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I don't think MCFA (which I assume means Masters of Culinary Fine Arts) and (C.G.) (which I can't guess at) are well known terms. Perhaps they should be parenthetically explained within the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.217.194 ( talk) 23:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the news release and citations needed tags, because it looks like the article has been pretty cleaned up in those regards. I think it does still need some non-primary sources however, so I left that tag there. Umbralcorax 02:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Where was he born and where did he grow up? Badagnani ( talk) 04:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Grew up in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. Badagnani ( talk) 10:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Is he from Swindon or Salisbury? Badagnani ( talk) 10:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Is he a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident? Badagnani ( talk) 04:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
The entire article is questionable as the main source is a primary source-- the Dinner Impossible site. This article in theSPTimes casts doubts on all of his claims. Dloh cierekim Deleted? 15:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The controversy section seems a bit .... controversial. Using words like dazzling don't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article.. Stepshep ( talk) 01:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. Stepshep ( talk) 03:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I just wandered onto this page for the first time, and can look at it (I hope) a bit impartially. What jumped out at me immediately was the extreme length of the section, largely due to the detailing of the elements of the controversy. I would suggest this could be edited down to a couple of sentences more in line with the other sections, and such minutia as HSN removing his merchandise, whose website has removed his biography or what appearances he is no longer making, etc. could be deleted altogether. As it is, what's here is so out of balance there's no appearance of fairness but rather an article that uses background history as a preface to detailing the Irvine scandal. Drmargi ( talk) 14:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I just carefully re-read the three articles referenced here. Not one of them even remotely "indicates one of the other major parties involved has a pretty dicey history herself," as was claimed above. MovieMadness ( talk) 15:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
MovieMadness, where are you getting the assertion that LaTorre actually invested anything in the restaurant? From the article: "Another woman, St. Petersburg socialite Wendy LaTorre, says Irvine owes her more than $100,000 for marketing and promotions and for helping him find property." To me, that means she did work, but did not invest anything. Am I missing something? Godofbiscuits ( talk) 15:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Also, considering the above discussion, can we change the word "disproving" to "disputing"? I think you're right that "suggesting" was too week, but I think the word proof is too strong. Godofbiscuits ( talk) 15:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
See http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/13/Food/Knight_moves.shtml 8 months ago
and http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/18/images/chefresume.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.93.40 ( talk) 02:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
The above were reverted by an editor sans comment. I'm always uncomfortable when writing by one editor is removed by another, and have restore them. These references are interesting as they paint a somewhat mixed picture of Irvine's exploits in Florida. Meanwhile, I see you guys have been busy with the article. I look forward to reading it carefully, and to commenting on a couple points above when I can do them justice. Drmargi ( talk) 04:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Robert Irving has been fired from Dinner Impossible following claims that he had embellished his resume. Though he will play the rest of the season, the network has stated that they would be looking for a replacement host. Please make relevant changes to the article as I do not know too much on the subject to do so. Thank You. http://www.wfsb.com/foodnews/15454213/detail.html Gryffon ( talk) 23:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I've got a source in New York telling me that The Food Network are thinking of cancelling Dinner: Impossible after the final shows air or turning the reigns over to Michael Symon of Iron Chef. The other is picking any chef from the Next Iron Chef series as a replacement. BigBoi29
I'm concerned about POV evident in several recent edits made to the article. Someone recently came in and cut a good bit of detail, including some important information, from the Food Network section of the article, yet the St. Petersburg section remains overly detailed, particularly now that is no longer the news of the moment. I would propose it is possible for POV to be reflected not only in the language used in the article, but in the decisions made regarding what it included/excluded, a common form of bias employed by the media. Drmargi ( talk) 17:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've now gone back and restored some of the more detailed discussion of his dismissal and the discussion of the status of the show. The overly draconian edits that were done seem to have resulted in the misunderstandings seen in the comments above and below this discussion point, as well as in a series of duplicative additions to the article. Hopefully the new edits will at lest help solve the problem. I have referred any editor wishing to make changes to this discussion. Drmargi ( talk) 18:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
