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I think mate Rimac needs his own Wikipedia page. Bobbyshabangu talk 12:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Is there a problem with listing Porsche as a 10% owner? References to back it up at
Companies buying large amount of shares in other companies is not an unusual thing, so I don't see why this has become a controversial topic. Stepho talk 01:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs: @ FlightTime Phone:
How do I write here, is this OK @Stepho-wrs? It's @Markkonen...
There is no problem about Porsche 10%, but it's already mantioned in the text...
Mate Rimac is the majority owner, others are:
Integrated Asset Management (Asia) Limited, The British Virgin Islands
China Dynamics (Holdings) Limited, Bermuda
NEW AUTOMOVILE DEVELOPMENT LLP, UK
Adriano Mudri, Austria
Ziad Tassabehji, UK
CONSULTING GROUP LIMITED, Hongkong
Paul E Runge, USA
Camel Group Co., Ltd., China
Porsche Engineering Group GmbH, Germany
You have it on record here:
https://sudreg.pravosudje.hr/registar/f?p=150:28:0::NO:28:P28_SBT_MBS:080712981
Also, there are other major problems with Mate Rimac, and Rimac automobili, and it is very controversial, and fiercely debated topic here in Croatia, but language barrier is the problem for others who don't know Croatian language... @Stepho-wrs, can you give me your email, so I can write you there? - Markkonen 06:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs:
List of all of the investors is in annual financial report, it is on the same link, click on - Pregledaj na stranicama RGFI - and download - Godišnje izvješće + Revizorsko izvješće s prilozima + Bilješke -, on the page 30 you have list of investors with percentages, I will make it easy for you, click here:
https://i.postimg.cc/zX8z1Mx4/0001.jpg
Annual financial report of 2018., will be done around June 2019., and should show 10.78% from Porsche Engineering Group GmbH, Germany
I think I have found your email, I will contact you, feel free to fully disclose those emails...~~~~
~~~~ Doesn't seem to work, or I am doing something wrong...
- Markkonen 20:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Kiksam: stop with disruptive editing, and do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point...
@ Stepho-wrs:
Markkonen ( talk) 19:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Entity | %December 2017 | % June 2018 |
---|---|---|
Mate Rimac | 62.5% | 56.25 |
Camel Group | 19.35 | 17.325 |
Porsche | 0 | 10 |
China Dynamics | 8.06 | 7.254 |
New Automobile Development | 4.84 | 4.356 |
@ Stepho-wrs: @ EdJohnston:
@ Stepho-wrs:
BTW Paul E Runge is the only known owner of Concept One, besides Applus IDIADA Volar-E, that is Spanish firm, that with collaboration with Rimac automobili bought Concept One, changed the outside, and presented it like their car, and took money from EU fonds...
https://www.applusidiada.com/en/new/volar-e-1340222851925
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-151_en.htm
Contract award procedure for EU fonds said that car needed to be completed in 4 months, and Mate Rimac is in many interviews proud of that, that him and few others slept in his garage and made that car in 4 months...
Also, Concept One is basically GTM kit car with electric engine:
https://www.factoryfive.com/gtm-supercar/
And other things are also bought, but you will read all about that when I translate all, like I said in email... Markkonen ( talk) 01:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs: @ FlightTime Phone:
@Stepho-wrs, please see what FlightTime is doing... Markkonen ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Markkonen - that is simply not true. I was looking it up - the Croatian agency FINA (and therefore all the other services that you are linking) are using total hours per year worked to get the average number of employees through out the year.
This is the metodology: ". Broj zaposlenih − stanje na temelju sati rada: prosječan broj zaposlenih radnika na bazi sati rada utvrđuje se tako da se ukupan broj ostvarenih sati rada u godišnjem razdoblju podijeli s brojem mogućih sati rada po jednome zaposlenom radniku u odnosnome razdoblju."
Google Translated:
"Number of employees - working hours: average the number of employed persons on the basis of working hours shall be determined by: is the total number of hours worked in the annual period divided by the number of possible hours of work per single employee worker in the relevant period."
https://misljenja.hr/dok/novosti/782/vij_init.pdf
I am using Google Translate as I don't speak Croatian but the point is clear.
