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Not tech saavy and first time on talk pages, so may be wrong place to voice my concern regarding what kind of published studies belong in the main body of encyclopedia articles. My working assumption is encylopedias should aim to be introductory; they shouldn't highlight unestablished experimental findings/correlations
This wiki article presents a paragraph about a single unreplicated(?) and correlative study about bumper stickers and who's more "prone" to road rage.
Mention of the study seems more appropriate in a footnote or external link given the vacuity of a single study in general (even if, statistically speaking, most published results weren't false).
Prefaces like the phrase "In one study...." can be misleading by implying many examples exist if they don't. This could be easily reworded. The paragraph seemed as disingenuous as would be a statement like, say, "The U.S. national flag ranges in colors from red to blue and even features colors like white, etc."
The alleged correlation may become firmly established by independent replication and testing under various conditions. Unlikely to be attempted as such an effort would be, suppose it were to occurand firmly establish the correlation in question. Would this correlation—let alone the results of a single study involved, no matter the journal's prestige—be relevant here or warrant mention in the main body of this encyclopedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:151F:C4DC:D5EB:9D19:170A:52B5 ( talk) 08:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Dr.David Lewis came up with the phrase "Road rage" and he's not from the U.S. . The definition of "Road rage" remains the same regardless of what part of the world you find yourself. This whole article needs to be rewritten with facts. DaWikiman ( talk) 08:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
its very real......
Examples:
What do others think? Signor Eclectic 21:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any problems with this article in terms of neutrality. Society definitely tolerates road rage to a certain extent, as anyone behaving in such a manner in any other environment (eg. on the sidewalk, in a restaurant), would be dealt with more harshly by passersby or the police. 70.30.127.100 02:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The article looks neutral to me in the respect you are talking about. It does have one serious shortfalling - its very US orientated. It makes no reference to authorities or statistics from anywhere else. I'm not complaining about cultural imperialism here - its just that the way people behave in specific situations (ie: on the bus, in a shop, behind the wheel) differs around the world and this should be addressed in the article.-- ChrisJMoor 01:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
In John Stossel's new book, Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity, he argues on page 18 that the claim that "roage rage" is rising is a myth. He writes:
While there was a sudden rash of freeway shootings in L.A. in the early 1980s, it has since normalized, and a correlation with increased "road rage" has never been established. -- Serge 05:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Are there statistics or reports concerning increase in occurence or severity of RR from Highway Department, DOT, Police ...? -- YellowLeftHand 21:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The stats might not be very reliable - if the press made the term at some point to describe violent crime in a specific context, then the police might add it to their definitions list, plus victims would report it more often as 'road rage' (as opposed to more general violent/intimidating behavior). Given this, there is some evidence to suggest that only the reporting rate and not the incidence rate has increased. Mind you - it probably has increased over time. Simply because the population of drivers has increased, plus the roads have got a fair bit busier, especially in urban areas, leading to the stressors that induce the behavior.-- ChrisJMoor 01:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This conversation is well and good and should keep going; meanwile, the 'dispute' marking on the article itself is sort of confusing, since the article no longer says anything about road rage increasing since the 1970s. So I'm removing it. -- Masamage 19:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Schwule Mädchen! Everybody can step up the gas, it's easy you pussies!!! But not everyone can step up like Lance & Co. does. -- 193.95.205.182 20:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
This feels like it has NPOV problems or something, if only because of the inflamatory language, all caps sections, vigorous use of italics, etc. Examples:
"It is also important to note that 'road rage', or the inability to control oneself on the road, is merely a symptom of an overlying cause of not being able to control one's self and emotions; it is not the physical automobile itself that brings-out the aggressive nature of the person, it is the person themself whom, regardless of the setting, fails to control their temper." -- Uh, well, (a) who sez, (b) why important, and (c) why italics?
"rude gestures (such as the finger in an OFFENSIVE not DEFENSIVE manner)" -- Eh, what? I've heard of defensive driving, but not defensive flipping off. -- Paultopia 16:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
It's not wholly clear to me; is the term road rage used
Also, it's not just motor vehicles, cyclists can get road rage too M0ffx 12:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Along with other bizarre claims, there were TWO claims that driving in the grassy median to scare (or, rather, "terrify") everyone is common - not to mention the claims that both 'speeding' and 'driving the speed limit' are road rage, and let's not forget the vicious rolling clothesline. I've cleaned some up, but this is still listcruft — Random832 16:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's some diffs where material was added to the list that actually survived [1] [2] [3] — Random832 16:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
"Delicious Red Skittles"?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.139.232.17 ( talk) 20:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
[4] - some new stuff, and reintroduction of some old stuff. Honestly, it's almost too bad we don't have BJAODN anymore. — Random832 21:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we should find references for all the existing entries - at least one, even if it seems obvious; that really helped discourage people from adding random people to the notable alumni list for North Central High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) — Random832 21:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I've put all the nonsense entries (seeing them all at once, it's quite an impressive list) at User:Random832/BJAODN_-_Road_Rage. — Random832 15:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I've edited the list some, the "preventing someone from merging" one covers the "convoy" one from the old list that I wasn't all that comfortable about losing, and the new "generally aggressive driving" one covers the one about repetitively braking and accelerating without being overly specific about a dubious exact type. — Random832 18:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The IP 74.131.80.146 has twice added information which states that pressing a pedestrian pushbutton in order to activate a signal is an act of road rage. Firstly, I'm not quite sure how this qualifies as road rage. Consider the following:
Now to put on my traffic engineering hat...
