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(Deleted old talk mostly concerned with the naming of the article - "River Avon" or "Avon River" -- rbrwr)
I think this disambiguation page is an excellent step forward. However, I'm a bit perplexed by the names you've chosen for the individual articles, 195.149.37.147 Renata. As far as I can tell your "Gloucestershire" Avon is never entirely in Gloucs, though it does form the border of Gloucs for a while. It is mainly in Warks and Worcs. Your "Somerset" Avon is never in the current administrative county of Somerset, though it does run through ceremonial Somerset for a while in the Bath area, and forms the boundary of ceremonial Somerset north of Bristol. It is in Wilts more than in any other county. --
rbrwr
I'm guilty of the disamb page and naming, not 195.... Which names would you suggest instead? Renata 08:36 Nov 26, 2002 (UTC)
Great, that seems to be a good solution. Will you change the links too? Renata 22:11 Nov 26, 2002 (UTC)
The etymological source of the Rivers Avon is the Proto-Celtic *abonā, not the goddess Abnona. Abnona's name could plausibly be derived from *abonā, however. Dewrad 16:50, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
Its wrong to describe the origin of "avon" as being Welsh, which only formed after about AD600. It should probably be Brittonic or British. Adresia 19:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
"Variants of Welsh were spoken all across England"? Even ignoring questionable use of the term 'Welsh', if this were true how would you explain the absence of Avons in Eastern England? One very good explanation would be the view of Oppenheimer and others that 'English' is a much older indigenous language than normally suggested, and not a post-Roman import. Pterre ( talk) 22:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the use of "Welsh" is unacceptable; and it must be added that Brythonic languages were also spoken in Scotland. Scribe ( talk) 23:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you're applying to rule too strictly. It's generally acceptable for a disambiguation to contain a roughly sentence-long discription of what's there. Including a slightly longer sentence then is done everywhere else seems warranted when it's a redlink. If you wrote the article behind it then I would have no problems with it being much shorter. — Felix the Cassowary 20:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Pldms yes WP:DABDIC says "can be appropriate" but there's several reasons why this isn't good here IMHO per DABDIC "otherwise..Wikt" and "...not interlanguage dictionary" - we have wikt links already that cover this, and it's interlanguage. I personally consider such dict defs hard to justify generally as our general principle is to source content which cannot be done on a dab. I see DABDIC as slightly old fashioned, and will take that up at the dab project. Widefox; talk 22:47, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
(archaic) Alternative form of aven (“river”). We also have a Welsh dab entry detailing an Anglicisation (now in the See also). Is this any different to dabs like Thames (disambiguation) which has similar etymology in the wikt:Thames but nothing in the lede?
otherwise..Wiktand
...not interlanguage dictionary. Fundamental issues WP:5P
It is not a dictionaryand policy (not guideline like WP:MOSDAB) WP:V .
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(Deleted old talk mostly concerned with the naming of the article - "River Avon" or "Avon River" -- rbrwr)
I think this disambiguation page is an excellent step forward. However, I'm a bit perplexed by the names you've chosen for the individual articles, 195.149.37.147 Renata. As far as I can tell your "Gloucestershire" Avon is never entirely in Gloucs, though it does form the border of Gloucs for a while. It is mainly in Warks and Worcs. Your "Somerset" Avon is never in the current administrative county of Somerset, though it does run through ceremonial Somerset for a while in the Bath area, and forms the boundary of ceremonial Somerset north of Bristol. It is in Wilts more than in any other county. --
rbrwr
I'm guilty of the disamb page and naming, not 195.... Which names would you suggest instead? Renata 08:36 Nov 26, 2002 (UTC)
Great, that seems to be a good solution. Will you change the links too? Renata 22:11 Nov 26, 2002 (UTC)
The etymological source of the Rivers Avon is the Proto-Celtic *abonā, not the goddess Abnona. Abnona's name could plausibly be derived from *abonā, however. Dewrad 16:50, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
Its wrong to describe the origin of "avon" as being Welsh, which only formed after about AD600. It should probably be Brittonic or British. Adresia 19:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
"Variants of Welsh were spoken all across England"? Even ignoring questionable use of the term 'Welsh', if this were true how would you explain the absence of Avons in Eastern England? One very good explanation would be the view of Oppenheimer and others that 'English' is a much older indigenous language than normally suggested, and not a post-Roman import. Pterre ( talk) 22:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the use of "Welsh" is unacceptable; and it must be added that Brythonic languages were also spoken in Scotland. Scribe ( talk) 23:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you're applying to rule too strictly. It's generally acceptable for a disambiguation to contain a roughly sentence-long discription of what's there. Including a slightly longer sentence then is done everywhere else seems warranted when it's a redlink. If you wrote the article behind it then I would have no problems with it being much shorter. — Felix the Cassowary 20:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Pldms yes WP:DABDIC says "can be appropriate" but there's several reasons why this isn't good here IMHO per DABDIC "otherwise..Wikt" and "...not interlanguage dictionary" - we have wikt links already that cover this, and it's interlanguage. I personally consider such dict defs hard to justify generally as our general principle is to source content which cannot be done on a dab. I see DABDIC as slightly old fashioned, and will take that up at the dab project. Widefox; talk 22:47, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
(archaic) Alternative form of aven (“river”). We also have a Welsh dab entry detailing an Anglicisation (now in the See also). Is this any different to dabs like Thames (disambiguation) which has similar etymology in the wikt:Thames but nothing in the lede?
otherwise..Wiktand
...not interlanguage dictionary. Fundamental issues WP:5P
It is not a dictionaryand policy (not guideline like WP:MOSDAB) WP:V .