I will explain it again to you - read it slowly, you might get it: If you start the year with 100 employees, and end the year with 200 employees, and grow linearly between, the statistics will show that you have 150 employees during the year. And, that information is available for 2018, which is 6 months ago, so not relevant for such a high growing company. I would think that an official press release, but Hyundai, a huge company that is a shareholder in Rimac, is more relevant. Why are you ignoring this? What is your agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sittinginsanfrancisco2 ( talk • contribs) 09:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs: @ Kiksam:
Kiksam you are again reverting changes without explanation! Markkonen ( talk) 20:58, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
2. Concept One was announced - The production is limited to only 88 units, 10 to 15 cars per year. Tailored by the customer’s wishes every car is an exquisite masterpiece.
Later, they changed that to 8 - The production is limited to only 8 units, tailored by the customer’s wishes, every car is an exquisite masterpiece.
Strange, 8 units, and they have already sold 10.
3. Vecernji list is Croatian biggest newspaper, the text is from 2013., so it is not uotdated, the car was made in 2011. Also, the text is interview with Mate Rimac:
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
4. Crodriver is Mate Rimac on various forums. This is Factory Five forum:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3485-Holy-Moley
Most interesting parts:
„The integrity to give credit where it is due.“
„Crodriver went onto the other forum and deliberately deleted all his posts.“
„He took FFRs stuff, reworked it, and is now trying to pass it off as his own...and profit from it!“
„I have no problem with someone reworking something and wanting money for the improved product, but when they claim it to be 100% their creation...when climbing on the backs of other hard working people who they give NO credit to, well, yeah, then I have an issue with it.“
„He should should give credit where credit is due.“
6. Article from telegram is there because you can clearly see on the pictures, Mate Rimac sitting in Factory Five GTM kit car, and you can clearly see on the pictures boxes from Factory Five, and Factory Five logos on the boxes.
7. Mate Rimac/Rimac automobili are buying products from various companyes, and sell them as their own.
Just one example, in interview - Recite Al Jazeeri: Mate Rimac, he is saying that almost all components are made internally, in the house, from scratch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0Hi9fKjNI
R&D & hardcore manufacturing in-house
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-37qpjyy.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-38o5jc9.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-39u9kgn.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-40swj8i.jpg
So, let’s see "in the house” made from scratch electric motor:
But in fact that product is from USA, from company AMRacinginc:
Just look at that two smiling faces, just before shipping to Rimac automobili, I bet you would be smiling to, when a nice sum of money sits to your banking account...
Look how AMRacing have a nice video about R&D of that electric motor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFblZxNsl8
They are delivered on the stands. And look at them on this picture, maybe the saddest picture of all, when they are in Rimac automobili, on the same stands:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-slide8uf0n.jpg
"Inspiring new generations"...
What are we now going to say to children?
Also, Mate Rimac entered Croatian schools and he is already in school books:
Rimac, new Nikola Tesla:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-44w5jie.jpg
First electric car was made by Anyos Jedlik in 1828.
Children writing about Rimac:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-47tvkhj.jpg
Rimac haircut:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-54wmjx5.jpg
Most interesting part, school book:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-454ok0q.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-46yakbx.jpg
But in fact, first Croatian electric car was made a year before, in 2010., DOK-ING xD and was inttroduced in Geneva motorshow in 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nayp6GGBrYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOsoIDmlMSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf-_EnCviGA
So lies even in the school books...
8. Rimac is not making anything for Jaguar Cars!!! It is misleading! I have friends working on Jaguar I-PACE, first all-electric Jaguar, and 99% of them didn't even know Rimac existed until I have told them! Jaguar E‑type Zero concept car is made by Jaguar Land Rover Classic Works, they made one example of that car have some components from Rimac.
9. Rimac is not making anything for Seat!!! It is misleading! Seat Cupra e-Racer concept car is a project from Porsche Engineering Group GmbH. Rimac, Porsche, remember 10% ownership?
10. I didn't change anything about Concept Two.
11. Can we talk about Mate Rimac initial capital, and his father, Ivan Rimac? Both Mate Rimac and Ivan Rimac in numerous interviews says his father borrowed him the money.
Why don't you check father connections that are involved with the highest government officials?
His father was wanted by the Interpol, he was wanted for tax evasion in Germany, he was in prison in Serbia and Croatia, and has numerous affair, most known are RIM I ZOV, access road for Lidl, Slavonija DI, HNK Hajduk, Sibinj, and world famous Mossac Fonseca i Panama Papers which were also involved in Rimac automobili...