Any other thoughts on whether or not this should be included? Technical feasibility aside (to which I'll concede that it is technically feasible, albeit generally unlikely), I'd say the bigger issue is the sheer feasibility of such an act occurring as a part of road rage. Is there a scenario that I am not thinking of? Cheers! -- Bossi ( talk • gallery • contrib) 03:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
As i see it, this section is used as a platform to promote websites with forums on road rage. These sites should not be in the main boy of the article and should be in the links section.
Giving them undue prominence basically amounts to advertising.
Or, to keep the websites in the body of the article, might I suggest that a sentence explaining their relevance is included, such as 'due to concern about road rage and poplar media coverage, many websites have been created to act as a forum for the victims of aggressive driving and road rage.' or something like that. In this case, I also feel that a full listing of the sites features should not be included in the body of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.125.228 ( talk) 16:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
"The cities with the most courteous drivers (least road rage) are Minneapolis, Nashville, St. Louis, Seattle, and Atlanta. In 2009, New York, Dallas/Fort Worth, Detroit, Atlanta and Minneapolis/St. Paul were rated the top five "Road Rage Capitals" of the United States." Either these two sentences contradict one another, or Minneapolis and St. Paul are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Joking aside, it's a contradiction: Even without the Twin Cities, there's no way Atlanta can make both lists. -- JeffBillman ( talk) 01:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Came here to point this out
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Currently on this page, 2007 was the last update on rankings, according to the text. This has changed significantly since, to the extent that the "Most courteous" cities are now the "least courteous" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.31.144 ( talk) 02:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just removed the paragraph on road rage in NZ. It had no references and was highly editorialised towards the view that there are no charges laid against those to conduct road rage in NZ. While there may not be specific road rage offences - a quick search shows people are charged with other offences (assault, driving offences etc) as a result of road rage incidents, so the paragraph is not at all accurate. Clarke43 ( talk) 22:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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Not tech saavy and first time on talk pages, so may be wrong place to voice my concern regarding what kind of published studies belong in the main body of encyclopedia articles. My working assumption is encylopedias should aim to be introductory; they shouldn't highlight unestablished experimental findings/correlations
This wiki article presents a paragraph about a single unreplicated(?) and correlative study about bumper stickers and who's more "prone" to road rage.
Mention of the study seems more appropriate in a footnote or external link given the vacuity of a single study in general (even if, statistically speaking, most published results weren't false).
Prefaces like the phrase "In one study...." can be misleading by implying many examples exist if they don't. This could be easily reworded. The paragraph seemed as disingenuous as would be a statement like, say, "The U.S. national flag ranges in colors from red to blue and even features colors like white, etc."
The alleged correlation may become firmly established by independent replication and testing under various conditions. Unlikely to be attempted as such an effort would be, suppose it were to occurand firmly establish the correlation in question. Would this correlation—let alone the results of a single study involved, no matter the journal's prestige—be relevant here or warrant mention in the main body of this encyclopedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:151F:C4DC:D5EB:9D19:170A:52B5 ( talk) 08:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Dr.David Lewis came up with the phrase "Road rage" and he's not from the U.S. . The definition of "Road rage" remains the same regardless of what part of the world you find yourself. This whole article needs to be rewritten with facts. DaWikiman ( talk) 08:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
its very real......
Examples:
What do others think? Signor Eclectic 21:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any problems with this article in terms of neutrality. Society definitely tolerates road rage to a certain extent, as anyone behaving in such a manner in any other environment (eg. on the sidewalk, in a restaurant), would be dealt with more harshly by passersby or the police. 70.30.127.100 02:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The article looks neutral to me in the respect you are talking about. It does have one serious shortfalling - its very US orientated. It makes no reference to authorities or statistics from anywhere else. I'm not complaining about cultural imperialism here - its just that the way people behave in specific situations (ie: on the bus, in a shop, behind the wheel) differs around the world and this should be addressed in the article.-- ChrisJMoor 01:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
In John Stossel's new book, Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity, he argues on page 18 that the claim that "roage rage" is rising is a myth. He writes:
While there was a sudden rash of freeway shootings in L.A. in the early 1980s, it has since normalized, and a correlation with increased "road rage" has never been established. -- Serge 05:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Are there statistics or reports concerning increase in occurence or severity of RR from Highway Department, DOT, Police ...? -- YellowLeftHand 21:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The stats might not be very reliable - if the press made the term at some point to describe violent crime in a specific context, then the police might add it to their definitions list, plus victims would report it more often as 'road rage' (as opposed to more general violent/intimidating behavior). Given this, there is some evidence to suggest that only the reporting rate and not the incidence rate has increased. Mind you - it probably has increased over time. Simply because the population of drivers has increased, plus the roads have got a fair bit busier, especially in urban areas, leading to the stressors that induce the behavior.-- ChrisJMoor 01:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This conversation is well and good and should keep going; meanwile, the 'dispute' marking on the article itself is sort of confusing, since the article no longer says anything about road rage increasing since the 1970s. So I'm removing it. -- Masamage 19:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Schwule Mädchen! Everybody can step up the gas, it's easy you pussies!!! But not everyone can step up like Lance & Co. does. -- 193.95.205.182 20:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
This feels like it has NPOV problems or something, if only because of the inflamatory language, all caps sections, vigorous use of italics, etc. Examples:
"It is also important to note that 'road rage', or the inability to control oneself on the road, is merely a symptom of an overlying cause of not being able to control one's self and emotions; it is not the physical automobile itself that brings-out the aggressive nature of the person, it is the person themself whom, regardless of the setting, fails to control their temper." -- Uh, well, (a) who sez, (b) why important, and (c) why italics?
