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In September 2005 Verdonk was spit at by an assailant when she and her family spent a day sightseeing in Amsterdam. Does not sound really encyclopedic information to me. Removing. Taka 08:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Taka, the article attempts to capture Rita Verdonk as a person and her professional life as a cabinet minister. It makes sense to keep track of events making national headlines involving this person and incorporate it in the article. One storyline is about personal attacks, lets say the ketchup incident, the spitting incident, the window incident and the protest signs incident. I do no pretend to know what is more relevant and what is less relevant. Important to Wiki should be the fact that is made national news at one time [1]. Personally I feel the window shooting incident was blown out of proportions and I made sure the debunking was included in the article. The English Wiki information on personal attacks was complete until your intervention. The Dutch Wiki is incomplete because it fails to report on 2 of the incidents. Another storyline would involve personal dossiers making national news: the Dutch wiki carries the Taida case but not the Kanu case. The English wiki does not have this information.
The bottom line is that there is no reason not to be concise, Wiki guidelines state that Wiki is not an ordinary encyclopia because the ordinary paper ones lack space where Wiki does not. Also not every article has the sufficient editors to keep the article up to date. Simple solution is to allow each editor to make a contribution and leave it to the next editor to full up any gaps.
The thing you are doing is destruction of Wiki material which I find wrong. However my proposal to you is an edit we can both feel comfortable with. Simply move this particular information from the political career part and combine it with the part in Miscellaneous Information. We can also do mediation. V8rik 17:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I have some general comments on the quality of this article. It is not always clear who is making statements. Several times the article mentions the policy is controversial but please specify by whom. What is the name of the TV show with air date making the black tulip comparison?, which political parties in parliament did vote against the age and income criteria for new immigrants? Also try to include references to news articles so that people van verify information (try www.nu.nl). Better settle these issues now before entering into NPOV discussions.
V8rik 21:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Reading through this Wiki I am wondering why about the neutrality of the article. The word controversy in itself implies an opinion, so why is the use still debated. It should be removed. On the incidents, I am just wondering why these are in this article. Is the intend again to show controversy. Considering that incidents like the ones described are coming from individual actions coming from a single person or a small group, what does this actually reflect on the overall person of Rita Verdonk.
Rita Verdonk has been more controversial than mainstream media may have acknowledged. When I was looking at Human Rights Watch a few days ago, I looked over at the Hall of Shame article linked on the front page and found Rita Verdonk listed there. Considering the Rita Verdonk has been sufficiently popular for Human Rights Watch to list her in their hall of shame, perhaps the word controversial is appropriate after all. - Caudax 13:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
It currently says: "Minister Without Portfolio for Immigration of Integration" I think this should be changed to "Minister for Immigration and Integration" (in Dutch: "minister voor Vreemdelingenzaken en Integratie"), since the current description looks contradictive to me: Immigration and Integration is her portofolio, thus she's not without ... 86.84.145.232 17:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The initial translation of Minister Verdonk's title was not accurate in English, but actually in the Westminster system, a Minister may be commissioned with or without portfolio responsibilities.
This wiki containts a lot of facts which may have been the talk of the day at work, when they were in the news, but are rather meaningless in a broader view. This makes it also hard to read for a non-initiated non-Dutch (left-wing extremists who smear ketchup ? Shot at the window and bulletproof vest, but no shot at the window ???) 80.127.227.31 01:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I've put a disputed tag to the article. The motion was about suspending extraditions, not a general pardon. Furthermore, it is totally unclear at this point if Verdonk will even resign or not. Intangible2.0 00:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the tag. There seems to be a strong preliminary consensus and there are no grounds for the article being disputed based on what User:Intangible2.0 says. The User seems to be quite obviously a sockpuppet of User:Intangible who was placed on probation by the ArbCom and seems to have now found a way around that. Thethinredline 00:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
it turns out that several news report say it was a motion about a general pardon like [9] or [10]. Intangible2.0 cannot blame the wiki editors concerned, but should have made some effort to come up with news sources like I just did to make his case. V8rik 19:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
1. Excuse me all. but I have made mistakes in what was meant to be some simple grammar/spelling edits. Now, in the Outgoing Minister section which deals with these different motions, a block of text no longer appears. It is still there in the "edit' page but not for the common reader. I suppose I hit some html codes I should have left alone. Can someone tell me how to fix that, preferably on my own talk page? VNCCC ( talk) 16:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the message Current event above the article. The elections are over, Rita has become an normal member of parliament. There is no current news regarding her at the moment. Kimelinor 19:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added the lifting of Verdonk's security detail as per June 4 and her discussion of it in parliament. I have at least one source from a newspaper on the web; how can I insert the source in the text? Answers here or on talk page VNCCC ( talk) 16:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Famous quote that should be in: Ik ben niet links, ik ben niet rechts, maar ik ben recht door zee. Mallerd 17:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Did she really say that Polish people can stay only six months in the Netherlands? This sounds to me very strange, because they Poland is EU member state and I think cannot be legally sent back after three months. I wonder how she tries to implement this in law. http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/117026/Verdonk-Polen-moeten-terug.html Andries ( talk) 09:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Though her PSP membership is included, several sources state she was briefly also a member of the PPR, albeit she didn't occupy any functions within that party. Would this be worth including? A few sources are below (all in Dutch): http://www.parlement.com/9291000/biof/02995 http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/politiek/article1868563.ece/Hopelijk_voor_Verdonk_vergat_ze_alleen_PSP_.html http://www.trouw.nl/redactie/pdf/psp.pdf Darth Viller ( talk) 16:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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In September 2005 Verdonk was spit at by an assailant when she and her family spent a day sightseeing in Amsterdam. Does not sound really encyclopedic information to me. Removing. Taka 08:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Taka, the article attempts to capture Rita Verdonk as a person and her professional life as a cabinet minister. It makes sense to keep track of events making national headlines involving this person and incorporate it in the article. One storyline is about personal attacks, lets say the ketchup incident, the spitting incident, the window incident and the protest signs incident. I do no pretend to know what is more relevant and what is less relevant. Important to Wiki should be the fact that is made national news at one time [1]. Personally I feel the window shooting incident was blown out of proportions and I made sure the debunking was included in the article. The English Wiki information on personal attacks was complete until your intervention. The Dutch Wiki is incomplete because it fails to report on 2 of the incidents. Another storyline would involve personal dossiers making national news: the Dutch wiki carries the Taida case but not the Kanu case. The English wiki does not have this information.