Croatian journalist Drago Hedl wrote about some of the affairs.
Why don't you check financial reports, and debts to companies owned by his father Ivan Rimac.
Also, why don't you check how much money is Croatian goverment is giving to him? And beside that, Rimac automobili finished the fiscal year of 2017. in minus of 43 million...
Why don't you check interview with Richard Hammond, you can use internet search engines and find - Richard Hammond discusses his Rimac crash, where Rimac says it was produced only 8 cars, but in article from 2011. - Rimac o Concept_Oneu: Kupci nam stižu sa svih strana svijeta, već smo ih prodali deset! where he says he sold 10 cars:
Also, do you remember the car which was introduced in Geneva in 2016, Concept S:
That one is also sold out:
https://www.tportal.hr/tehno/clanak/rimac-prodao-oba-concepta-s-evo-koliko-su-kostali-20170315
Also, Mate Rimac in the same interview with Richard Hammond declares that the car is privately owned, in possession of private buyer, but in the financial reports you can see the part where it says that - during the recording of the new Amazon series The Grand Tour, host, Richard Hammond completely damaged the Concept One car owned by the firm (Rimac automobili).
Why don’t you check the interview N1 Pressing: Mate Rimac (1.6.2015), at 28:55 in the interview he is saying the host, that his firm doesn’t have some holding company on British Virgin Islands, but in Court registry of commercial records there is Integrated Asset Management (Asia) Limited, from British Virgin Islands, and that firm is there from the moment of starting Rimac automobili. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrBTnQHbPM4
In the same interview at 42:00 Mate Rimac is saying that Rimac automobili have already developed the car that is driving by itself, without a driver, which would mean that in 2015. they had fifth level of autonomous driving, which is unbelievable, since no one it the world have made a car that is fourth level, newest Audi A8 D5 from 2018. Is only third level.
In the same interview he is saying that they have started on the project of building boats, that confirms the article from 2014. - NOVI POSLOVNI POTEZ MATE RIMCA Gradi prvu brzu električnu jahtu na svijetu
In the same interview Mate Rimac continues the story, saying they are working on the "personal watercraft" project, which is floating over the water, and 300 will be built in2015. And 1000 in 2016. And testings can be seen in the lake beside Sv. Nedelja.
In the same interview Mate Rimac is saying they are working on flying car and that they will need an airfield.
And so on, and so on, and so on, etc, etc, etc...
Markkonen ( talk) 00:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
There are other problems with Markonnen's editing, namely:
References
Also, start reading from the start in this talk page... Markkonen ( talk) 22:03, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Please start reading from the start in this talk page...
And yes, Concept One can only have /info/en/?search=Show_or_Display plates, because it is not homologated anywhere in the world. Even here in Croatia, you can't see it on regular plates, only on PP plates: https://www.cvh.hr/propisi-i-upute/pravilnici/zakon-o-sigurnosti-prometa-na-cestama/pravilnik-o-registraciji-i-oznacavanju-vozila/ Markkonen ( talk) 08:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
What wrong information and information not supported by the provided source am I writing?
Read what is Show or Display and what kind of plates are those:
/info/en/?search=Show_or_Display
Also, read this list:
https://icsw.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/Eligible%20Show%20or%20Display%20Vehicles%20Feb212017.xlsx
That list is from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, agency of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, part of the Department of Transportation.
/info/en/?search=National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration
Markkonen ( talk) 09:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
OK, how do you want to write it?
Markkonen ( talk) 09:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Why have you deleted - A limited production of 88 units was to be offered?
The Concept One has not received type approval in the United States, meaning that it must be imported under Show or Display - that is OK with me.
Sony battery thing? I don't know what are you talking about?
About A123 systems:
I doista, na baterijskom modulu “uvozne” su samo ćelije. One su proizvod poznate američke tvrtke A123 systems.
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
The cell selected for modelling is a high-performance cylindrical cell in the 26700 package developed by A123 Systems.
https://dspace.ut.ee/bitstream/handle/10062/60714/Dreija_MSc2018.pdf?...1...y
Markkonen ( talk) 17:33, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Here you go, I have edited:
1.The Concept One has not received type approval in the United States, meaning that it must be imported under Show or Display
2. Battery cells are from USA firm, A123 Systems
OK, then someone else removed that about 88 cars...
