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Can anyone provide a better copy of the following reference? [1] It is an early rulebook and is used in multiple places (currently ref #8) but the linked source is an illegible scan. I cannot verify any of the claims sourced to this reference. Meters ( talk) 21:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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Just adding this here because I was going through the edit history to see if I could retrieve sources which had been removed and I found an entry which stated the following: "The first time the name "ringette" is mentioned was at the Northern Ontario Recreation Directors Association (NORDA) meetings held on January 20 and 21, 1963 in Sudbury, Ontario". Unfortunately this claim was not sourced but it could be important enough to leave it on the talk page as it may prove useful in some other way in the future. However it might be better placed in a wiki article on the history of the sport if someone ever intends to create one. CheckersBoard ( talk) 20:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Recent attempts to restore a detailed history of the sport which were once included in the wiki ringette article are unfortunately unsourced so it can't be included. It's been difficult to tell when it was first added or where it came from, it could have been present for years. However, I can't find the information online anywhere which is where I do a primary search. As a result, I haven't been able to find sources either. But, it seems it could be valuable, as I've said once before, IF, someone manages to create a new article about the sport's history (and sources this content), such as the one created for Canadian women's hockey: Canadian women's ice hockey history. In the meantime, in case it completely disappears into the internet abyss, I've archived the recent edit history page because it could be useful if it ever can be sourced, even though this content can't be included in its current form in wikipedia: [1].
Surprised to find how hard it is to find sources on this sport sometimes considering it's been around since the 1960s. CheckersBoard ( talk) 09:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
I've done my research and work for this article because I wanted to get it right. It is sourced despite the fact that information is hard to come by. There appears to be only one book ever written on the sport's history and it is out of print.
The article, which I have contributed to, gives credit to both men, Sam Jacks and Mirl Arthur "Red" McCarthy, who have both been credited by Canada's national governing body, Ringette Canada, as "Founders". This can be found in the Ringette Canada Hall of Fame on their website. The sport was invented in Canada in the province of Ontario. This information is sourced. In the article's lead it is clear these two men were key players but played different roles, and this can be found in the referenced material which has been included. However, for some reason this information keeps being removed for unwarranted reasons. I'm starting to wonder if someone is trolling.
The Ontario province: While both Canadian men are considered founders, McCarthy is credited as the sport's co-inventor, while Jacks is credited as the sport's inventor/idea man. 1963 is marked as the starting year. Jacks was also the founder and President of the SDMRO (Society of Director of Municipal Recreation of Ontario). In 1963, Jacks was SDMRO President. Jacks was also the first director of recreation of North Bay (same province) which he became in 1948, and also held this position in 1963. McCarthy was the director of recreation for the Ontario town of Espanola during that time and the town's local arena manager. After the sport was created, Jacks wanted credit to go to the Northern Ontario Director's Association (NORDA) for the creation of the sport, but this information, while initially included in the article last year (and had been added by a different editor) has since been removed as some point, probably because it wasn't sourced. Note: NORDA doesn't appear anywhere in the Ringette Canada Hall of Fame for some reason.
In addition, neither man has been inducted into the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame, which was the province where they both lived and worked, I just checked their website yesterday. CheckersBoard ( talk) 04:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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Can anyone provide a better copy of the following reference? [1] It is an early rulebook and is used in multiple places (currently ref #8) but the linked source is an illegible scan. I cannot verify any of the claims sourced to this reference. Meters ( talk) 21:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
References
Just adding this here because I was going through the edit history to see if I could retrieve sources which had been removed and I found an entry which stated the following: "The first time the name "ringette" is mentioned was at the Northern Ontario Recreation Directors Association (NORDA) meetings held on January 20 and 21, 1963 in Sudbury, Ontario". Unfortunately this claim was not sourced but it could be important enough to leave it on the talk page as it may prove useful in some other way in the future. However it might be better placed in a wiki article on the history of the sport if someone ever intends to create one. CheckersBoard ( talk) 20:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Recent attempts to restore a detailed history of the sport which were once included in the wiki ringette article are unfortunately unsourced so it can't be included. It's been difficult to tell when it was first added or where it came from, it could have been present for years. However, I can't find the information online anywhere which is where I do a primary search. As a result, I haven't been able to find sources either. But, it seems it could be valuable, as I've said once before, IF, someone manages to create a new article about the sport's history (and sources this content), such as the one created for Canadian women's hockey: Canadian women's ice hockey history. In the meantime, in case it completely disappears into the internet abyss, I've archived the recent edit history page because it could be useful if it ever can be sourced, even though this content can't be included in its current form in wikipedia: [1].
Surprised to find how hard it is to find sources on this sport sometimes considering it's been around since the 1960s. CheckersBoard ( talk) 09:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
I've done my research and work for this article because I wanted to get it right. It is sourced despite the fact that information is hard to come by. There appears to be only one book ever written on the sport's history and it is out of print.
The article, which I have contributed to, gives credit to both men, Sam Jacks and Mirl Arthur "Red" McCarthy, who have both been credited by Canada's national governing body, Ringette Canada, as "Founders". This can be found in the Ringette Canada Hall of Fame on their website. The sport was invented in Canada in the province of Ontario. This information is sourced. In the article's lead it is clear these two men were key players but played different roles, and this can be found in the referenced material which has been included. However, for some reason this information keeps being removed for unwarranted reasons. I'm starting to wonder if someone is trolling.
The Ontario province: While both Canadian men are considered founders, McCarthy is credited as the sport's co-inventor, while Jacks is credited as the sport's inventor/idea man. 1963 is marked as the starting year. Jacks was also the founder and President of the SDMRO (Society of Director of Municipal Recreation of Ontario). In 1963, Jacks was SDMRO President. Jacks was also the first director of recreation of North Bay (same province) which he became in 1948, and also held this position in 1963. McCarthy was the director of recreation for the Ontario town of Espanola during that time and the town's local arena manager. After the sport was created, Jacks wanted credit to go to the Northern Ontario Director's Association (NORDA) for the creation of the sport, but this information, while initially included in the article last year (and had been added by a different editor) has since been removed as some point, probably because it wasn't sourced. Note: NORDA doesn't appear anywhere in the Ringette Canada Hall of Fame for some reason.
In addition, neither man has been inducted into the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame, which was the province where they both lived and worked, I just checked their website yesterday. CheckersBoard ( talk) 04:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)