GOB, I think you've got it covered nicely. The tenses are correct as posted. Past tense doesn't reflect the ongoing nature of events in the way the present progressive does, and would be inappropriate. Sorry Atlanta, but I still stand by my position that secondary fall-out from the article and FN investigation of Irvine's credential simply isn't important enough to include, and looks like the article is attempting to throw in every bit of negativity possible. A few pans sold on HSN is really pretty inconsequential to my mind, and the publisher is posturing (like Irvine is the first author ever to pad his vita), nothing more. Neither is of any consequence - what Food Network does is what's important. And frankly, I don't think we have a clue what Irvine would think about any of this, nor is it particularly relevant. Importance to him and importance to the article are two different kettles of fish. Drmargi 07:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so how long ago could it have happened to be to still be termed "recent?" To me, that's just not encycylopedic because I imagine someone reading it a year from now. No, Irvine might not be the first author to pad his resume, but it merited a mention for James Frey. Kobe Bryant's endorsement deals are mentioned in his article. Yes, I agree, that if someone has a plethora of things going on then something might not merit a mention, but the guy had a total of 4 things going and they've all been affected. Something just doesn't sit right with me on this and I get the feeling that there is some protection going on. Atlantabravz ( talk) 10:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
just today he was exposed as a fraud! someone please add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.143.201 ( talk) 00:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted two sets of edits today changing the description of Irvine on the show from present to past tense. Given Irvine will continue to appear on the show until at least July (based on the airdate for the Cherry Blossom Festival episode cited in the article) I would maintain the article should continue to refer to him in the present tense until such time as his last episode airs. Drmargi ( talk) 01:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA. The statement "Consequently, the show remains in production, with Irvine's team recently preparing the Japanese-themed dinner for Washington DC's "Pink Tie Day" celebrations, and a new episode, the seventh of the current series, is scheduled to air on March 12, 2008" is NOT encyclopedic in nature. Why is mention of a "Japanese-themed dinner for Washington DC's "Pink Tie Day" celebrations" relevant? Why mention "a new episode, the seventh of the current series, is scheduled to air on March 12, 2008" when on March 13 that info will be outdated? This most definitely is "inconsequential information." To be bold doesn't mean to tolerate crap. 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 13:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Even if there was no controversy attached to Irvine, there would be NOTHING relevant about the topic of the show he most recently taped. It's a bit of trivial fluff and simply is not encyclopedic, period. Your insistence on adding this detail suggests an inflexible approach to editing I don't see as in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia. 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 15:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow Drmargi, if "detail serves multiple functions," then why are you guys conveniently leaving out the details of the full response to his posing? I say again, he had 4 things going which is not the plethora you make it out to be (Food Network, Book deal with HarperCollins, HSN deal, and restaurant deal). The article details the restaurant and Food Network things falling through but conveniently ignores the fact that HSN completely disassociated themselves from him and his book is going to be edited for corrections and they might even sever that relationship, too. Just like, in your mind, mentioning the name of an episode whose filming happened 2 weeks ago serves a function, many of us think that ignoring these details is indicative of article-protection, but I am not sure if that is your motive. So what if it shifts the balance? Should we edit Charles Manson's article to give it a less negative balance? Irvine posed and now the referenced details are coming out. Instead of including significant details about what he's lost because of his posing, you choose to leave the name of the episode in there. That is selective and we may have to ask for mediation on this. Atlantabravz ( talk) 16:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to suggest a time-out at this point. I don't think we're getting anywhere, and the discussion is beginning to get too far over the line toward the personal, both in terms of rhetoric and in terms of how edits are being interpreted. Arguing the content versus the editor is a difficult distinction to maintain, and we're in a dangerous place at the moment. I'm concerned that whereas GOB and I are trying to argue in favor of how edits affect the article in terms of the overall, others are arguing by looking only at a specific edit's merits/demerits. Consequently, we're talking at cross-purposes, and I hope we can all agree to step back for a few days, let events run their course, and then see where they take us. -- Drmargi ( talk) 17:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Above, you commented that "if HarperCollins does anything significant, like cutting their ties or actually editing his book, that it probably should be reflected as well." Why then shouldn't the latest action taken by Food Network be noted? While I understand what you're saying re: the reason the show was pulled from the schedule, it's not likely either network executives or Irvine publicly will discuss the role they or he played in the decision. I think everyone involved wants all of this to disappear quietly. MovieMadness ( talk) 15:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Well here is the link I found from the Denver Post. They reprinted the SP Times article on March 4th, but now I can't find it in the SP Times now, either. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8443505 Atlantabravz ( talk) 17:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