What cite is talking about Sony batteries?
Factory Five claim? I thought I have explained that, you also have pictures with that, and discussion of Factory Five forum, all explained before...
Source for x firms making x parts for Rimac is:
https://www.vecernji.hr/auti/samoborac-izradio-najbrzi-elektricni-auto-na-svijetu-319971
So ypu can see that Board Guardian is mentioned here:
https://www.vecernji.hr/auti/samoborac-izradio-najbrzi-elektricni-auto-na-svijetu-319971
Also you have Board Guardian pages:
http://www.boardguardian.hr/en/home/references
You can see Concept One, and Project „P2“ which is Applus+ IDIADA Volar-e.
For Rinehart Motion Systems, you can clearly see on various pictures, that is the same product.
Here is the latest one from Cupra e-Racer concept car:
https://abload.de/img/reinhart_cuprambkbf.png
https://www.rinehartmotion.com/standard.html
Also here on Tajima Rimac eRunner video on 2:43:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LLzOBrswA
https://www.rinehartmotion.com/uploads/5/1/3/0/51309945/pm250datasheet2.pdf
And Concept One:
http://quantumworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/QWC-SEV-RMS-PM100-150-250_Datasheets.pdf
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/lqnukbchhsy1bdplzgbg.png
https://jalopnik.com/the-fascinating-tech-behind-rimacs-two-220-mph-all-elec-1762444456
In fact, on Rinehart pages you have:
Specialty Vehicles Hillclimb Monster Tajima took First Place at the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb in the Electric Vehicle Class in 2013. This unit used 4 of our PM150DZR inverters, one at each wheel, with peak power just under 800kW. Tajima-san was back on the hill in June of this year and managed a second place OVERALL - both the first and second place electric vehicles beat every other vehicle on the hill including the Unlimited Class vehicles. Note that this is the first time, ever, that the EVs have beaten everything else at Pikes Peak. This year's car used 4 of our brand new PM250DZ inverters and managed just over 1MW of peak tractive effort.
https://www.rinehartmotion.com/motorsports.html
Sorry, I thought consensus was made.
If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
Markkonen ( talk) 03:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
OK, we can add Sony calls with A123 cells, do you agree with that?
Board Guardian is making and milling moulds. I can agree to change, making body parts to making and milling moulds. Is that OK with you?
Rinehart propulsion inverters are not just on Concept One, but on Tajima Rimac eRunner, Cupra e-Racer concept car, etd., you can clearly see that on the videos and pictures I have provided. Rimac will not tell anyone that is from Rinehart, because they are saying they are producing all by themselves, and it is the same story with electric engine, I also wrote about that before:
Mate Rimac/Rimac automobili are buying products from various companyes, and sell them as their own.
Just one example, in interview - Recite Al Jazeeri: Mate Rimac, he is saying that almost all components are made internally, in the house, from scratch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0Hi9fKjNI
R&D & hardcore manufacturing in-house
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-37qpjyy.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-38o5jc9.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-39u9kgn.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-40swj8i.jpg
So, let’s see "in the house” made from scratch electric motor:
But in fact that product is from USA, from company AMRacinginc:
Just look at that two smiling faces, just before shipping to Rimac automobili, I bet you would be smiling to, when a nice sum of money sits to your banking account...
Look how AMRacing have a nice video about R&D of that electric motor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFblZxNsl8
They are delivered on the stands. And look at them on this picture, maybe the saddest picture of all, when they are in Rimac automobili, on the same stands:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-slide8uf0n.jpg
"Inspiring new generations"...
What are we now going to say to children?
Regarding Factory Five:
Crodriver is Mate Rimac on various forums. This is Factory Five forum:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3485-Holy-Moley
"After rereading the threads from the Crodriver poster on the other forum, he kept complaining about how FFR wouldn't send him any CAD work on the car even though he had one of the kits. I actually defended him, but it looks like David Borden and the FFR guys were right to not trust this guy.
He took FFRs stuff, reworked it, and is now trying to pass it off as his own...and profit from it!
I have no problem with someone reworking something and wanting money for the improved product, but when they claim it to be 100% their creation...when climbing on the backs of other hard working people who they give NO credit to, well, yeah, then I have an issue with it."
He even wanted CAD work for the car.
