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The following is a list of key sources I had only limited access to. Full access would allow help anyone write a fuller treatment of the Risley Park Lanx. Hope it helps. Aukker ( talk) 20:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
1. Stukeley,William An account of a large silver plate, of antique basso relievo, Roman workmanship, found in Derbyshire, 1729. Read before the Antiquarian Society of London, 8 April, 1736.
Oxford OLIS catalogue.
The original source; without which nothing else makes sense. Both in terms of understanding the Lanx as a semi-mythological object, and the possibility of the Greenhalghs forgery. It's probably not in copyright, but ya neva kno.
2. Johns, C.
"The Risley Park Lanx: a lost antiquity from Roman Britain", Antiquaries Journal London 61, 1981, p53-72.
This, I think, is the source the Greenhalghs must have had access to which made their forgery feasible. Certainly it is (or was) considered definitive.
3. Johns C, & Painter, K. "The Risley Park Lanx: Bauge, Bayeux, Buch, or Britain?" in Orbis Romanus Christanusque ab Diocletiani aetate usque ad Heraclium. Travaux sur l'antique tardive rassembles autour des recherches de Noel Duval, Paris, 1995, p175-87. This cited in Leader-Newby, Ruth E.
Silver and society in late antiquity, Ashgate Publishing, 2004: p116, footnote 88.
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0754607283
I imagine this article occurs less obscurely elsewhere, but I couldn't resist citing it this way. The origins of this lanx is pertinent to understanding it. Given where it was found I wonder if it was part of the 'Corbridge Five'. That would make it practically a hoard!
4. Johns, Catherine & Painter, Kenneth.
"The Risley Park Lanx 'rediscovered'(abstract)", Minerva 2(6) 1991, 6–13.
This article is the beginning of the debate post-rediscovery. Ie what is the status of the Risley Park Lanx: forgery, replica, something new, etc.
"Possibly being deliberately cut to improve the quality" I've had a look at this sentence in para 3, as it seems to have misinterpreted its source, the abstract of the article by Johns and Painter. The sense given in the source is that the lanx was probably 'recast' sometime before its rediscovery, as it was originally discovered in pieces. As it is, the wikipedia article is suggesting that the lanx was somehow further broken in pieces to "improve the quality", which frankly makes no sense. In any case, this part of the sentence should probably be removed entirely, as the issue of whether or not the lanx was recast before rediscovery is no longer important, as it was proved to be a fake.
And yes, I don't think a blog is a particularly relevant or reliable source. Svejk74 ( talk) 11:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I have shifted your title of this section, to make it clearer what this subsection is about. Apropos nothing, further to the state of the lanx: "..believed to have been broken up and smelted down by farm workers." [2] Which is also odd - because its unlikely Lady Ashton gave it back to the farmers to melt down. She knew what it was, enough to get Stukeley in. Nice parallel with Greenhalgh though. Aukker ( talk) 23:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
A photo of the Risley Park lanx, and also, for comparison the Corbridge Lanx (or, by the by, any other lanx). This latter one I believe might be a good deal easier as its on display, though the Risley was too, once. This is always going to be a rather dry article, so anything else imaginative would be appreciated. Like say, a photo of William Stukeley's drawings; or if you like to spend your weekend melting down Roman silver coins, well that'd be good too. cheers Aukker ( talk) 22:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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The following is a list of key sources I had only limited access to. Full access would allow help anyone write a fuller treatment of the Risley Park Lanx. Hope it helps. Aukker ( talk) 20:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
1. Stukeley,William An account of a large silver plate, of antique basso relievo, Roman workmanship, found in Derbyshire, 1729. Read before the Antiquarian Society of London, 8 April, 1736.
Oxford OLIS catalogue.
The original source; without which nothing else makes sense. Both in terms of understanding the Lanx as a semi-mythological object, and the possibility of the Greenhalghs forgery. It's probably not in copyright, but ya neva kno.
2. Johns, C.
"The Risley Park Lanx: a lost antiquity from Roman Britain", Antiquaries Journal London 61, 1981, p53-72.
This, I think, is the source the Greenhalghs must have had access to which made their forgery feasible. Certainly it is (or was) considered definitive.
3. Johns C, & Painter, K. "The Risley Park Lanx: Bauge, Bayeux, Buch, or Britain?" in Orbis Romanus Christanusque ab Diocletiani aetate usque ad Heraclium. Travaux sur l'antique tardive rassembles autour des recherches de Noel Duval, Paris, 1995, p175-87. This cited in Leader-Newby, Ruth E.
Silver and society in late antiquity, Ashgate Publishing, 2004: p116, footnote 88.
ISBN
0754607283
I imagine this article occurs less obscurely elsewhere, but I couldn't resist citing it this way. The origins of this lanx is pertinent to understanding it. Given where it was found I wonder if it was part of the 'Corbridge Five'. That would make it practically a hoard!
4. Johns, Catherine & Painter, Kenneth.
"The Risley Park Lanx 'rediscovered'(abstract)", Minerva 2(6) 1991, 6–13.
This article is the beginning of the debate post-rediscovery. Ie what is the status of the Risley Park Lanx: forgery, replica, something new, etc.
"Possibly being deliberately cut to improve the quality" I've had a look at this sentence in para 3, as it seems to have misinterpreted its source, the abstract of the article by Johns and Painter. The sense given in the source is that the lanx was probably 'recast' sometime before its rediscovery, as it was originally discovered in pieces. As it is, the wikipedia article is suggesting that the lanx was somehow further broken in pieces to "improve the quality", which frankly makes no sense. In any case, this part of the sentence should probably be removed entirely, as the issue of whether or not the lanx was recast before rediscovery is no longer important, as it was proved to be a fake.
And yes, I don't think a blog is a particularly relevant or reliable source. Svejk74 ( talk) 11:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I have shifted your title of this section, to make it clearer what this subsection is about. Apropos nothing, further to the state of the lanx: "..believed to have been broken up and smelted down by farm workers." [2] Which is also odd - because its unlikely Lady Ashton gave it back to the farmers to melt down. She knew what it was, enough to get Stukeley in. Nice parallel with Greenhalgh though. Aukker ( talk) 23:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
A photo of the Risley Park lanx, and also, for comparison the Corbridge Lanx (or, by the by, any other lanx). This latter one I believe might be a good deal easier as its on display, though the Risley was too, once. This is always going to be a rather dry article, so anything else imaginative would be appreciated. Like say, a photo of William Stukeley's drawings; or if you like to spend your weekend melting down Roman silver coins, well that'd be good too. cheers Aukker ( talk) 22:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)