DrMargi sent me the following message in response to my posting his middle initial, so now that I've found a good source I have re-posted it. I will respond publicly to his post to me on here after posting his: "I'm glad to see you moved the use of Robert Irvine's middle intial to the proper location. I'm guessing that was your comment on my talk page - can't be sure because it's unsigned. However, I've reverted again as the initial, which Irvine never uses, is unsourced. You've got a 1 in 26 shot at getting it right, but that's not sufficient. Far more interesting to a) wait until you have his full first name, and b) provide a source for the initial. As is, it's unreliable and just one more piece of trivia added to a hatchet-job article already overburdened with minutia that's dated and no longer relevant. (from Drmargi - the signature function doesn't seem to be working.)Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Atlantabravz"
I don't think I'm being uncivil at all. I have pointed out legitimate criticisms of your actions and you seem to be taking it personally. I suggest that you not threaten me with all-caps font when all I am doing is criticizing the way you revert edits without discussion. I moved our discussion onto here as you did on a previous discussion that was held before MovieMadness stepped in and edited the article back in mid-March after you suggested a timeout. I wasn't trying to "inflame" a situation, but trying to allow my response to you make some sense. After all, I wanted people to see that you say that Irvine "never uses" his middle initial, but he actually uses it quite a bit, including on his own company's website. You could do a web search and find all of the places he actually does use it, but instead you chose to do a revert to pull some sort of Wiki power trip on me. I called it a "mini edit war" because you didn't bother working things out or digging up proper information in the spirit of Wiki's "community project" mentality...rather, you just removed the stuff in question. I am also not sure how it "won't wash" that the article is from NPOV. All of the content is verifiable and a good chronology of what happened. Yes, I suppose the ones who like it the way it is have an agenda--the truth in encyclopedic and verifiable form. I guess if you are on the opposite side of our "agenda," then where does that leave you? Atlantabravz ( talk) 00:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The article looks pretty good right now. I am for inserting the item regarding "fittest guys" for Men's Fitness in 2007 once I (or someone else) can find a source. I would like to see a source for his hearing problem, but I think he wears the device for more than just hearing the director. I added an "After the Controversy" section to document anything else that he does to revive his career, but deleting the factual chronology of the controversy will do nothing except gloss over what happened. Atlantabravz ( talk) 20:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
It's going to be a moot point in a very short time period anyway, but to insist that Irvine is the *current* host of a program that is no longer using him in production when the article contains a cited reference that specifically says he was released from the show is a bit unbending. I am curious how you can say that clarifying his status as the host of seasons 1-4 in the opening paragraph qualifies as WP:CP, when the article says this with the citation in the text further down. SpikeJones ( talk) 13:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Symon's first episode premieres tomorrow night, on July 20. 2008 with the 5th season beginning in August. They have already filmed several of the episodes with Symon for season 5, and you can check www.tv.com to verify the titles of them. Food Network has also posted information about season 5's locations on the DI portion of their website. This information that is currently on the page as it is written does not go against WP:CP. I did read that section, and it states if there is significant planning, it will go off without a hitch, and is verifiable, then it is okay to add it. Therefore, it is okay to say that Irvine starred in the first 4 seasons since Symon takes over on television tomorrow night in his new role. Yeah, re-runs may be shown of Irvine, but for all intents and purposes, Symon is the current star, DrMargi. Atlantabravz ( talk) 00:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the edit made by User:LightningMan in regards to using Irvine's Food Network bio as a source. WP:SOURCES specifically states: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Food Network previously had a bio on their website that was littered with inaccuracies and embellishments, so they are not known for fact-checking or accuracy. There is nothing published by a third-party to suggest that they have verified the information in the current bio, so using it as a source for anything Irvine has claimed is suspect. I don't doubt that Irvine served in the Royal Navy or assisted the Naval Mess in the White House, but I would like to see those claims verified by someone other than Irvine himself or Food Network, both of which have failed miserably in presenting the truth about the man. Atlantabravz ( talk) 13:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
is needed. Belasted ( talk) 04:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Because it was taken by an Air Force photographer with that federal government license, that's the best I could get. I had to edit it down to only show him. There is really nothing out there with a free license on the guy. If you can find something better, by all means go for it. Atlantabravz ( talk) 15:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The controversy section regarding Chef Irvine's fall from grace and alleged shady dealings in St. Petersburg have long needed a good editing, particularly in light of Irvine's fairly speedy return to the Food Network, its reliance on one source (the St. Petersburg Times) for most of the account of the restaurant affair, and the lack of any legal outcomes resulting from the failure of the restaurant project. I believe that, as it stood, both WP:UNDUE (because of the excessive detail regarding the restaurant project) and WP:RS (due to the dependence upon one source), applied