Mate Rimac -Crodriver on unofficial− Factory five forum:
https://www.ffcars.com/forums/42-factory-five-gtm-forum/229801-planing-1000hp-electric-gtm.html
Unfortunately nothing is saved on internet archive, but we also have this:
"The GTM was ordered 4 months ago."
And here you can see Mate Rimac in Factory Five GTM kit car:
Also, he deleted his posts on every forum he could. Why deleting everything if you have nothing to hide?
Markkonen ( talk) 18:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
I doista, na baterijskom modulu “uvozne” su samo ćelije. One su proizvod poznate američke tvrtke A123 systems.
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
The cell selected for modelling is a high-performance cylindrical cell in the 26700 package developed by A123 Systems.
https://dspace.ut.ee/bitstream/handle/10062/60714/Dreija_MSc2018.pdf?...1...y
Crodriver is Mate Rimac on various forums. This is Factory Five forum:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3485-Holy-Moley
"After rereading the threads from the Crodriver poster on the other forum, he kept complaining about how FFR wouldn't send him any CAD work on the car even though he had one of the kits. I actually defended him, but it looks like David Borden and the FFR guys were right to not trust this guy.
He took FFRs stuff, reworked it, and is now trying to pass it off as his own...and profit from it!
I have no problem with someone reworking something and wanting money for the improved product, but when they claim it to be 100% their creation...when climbing on the backs of other hard working people who they give NO credit to, well, yeah, then I have an issue with it."
He even wanted CAD work for the car.
Mate Rimac -Crodriver on unofficial− Factory five forum:
https://www.ffcars.com/forums/42-factory-five-gtm-forum/229801-planing-1000hp-electric-gtm.html
Unfortunately nothing is saved on internet archive, but we also have this:
"The GTM was ordered 4 months ago."
And here you can see Mate Rimac in Factory Five GTM kit car:
Also, he deleted his posts on every forum he could. Why deleting everything if you have nothing to hide?
Markkonen ( talk) 17:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
One su proizvod poznate američke tvrtke A123 systems.
That you don't see that it is written - Concept One, that does not need translation, which is mentioned several times, including in the headline of the article. I'm just going to say LOL to this...
Markkonen ( talk) 23:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Markkonen ( talk) 05:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Not one link, there are multiple links and pictures that confirms Factory Five claims... Regarding reliable sources, reliable source is not even Rimac himself because he is a proven liar. I would also suggest reading a story about Fisker, Twentieth Century Motor Car Corporation, Lightning GT, Gemballa, and Tucker (you even have a movie about that - Tucker: The Man and His Dream). Hell, even DMC DeLorean is not far off...
Markkonen ( talk) 23:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I disagree, there are several reliable links. Also you have deleted everything, and not just about Factory Five parts... Markkonen ( talk) 18:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I think we need some more unbiased opinions on this matter.
Markkonen ( talk) 03:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Anyway, more deception and lies from Rimac:
Iz Rimac Automobila potvrdili su da je njihova serija od 150 komada električnog automobila C-Two koji je predstavljen u Ženevi prije samo tri tjedna praktički rasprodana.
29. ožujka. 2018:
Krešo Ćorić, voditelj prodaje u Rimac Automobilima, rekao je na autoshowu u New Yorku za Autocar kako je prodano skoro svih 150 komada modela koje planiraju proizvesti, a čija je osnovna cijena 1,7 milijuna eura. Kupac ima mogućnost dodavanja različitih opcija, što može povećati cijenu vozila do još pola milijuna eura, no usprkos visokoj cijeni, onih koji žele u svom voznom parku "Rimčevu zvijer" očito ne nedostaje.
05. OŽUJKA 2019.
Interes je velik. Ne brinemo za prodaju, i koliko će primjeraka biti prodano, važnije nam je razviti automobil do kraja - zaključio je Rimac.
Ovdje je zanimljivo da su u Večernjem editirali tekst koji je u orginalu glasio: Neki su već prodani tajnim klijentima, a interes je velik. Ne brinemo za prodaju, i koliko će primjeraka biti prodano, važnije nam je razviti automobil do kraja - zaključio je Rimac
Original članak Večernjeg je prenio https://poskok.info/ovo-je-nova-verzija-super-automobila-c_two-rimac-otkrio-kada-krece-isporuka/ sa izbrisanim dijelom o tajnim klijentima koji se već pomalo izlizao, ne?