"rude gestures (such as the finger in an OFFENSIVE not DEFENSIVE manner)" -- Eh, what? I've heard of defensive driving, but not defensive flipping off. -- Paultopia 16:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
It's not wholly clear to me; is the term road rage used
Also, it's not just motor vehicles, cyclists can get road rage too M0ffx 12:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Along with other bizarre claims, there were TWO claims that driving in the grassy median to scare (or, rather, "terrify") everyone is common - not to mention the claims that both 'speeding' and 'driving the speed limit' are road rage, and let's not forget the vicious rolling clothesline. I've cleaned some up, but this is still listcruft — Random832 16:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's some diffs where material was added to the list that actually survived [1] [2] [3] — Random832 16:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
"Delicious Red Skittles"?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.139.232.17 ( talk) 20:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
[4] - some new stuff, and reintroduction of some old stuff. Honestly, it's almost too bad we don't have BJAODN anymore. — Random832 21:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we should find references for all the existing entries - at least one, even if it seems obvious; that really helped discourage people from adding random people to the notable alumni list for North Central High School (Indianapolis, Indiana) — Random832 21:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I've put all the nonsense entries (seeing them all at once, it's quite an impressive list) at User:Random832/BJAODN_-_Road_Rage. — Random832 15:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I've edited the list some, the "preventing someone from merging" one covers the "convoy" one from the old list that I wasn't all that comfortable about losing, and the new "generally aggressive driving" one covers the one about repetitively braking and accelerating without being overly specific about a dubious exact type. — Random832 18:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The IP 74.131.80.146 has twice added information which states that pressing a pedestrian pushbutton in order to activate a signal is an act of road rage. Firstly, I'm not quite sure how this qualifies as road rage. Consider the following:
Now to put on my traffic engineering hat...
Any other thoughts on whether or not this should be included? Technical feasibility aside (to which I'll concede that it is technically feasible, albeit generally unlikely), I'd say the bigger issue is the sheer feasibility of such an act occurring as a part of road rage. Is there a scenario that I am not thinking of? Cheers! -- Bossi ( talk • gallery • contrib) 03:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
As i see it, this section is used as a platform to promote websites with forums on road rage. These sites should not be in the main boy of the article and should be in the links section.
Giving them undue prominence basically amounts to advertising.
Or, to keep the websites in the body of the article, might I suggest that a sentence explaining their relevance is included, such as 'due to concern about road rage and poplar media coverage, many websites have been created to act as a forum for the victims of aggressive driving and road rage.' or something like that. In this case, I also feel that a full listing of the sites features should not be included in the body of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.125.228 ( talk) 16:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
"The cities with the most courteous drivers (least road rage) are Minneapolis, Nashville, St. Louis, Seattle, and Atlanta. In 2009, New York, Dallas/Fort Worth, Detroit, Atlanta and Minneapolis/St. Paul were rated the top five "Road Rage Capitals" of the United States." Either these two sentences contradict one another, or Minneapolis and St. Paul are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Joking aside, it's a contradiction: Even without the Twin Cities, there's no way Atlanta can make both lists. -- JeffBillman ( talk) 01:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Came here to point this out
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Currently on this page, 2007 was the last update on rankings, according to the text. This has changed significantly since, to the extent that the "Most courteous" cities are now the "least courteous" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.31.144 ( talk) 02:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just removed the paragraph on road rage in NZ. It had no references and was highly editorialised towards the view that there are no charges laid against those to conduct road rage in NZ. While there may not be specific road rage offences - a quick search shows people are charged with other offences (assault, driving offences etc) as a result of road rage incidents, so the paragraph is not at all accurate. Clarke43 ( talk) 22:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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I question if subject section is appropriate for this article which should be clearly focused on motorists on public roads rather than locomotive drivers on railways, pilots of aircraft, or boaters on the high seas. Thewellman ( talk) 03:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)