I am currently undertaking a thorough editing of the section, and have made the following edits thus far:
I have also added a section that addresses Irvine's activities following the controversy, which is needed now he is back in the network's good graces with two new shows. In so doing, the section takes on some badly needed balance, and reads like a discussion appropriate to an encyclopedia, not a more sensational publication. Drmargi ( talk) 18:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Several folks have posted news that Robert Irvine is supposedly engaged to a so-called WWF Diva (whatever that is). The first edits were unsourced, and the recent one was from a wrestling website passing on a gossipy tweet. We have no information that he's divorced from his first wife, and the source for the engagement is far from reliable. It sounds like a giant hoax to me. Drmargi ( talk) 21:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Another rumor-ish edit, based on a gossipy note that Irvine and Kim were "spotted" somewhere in Florida, has been reverted. The editor did not source correctly, and added far more information than is actually in the piece he refers to in his edit summary. The piece claims Irvine and Kim are dating, but says nothing about the state of his marriage, and its reliability is questionable at best. Despite this, the editor stated he is divorced, a clearly unsourced statement. Drmargi ( talk) 16:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
He said in an interview yesterday that they are engaged, here is the url for the interview http://prestonandsteve.libsyn.com/daily-feed-05-03-11--1. I'm too dumb to figure out how to source it on the mainpage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.187.163 ( talk) 17:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
How is an interview with Irvine himself (even if it is a podcast), not a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.187.163 ( talk) 17:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey, so since they got married yesterday, is it still just a rumor? 184.100.177.77 ( talk) 04:44, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Do Irvine's restaurants belong in the "Early life and career" section? If so, it seems like restaurant openings and closings should both be listed. If not, neither belongs there. User:Drmargi keeps removing any mention of eat!'s closing with the comment "The restaurant is not a biographical detail," but leaving the fact of eat!'s opening. Can anybody explain the sense of this? -- Alexbook ( talk) 07:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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I don't think MCFA (which I assume means Masters of Culinary Fine Arts) and (C.G.) (which I can't guess at) are well known terms. Perhaps they should be parenthetically explained within the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.217.194 ( talk) 23:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the news release and citations needed tags, because it looks like the article has been pretty cleaned up in those regards. I think it does still need some non-primary sources however, so I left that tag there. Umbralcorax 02:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Where was he born and where did he grow up? Badagnani ( talk) 04:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Grew up in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. Badagnani ( talk) 10:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Is he from Swindon or Salisbury? Badagnani ( talk) 10:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Is he a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident? Badagnani ( talk) 04:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
The entire article is questionable as the main source is a primary source-- the Dinner Impossible site. This article in theSPTimes casts doubts on all of his claims. Dloh cierekim Deleted? 15:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The controversy section seems a bit .... controversial. Using words like dazzling don't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article.. Stepshep ( talk) 01:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. Stepshep ( talk) 03:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I just wandered onto this page for the first time, and can look at it (I hope) a bit impartially. What jumped out at me immediately was the extreme length of the section, largely due to the detailing of the elements of the controversy. I would suggest this could be edited down to a couple of sentences more in line with the other sections, and such minutia as HSN removing his merchandise, whose website has removed his biography or what appearances he is no longer making, etc. could be deleted altogether. As it is, what's here is so out of balance there's no appearance of fairness but rather an article that uses background history as a preface to detailing the Irvine scandal. Drmargi ( talk) 14:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I just carefully re-read the three articles referenced here. Not one of them even remotely "indicates one of the other major parties involved has a pretty dicey history herself," as was claimed above. MovieMadness ( talk) 15:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
MovieMadness, where are you getting the assertion that LaTorre actually invested anything in the restaurant? From the article: "Another woman, St. Petersburg socialite Wendy LaTorre, says Irvine owes her more than $100,000 for marketing and promotions and for helping him find property." To me, that means she did work, but did not invest anything. Am I missing something? Godofbiscuits ( talk) 15:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Also, considering the above discussion, can we change the word "disproving" to "disputing"? I think you're right that "suggesting" was too week, but I think the word proof is too strong. Godofbiscuits ( talk) 15:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