I don't know if you need translation again...
Markkonen ( talk) 03:21, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
It proves continuous lies from Mate Rimac, and Rimac automobili.
You can read the rest here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RGOpgHymSoDwB0WsaE3jeJPmE1YmWaSD/view
Markkonen ( talk) 22:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
User:Toasted Meter User:EdJohnston Stepho-wrs :@ Stepho-wrs: :@ Toasted Meter: :@ EdJohnston:
Who is going to correct lies from Rimac automobili?
Like I said before, they lie, and lie, and lie, and I was right.
This is just regarding for number of employees which is stated on Wikipedia - 482 employees
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
Also, credit worthiness/credit rating/solvency, I don't know which year in a row, D2, which is when you are recomended NOT to do business with the company.
Proof from http://poslovna.hr/
https://abload.de/img/03k2jj4.png
And like I already said, they are known for lying:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
And we have covered 2018. in the begining, so I'm not going to repeat that.
Markkonen ( talk) 01:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Four days later, still no answer from any of you?
User:Toasted Meter User:EdJohnston :@ Toasted Meter: :@ EdJohnston:
Markkonen ( talk) 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I did the edit myself, and I have removed Greyp, that is a different firm/company:
https://sudreg.pravosudje.hr/registar/f?p=150:28:0::NO:28:P28_SBT_MBS:080680892
We can make a new Wikipedia page about that company.
Markkonen ( talk) 18:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
This is data based on average working hours. If a company starts a year with 100 employees, and ends a year with 200 and grows linearly, this statistical data will show 150 employees, which is misleading. Additionally, we are now 6 months into 2019, so this sources have no meaning for such a fast growing company. There have been many articles that mention 500+ employees, including this announcement from Hyundai, which is a shareholder. This article was published yesterday, from a shareholder of the company so it is more relevant than your links. Therefore, I would assume that it is reasonable to state that the company has 500+ employees. https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/2805 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sittinginsanfrancisco2 ( talk • contribs) 09:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
You can ask:
Data which was stated on Wikipedia - 482 employees was from here on this date:
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
Also, credit worthiness/credit rating/solvency, I don't know which year in a row, D2, which is when you are recomended NOT to do business with the company.
Proof from http://poslovna.hr/
https://abload.de/img/03k2jj4.png
You have linked one article that mentiones 500 employees.
Here you have another one, they claim 550 employees, and link in the article leads to link you have mantioned, that claims 500+ employees.
Date of the articles: 01.07.2019
Here is one article from 20.03.2019, that claims 600 employees:
https://ebike-mtb.com/en/greyp-g6-review/
Also like I have written before, they are known for lying:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
And we have covered 2018. in the begining, so I'm not going to repeat that.
So again, latest officialy confirmed data - 316 employees, official data that just came in from official financial agency of Republic of Croatia, FINA, and and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them), and not some mumbo jumbo crap from PR of Rimac automobili. Markkonen ( talk) 19:35, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Sittinginsanfrancisco2 ( talk) 20:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Markkonen - that is simply not true. I was looking it up - the Croatian agency FINA (and therefore all the other services that you are linking) are using total hours per year worked to get the average number of employees through out the year.
This is the metodology: ". Broj zaposlenih − stanje na temelju sati rada: prosječan broj zaposlenih radnika na bazi sati rada utvrđuje se tako da se ukupan broj ostvarenih sati rada u godišnjem razdoblju podijeli s brojem mogućih sati rada po jednome zaposlenom radniku u odnosnome razdoblju."
Google Translated:
"Number of employees - working hours: average the number of employed persons on the basis of working hours shall be determined by: is the total number of hours worked in the annual period divided by the number of possible hours of work per single employee worker in the relevant period."
https://misljenja.hr/dok/novosti/782/vij_init.pdf
I am using Google Translate as I don't speak Croatian but the point is clear.
I will explain it again to you - read it slowly, you might get it: If you start the year with 100 employees, and end the year with 200 employees, and grow linearly between, the statistics will show that you have 150 employees during the year. And, that information is available for 2018, which is 6 months ago, so not relevant for such a high growing company. I would think that an official press release, but Hyundai, a huge company that is a shareholder in Rimac, is more relevant. Why are you ignoring this? What is your agenda?