The bottom line is that there is no reason not to be concise, Wiki guidelines state that Wiki is not an ordinary encyclopia because the ordinary paper ones lack space where Wiki does not. Also not every article has the sufficient editors to keep the article up to date. Simple solution is to allow each editor to make a contribution and leave it to the next editor to full up any gaps.
The thing you are doing is destruction of Wiki material which I find wrong. However my proposal to you is an edit we can both feel comfortable with. Simply move this particular information from the political career part and combine it with the part in Miscellaneous Information. We can also do mediation. V8rik 17:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I have some general comments on the quality of this article. It is not always clear who is making statements. Several times the article mentions the policy is controversial but please specify by whom. What is the name of the TV show with air date making the black tulip comparison?, which political parties in parliament did vote against the age and income criteria for new immigrants? Also try to include references to news articles so that people van verify information (try www.nu.nl). Better settle these issues now before entering into NPOV discussions.
V8rik 21:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Reading through this Wiki I am wondering why about the neutrality of the article. The word controversy in itself implies an opinion, so why is the use still debated. It should be removed. On the incidents, I am just wondering why these are in this article. Is the intend again to show controversy. Considering that incidents like the ones described are coming from individual actions coming from a single person or a small group, what does this actually reflect on the overall person of Rita Verdonk.
Rita Verdonk has been more controversial than mainstream media may have acknowledged. When I was looking at Human Rights Watch a few days ago, I looked over at the Hall of Shame article linked on the front page and found Rita Verdonk listed there. Considering the Rita Verdonk has been sufficiently popular for Human Rights Watch to list her in their hall of shame, perhaps the word controversial is appropriate after all. - Caudax 13:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
It currently says: "Minister Without Portfolio for Immigration of Integration" I think this should be changed to "Minister for Immigration and Integration" (in Dutch: "minister voor Vreemdelingenzaken en Integratie"), since the current description looks contradictive to me: Immigration and Integration is her portofolio, thus she's not without ... 86.84.145.232 17:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The initial translation of Minister Verdonk's title was not accurate in English, but actually in the Westminster system, a Minister may be commissioned with or without portfolio responsibilities.
This wiki containts a lot of facts which may have been the talk of the day at work, when they were in the news, but are rather meaningless in a broader view. This makes it also hard to read for a non-initiated non-Dutch (left-wing extremists who smear ketchup ? Shot at the window and bulletproof vest, but no shot at the window ???) 80.127.227.31 01:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I've put a disputed tag to the article. The motion was about suspending extraditions, not a general pardon. Furthermore, it is totally unclear at this point if Verdonk will even resign or not. Intangible2.0 00:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the tag. There seems to be a strong preliminary consensus and there are no grounds for the article being disputed based on what User:Intangible2.0 says. The User seems to be quite obviously a sockpuppet of User:Intangible who was placed on probation by the ArbCom and seems to have now found a way around that. Thethinredline 00:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
it turns out that several news report say it was a motion about a general pardon like [9] or [10]. Intangible2.0 cannot blame the wiki editors concerned, but should have made some effort to come up with news sources like I just did to make his case. V8rik 19:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
1. Excuse me all. but I have made mistakes in what was meant to be some simple grammar/spelling edits. Now, in the Outgoing Minister section which deals with these different motions, a block of text no longer appears. It is still there in the "edit' page but not for the common reader. I suppose I hit some html codes I should have left alone. Can someone tell me how to fix that, preferably on my own talk page? VNCCC ( talk) 16:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the message Current event above the article. The elections are over, Rita has become an normal member of parliament. There is no current news regarding her at the moment. Kimelinor 19:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added the lifting of Verdonk's security detail as per June 4 and her discussion of it in parliament. I have at least one source from a newspaper on the web; how can I insert the source in the text? Answers here or on talk page VNCCC ( talk) 16:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Famous quote that should be in: Ik ben niet links, ik ben niet rechts, maar ik ben recht door zee. Mallerd 17:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Did she really say that Polish people can stay only six months in the Netherlands? This sounds to me very strange, because they Poland is EU member state and I think cannot be legally sent back after three months. I wonder how she tries to implement this in law. http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/117026/Verdonk-Polen-moeten-terug.html Andries ( talk) 09:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Though her PSP membership is included, several sources state she was briefly also a member of the PPR, albeit she didn't occupy any functions within that party. Would this be worth including? A few sources are below (all in Dutch): http://www.parlement.com/9291000/biof/02995 http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/politiek/article1868563.ece/Hopelijk_voor_Verdonk_vergat_ze_alleen_PSP_.html http://www.trouw.nl/redactie/pdf/psp.pdf Darth Viller ( talk) 16:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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