See http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/13/Food/Knight_moves.shtml 8 months ago
and http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/18/images/chefresume.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.93.40 ( talk) 02:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
The above were reverted by an editor sans comment. I'm always uncomfortable when writing by one editor is removed by another, and have restore them. These references are interesting as they paint a somewhat mixed picture of Irvine's exploits in Florida. Meanwhile, I see you guys have been busy with the article. I look forward to reading it carefully, and to commenting on a couple points above when I can do them justice. Drmargi ( talk) 04:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Robert Irving has been fired from Dinner Impossible following claims that he had embellished his resume. Though he will play the rest of the season, the network has stated that they would be looking for a replacement host. Please make relevant changes to the article as I do not know too much on the subject to do so. Thank You. http://www.wfsb.com/foodnews/15454213/detail.html Gryffon ( talk) 23:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I've got a source in New York telling me that The Food Network are thinking of cancelling Dinner: Impossible after the final shows air or turning the reigns over to Michael Symon of Iron Chef. The other is picking any chef from the Next Iron Chef series as a replacement. BigBoi29
I'm concerned about POV evident in several recent edits made to the article. Someone recently came in and cut a good bit of detail, including some important information, from the Food Network section of the article, yet the St. Petersburg section remains overly detailed, particularly now that is no longer the news of the moment. I would propose it is possible for POV to be reflected not only in the language used in the article, but in the decisions made regarding what it included/excluded, a common form of bias employed by the media. Drmargi ( talk) 17:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've now gone back and restored some of the more detailed discussion of his dismissal and the discussion of the status of the show. The overly draconian edits that were done seem to have resulted in the misunderstandings seen in the comments above and below this discussion point, as well as in a series of duplicative additions to the article. Hopefully the new edits will at lest help solve the problem. I have referred any editor wishing to make changes to this discussion. Drmargi ( talk) 18:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
GOB, I think you've got it covered nicely. The tenses are correct as posted. Past tense doesn't reflect the ongoing nature of events in the way the present progressive does, and would be inappropriate. Sorry Atlanta, but I still stand by my position that secondary fall-out from the article and FN investigation of Irvine's credential simply isn't important enough to include, and looks like the article is attempting to throw in every bit of negativity possible. A few pans sold on HSN is really pretty inconsequential to my mind, and the publisher is posturing (like Irvine is the first author ever to pad his vita), nothing more. Neither is of any consequence - what Food Network does is what's important. And frankly, I don't think we have a clue what Irvine would think about any of this, nor is it particularly relevant. Importance to him and importance to the article are two different kettles of fish. Drmargi 07:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so how long ago could it have happened to be to still be termed "recent?" To me, that's just not encycylopedic because I imagine someone reading it a year from now. No, Irvine might not be the first author to pad his resume, but it merited a mention for James Frey. Kobe Bryant's endorsement deals are mentioned in his article. Yes, I agree, that if someone has a plethora of things going on then something might not merit a mention, but the guy had a total of 4 things going and they've all been affected. Something just doesn't sit right with me on this and I get the feeling that there is some protection going on. Atlantabravz ( talk) 10:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
just today he was exposed as a fraud! someone please add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.143.201 ( talk) 00:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted two sets of edits today changing the description of Irvine on the show from present to past tense. Given Irvine will continue to appear on the show until at least July (based on the airdate for the Cherry Blossom Festival episode cited in the article) I would maintain the article should continue to refer to him in the present tense until such time as his last episode airs. Drmargi ( talk) 01:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA. The statement "Consequently, the show remains in production, with Irvine's team recently preparing the Japanese-themed dinner for Washington DC's "Pink Tie Day" celebrations, and a new episode, the seventh of the current series, is scheduled to air on March 12, 2008" is NOT encyclopedic in nature. Why is mention of a "Japanese-themed dinner for Washington DC's "Pink Tie Day" celebrations" relevant? Why mention "a new episode, the seventh of the current series, is scheduled to air on March 12, 2008" when on March 13 that info will be outdated? This most definitely is "inconsequential information." To be bold doesn't mean to tolerate crap. 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 13:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Even if there was no controversy attached to Irvine, there would be NOTHING relevant about the topic of the show he most recently taped. It's a bit of trivial fluff and simply is not encyclopedic, period. Your insistence on adding this detail suggests an inflexible approach to editing I don't see as in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia. 