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A fact from Robert Burgess (rugby union) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 January 2016 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that 100 years ago, Robert Burgess was killed after being knocked off his bike by a
shell?
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The result of the move request was: No move. The consensus is that the subject's middle name is not commonly enough used to serve as disambiguation.
Cúchullaint/
c15:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Take out "Wikipedia" from results,
Jenks and
Funky Canute, so you get 200+ results. Also, the results include some bank manager and someone else who attended the University of Virginia in 1931 (more than fifteen years after this rugby guy died). You haven't thoroughly search this person yet.
George Ho (
talk)
19:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Actually, yes I have, thanks. He's mentioned in a few books but he hasn't been written about thoroughly because he wasn't one of the leading players of the time. To find out more about him, you have to trawl the newspaper archives and other harder to research sources. I'm conducting a substantial project about
international rugby players killed in WWI and I have a pretty good understanding of this whole area.
FunkyCanute (
talk)
20:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)reply
George, even with weeding out other results, surely you would have to agree the current format gets a lot more hits than the 7 your proposed title gets?
Jenks24 (
talk)
02:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Right now, I can't get past the fourth page of results. Google must have skimmed down results that would not be helpful. Also, most of hits do not mention rugby player, reducing to ten or less(?) sources.
George Ho (
talk)
07:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Still sounds to me like there are more sources that don't use his middle name. Noting also that
ESPNscrum, which I assume is a reliable source because
ESPNcricinfo is very good, uses
Robert Burgess as its title and then gives his full name as detail along dob, etc, which seems a good guidance for how we should handle it. Perhaps
FunkyCanute could tell us how Burgess is referred to in Into Touch: Rugby Internationals Killed in the Great War, which sourced most of the article?
Jenks24 (
talk)
00:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)reply
ESPNScrum is an excellent source. Having done some work with the England 2015 marketing team, I can confirm that it used it for quick access to data about players and teams. McCrery, Into Touch, lists all the players by their full names, including middle names, which is not particularly helpful. ESPN is much better. Take, for instance
Jack Verge and see
Jack Verge at
ESPNscrum By all means, create
Robert Balderston Burgess and point it to this article.
FunkyCanute (
talk)
14:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Robert Burgess (rugby union) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 January 2016 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that 100 years ago, Robert Burgess was killed after being knocked off his bike by a
shell?
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No move. The consensus is that the subject's middle name is not commonly enough used to serve as disambiguation.
Cúchullaint/
c15:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Take out "Wikipedia" from results,
Jenks and
Funky Canute, so you get 200+ results. Also, the results include some bank manager and someone else who attended the University of Virginia in 1931 (more than fifteen years after this rugby guy died). You haven't thoroughly search this person yet.
George Ho (
talk)
19:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Actually, yes I have, thanks. He's mentioned in a few books but he hasn't been written about thoroughly because he wasn't one of the leading players of the time. To find out more about him, you have to trawl the newspaper archives and other harder to research sources. I'm conducting a substantial project about
international rugby players killed in WWI and I have a pretty good understanding of this whole area.
FunkyCanute (
talk)
20:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)reply
George, even with weeding out other results, surely you would have to agree the current format gets a lot more hits than the 7 your proposed title gets?
Jenks24 (
talk)
02:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Right now, I can't get past the fourth page of results. Google must have skimmed down results that would not be helpful. Also, most of hits do not mention rugby player, reducing to ten or less(?) sources.
George Ho (
talk)
07:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Still sounds to me like there are more sources that don't use his middle name. Noting also that
ESPNscrum, which I assume is a reliable source because
ESPNcricinfo is very good, uses
Robert Burgess as its title and then gives his full name as detail along dob, etc, which seems a good guidance for how we should handle it. Perhaps
FunkyCanute could tell us how Burgess is referred to in Into Touch: Rugby Internationals Killed in the Great War, which sourced most of the article?
Jenks24 (
talk)
00:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)reply
ESPNScrum is an excellent source. Having done some work with the England 2015 marketing team, I can confirm that it used it for quick access to data about players and teams. McCrery, Into Touch, lists all the players by their full names, including middle names, which is not particularly helpful. ESPN is much better. Take, for instance
Jack Verge and see
Jack Verge at
ESPNscrum By all means, create
Robert Balderston Burgess and point it to this article.
FunkyCanute (
talk)
14:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.