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 15:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow Drmargi, if "detail serves multiple functions," then why are you guys conveniently leaving out the details of the full response to his posing? I say again, he had 4 things going which is not the plethora you make it out to be (Food Network, Book deal with HarperCollins, HSN deal, and restaurant deal). The article details the restaurant and Food Network things falling through but conveniently ignores the fact that HSN completely disassociated themselves from him and his book is going to be edited for corrections and they might even sever that relationship, too. Just like, in your mind, mentioning the name of an episode whose filming happened 2 weeks ago serves a function, many of us think that ignoring these details is indicative of article-protection, but I am not sure if that is your motive. So what if it shifts the balance? Should we edit Charles Manson's article to give it a less negative balance? Irvine posed and now the referenced details are coming out. Instead of including significant details about what he's lost because of his posing, you choose to leave the name of the episode in there. That is selective and we may have to ask for mediation on this. Atlantabravz ( talk) 16:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to suggest a time-out at this point. I don't think we're getting anywhere, and the discussion is beginning to get too far over the line toward the personal, both in terms of rhetoric and in terms of how edits are being interpreted. Arguing the content versus the editor is a difficult distinction to maintain, and we're in a dangerous place at the moment. I'm concerned that whereas GOB and I are trying to argue in favor of how edits affect the article in terms of the overall, others are arguing by looking only at a specific edit's merits/demerits. Consequently, we're talking at cross-purposes, and I hope we can all agree to step back for a few days, let events run their course, and then see where they take us. -- Drmargi ( talk) 17:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Above, you commented that "if HarperCollins does anything significant, like cutting their ties or actually editing his book, that it probably should be reflected as well." Why then shouldn't the latest action taken by Food Network be noted? While I understand what you're saying re: the reason the show was pulled from the schedule, it's not likely either network executives or Irvine publicly will discuss the role they or he played in the decision. I think everyone involved wants all of this to disappear quietly. MovieMadness ( talk) 15:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Well here is the link I found from the Denver Post. They reprinted the SP Times article on March 4th, but now I can't find it in the SP Times now, either. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8443505 Atlantabravz ( talk) 17:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
DrMargi sent me the following message in response to my posting his middle initial, so now that I've found a good source I have re-posted it. I will respond publicly to his post to me on here after posting his: "I'm glad to see you moved the use of Robert Irvine's middle intial to the proper location. I'm guessing that was your comment on my talk page - can't be sure because it's unsigned. However, I've reverted again as the initial, which Irvine never uses, is unsourced. You've got a 1 in 26 shot at getting it right, but that's not sufficient. Far more interesting to a) wait until you have his full first name, and b) provide a source for the initial. As is, it's unreliable and just one more piece of trivia added to a hatchet-job article already overburdened with minutia that's dated and no longer relevant. (from Drmargi - the signature function doesn't seem to be working.)Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Atlantabravz"
I don't think I'm being uncivil at all. I have pointed out legitimate criticisms of your actions and you seem to be taking it personally. I suggest that you not threaten me with all-caps font when all I am doing is criticizing the way you revert edits without discussion. I moved our discussion onto here as you did on a previous discussion that was held before MovieMadness stepped in and edited the article back in mid-March after you suggested a timeout. I wasn't trying to "inflame" a situation, but trying to allow my response to you make some sense. After all, I wanted people to see that you say that Irvine "never uses" his middle initial, but he actually uses it quite a bit, including on his own company's website. You could do a web search and find all of the places he actually does use it, but instead you chose to do a revert to pull some sort of Wiki power trip on me. I called it a "mini edit war" because you didn't bother working things out or digging up proper information in the spirit of Wiki's "community project" mentality...rather, you just removed the stuff in question. I am also not sure how it "won't wash" that the article is from NPOV. All of the content is verifiable and a good chronology of what happened. Yes, I suppose the ones who like it the way it is have an agenda--the truth in encyclopedic and verifiable form. I guess if you are on the opposite side of our "agenda," then where does that leave you? Atlantabravz ( talk) 00:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The article looks pretty good right now. I am for inserting the item regarding "fittest guys" for Men's Fitness in 2007 once I (or someone else) can find a source. I would like to see a source for his hearing problem, but I think he wears the device for more than just hearing the director. I added an "After the Controversy" section to document anything else that he does to revive his career, but deleting the factual chronology of the controversy will do nothing except gloss over what happened. Atlantabravz ( talk) 20:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
It's going to be a moot point in a very short time period anyway, but to insist that Irvine is the *current* host of a program that is no longer using him in production when the article contains a cited reference that specifically says he was released from the show is a bit unbending. I am curious how you can say that clarifying his status as the host of seasons 1-4 in the opening paragraph qualifies as WP:CP, when the article says this with the citation in the text further down. SpikeJones ( talk) 13:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Symon's first episode premieres tomorrow night, on July 20. 2008 with the 5th season beginning in August. They have already filmed several of the episodes with Symon for season 5, and you can check www.tv.com to verify the titles of them. Food Network has also posted information about season 5's locations on the DI portion of their website. This information that is currently on the page as it is written does not go against WP:CP. I did read that section, and it states if there is significant planning, it will go off without a hitch, and is verifiable, then it is okay to add it. Therefore, it is okay to say that Irvine starred in the first 4 seasons since Symon takes over on television tomorrow night in his new role. Yeah, re-runs may be shown of Irvine, but for all intents and purposes, Symon is the current star, DrMargi. Atlantabravz ( talk) 00:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the edit made by User:LightningMan in regards to using Irvine's Food Network bio as a source. WP:SOURCES specifically states: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Food Network previously had a bio on their website that was littered with inaccuracies and embellishments, so they are not known for fact-checking or accuracy. There is nothing published by a third-party to suggest that they have verified the information in the current bio, so using it as a source for anything Irvine has claimed is suspect. I don't doubt that Irvine served in the Royal Navy or assisted the Naval Mess in the White House, but I would like to see those claims verified by someone other than Irvine himself or Food Network, both of which have failed miserably in presenting the truth about the man. Atlantabravz ( talk) 13:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
is needed. Belasted ( talk) 04:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Because it was taken by an Air Force photographer with that federal government license, that's the best I could get. I had to edit it down to only show him. There is really nothing out there with a free license on the guy. If you can find something better, by all means go for it. Atlantabravz ( talk) 15:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The controversy section regarding Chef Irvine's fall from grace and alleged shady dealings in St. Petersburg have long needed a good editing, particularly in light of Irvine's fairly speedy return to the Food Network, its reliance on one source (the St. Petersburg Times) for most of the account of the restaurant affair, and the lack of any legal outcomes resulting from the failure of the restaurant project. I believe that, as it stood, both WP:UNDUE (because of the excessive detail regarding the restaurant project) and WP:RS (due to the dependence upon one source), applied
I am currently undertaking a thorough editing of the section, and have made the following edits thus far:
I have also added a section that addresses Irvine's activities following the controversy, which is needed now he is back in the network's good graces with two new shows. In so doing, the section takes on some badly needed balance, and reads like a discussion appropriate to an encyclopedia, not a more sensational publication. Drmargi ( talk) 18:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Several folks have posted news that Robert Irvine is supposedly engaged to a so-called WWF Diva (whatever that is). The first edits were unsourced, and the recent one was from a wrestling website passing on a gossipy tweet. We have no information that he's divorced from his first wife, and the source for the engagement is far from reliable. It sounds like a giant hoax to me. Drmargi ( talk) 21:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Another rumor-ish edit, based on a gossipy note that Irvine and Kim were "spotted" somewhere in Florida, has been reverted. The editor did not source correctly, and added far more information than is actually in the piece he refers to in his edit summary. The piece claims Irvine and Kim are dating, but says nothing about the state of his marriage, and its reliability is questionable at best. Despite this, the editor stated he is divorced, a clearly unsourced statement. Drmargi ( talk) 16:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
He said in an interview yesterday that they are engaged, here is the url for the interview http://prestonandsteve.libsyn.com/daily-feed-05-03-11--1. I'm too dumb to figure out how to source it on the mainpage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.187.163 ( talk) 17:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
How is an interview with Irvine himself (even if it is a podcast), not a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.151.187.163 ( talk) 17:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey, so since they got married yesterday, is it still just a rumor? 184.100.177.77 ( talk) 04:44, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Do Irvine's restaurants belong in the "Early life and career" section? If so, it seems like restaurant openings and closings should both be listed. If not, neither belongs there. User:Drmargi keeps removing any mention of eat!'s closing with the comment "The restaurant is not a biographical detail," but leaving the fact of eat!'s opening. Can anybody explain the sense of this? -- Alexbook ( talk) 07:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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To add to this article: Irvine's net worth. He has stated that just one of his businesses, if it sold today, would sell for half a billion U.S. dollars. 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 00:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)