Sittinginsanfrancisco2 You don't speak Croatian, but you managed to find https://misljenja.hr and that article. Here is what it says:
12. Broj zaposlenih krajem razdoblja: prosječan broj zaposlenih krajem razdoblja utvrđuje se kao prosjek stanja zaposlenih 1.1. i krajem svakog tromjesečja prethodne i tekuće godine, uključujući i zaposlene u inozemstvu.
13. Broj zaposlenih − stanje na temelju sati rada: prosječan broj zaposlenih radnika na bazi sati rada utvrđuje se tako da se ukupan broj ostvarenih sati rada u godišnjem razdoblju podijeli s brojem mogućih sati rada po jednome zaposlenom radniku u odnosnome razdoblju.
Google translate:
12. Number of employees at the end of the period: average number of employees at the end of the period is determined as the average of the employed persons 1.1. and at the end of each trimester of the previous and the current including overseas employees. 13. Number of employees - working hours: average the number of employed persons on the basis of working hours shall be determined by: is the total number of hours worked in the annual period divided by the number of possible hours of work per single employee worker in the relevant period.
For number of employees that Hyundai article used one of Rimac PR articles. Like we know from before, that numbers are false:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
So again, I'm not making up those numbers, they are the latest officialy confirmed data - 316 employees, official data that just came in from official financial agency of Republic of Croatia, FINA, and and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them), and not some mumbo jumbo crap from PR of Rimac automobili.
Markkonen ( talk) 10:49, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
1. Can someone explain to me why is the official data from FINA and other financial services CORRECT for at least 20 compaines I am familiar with. Some of them are high profile companies with over 1000 employees, which regularly recruit and hire new employees? Only data for Rimac automobili are not correct. Can someone please explain why?
2. Because you must log in or in for some financial services pay to see that data, I have made screenshots and posted them, so no one needs to log in or pay, so your your argument is invalid.
3. Numbers from Rimac automobili are false year after year, regarding both number of employees and their salary:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
Proof from http://poslovna.hr/
https://abload.de/img/03vhkb5.png
Proof from https://infobiz.fina.hr/
https://abload.de/img/04uej8x.jpg
Proof from https://infobiz.fina.hr/ in English language
https://abload.de/img/05aukdm.jpg
Markkonen ( talk) 17:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
I have addressed estimates:
Can someone explain to me why is the official data from FINA and other financial services CORRECT for at least 20 compaines I am familiar with. Some of them are high profile companies with over 1000 employees, which regularly recruit and hire new employees? Only data for Rimac automobili are not correct. Can someone please explain why?
Markkonen ( talk) 18:16, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Sittinginsanfrancisco2 (
talk)
Markkonen - do those companies that you are referring to grow at a rate of 100+% per year? Is it so hard to understand how those services come up with those numbers based on simple mathematics? I will repeat it again for you - albeit you do not seem to understand it - or don't want to.
The figures are calculated based on average number of employees during the year, based on working hours. If you start the year with 100 employees, and end the year with 200 employees, and grow linearly between, the statistics will show that you have 150 employees during the year. And, that information is available for 2018, which is 6 months ago, so not relevant for such a high growing company. I would think that an official press release, but Hyundai, a huge company that is a shareholder in Rimac, is more relevant. Why are you ignoring this?
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I think mate Rimac needs his own Wikipedia page. Bobbyshabangu talk 12:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Is there a problem with listing Porsche as a 10% owner? References to back it up at
Companies buying large amount of shares in other companies is not an unusual thing, so I don't see why this has become a controversial topic. Stepho talk 01:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs: @ FlightTime Phone:
How do I write here, is this OK @Stepho-wrs? It's @Markkonen...
There is no problem about Porsche 10%, but it's already mantioned in the text...
Mate Rimac is the majority owner, others are:
Integrated Asset Management (Asia) Limited, The British Virgin Islands
China Dynamics (Holdings) Limited, Bermuda
NEW AUTOMOVILE DEVELOPMENT LLP, UK
Adriano Mudri, Austria
Ziad Tassabehji, UK
CONSULTING GROUP LIMITED, Hongkong
Paul E Runge, USA
Camel Group Co., Ltd., China
Porsche Engineering Group GmbH, Germany
You have it on record here:
https://sudreg.pravosudje.hr/registar/f?p=150:28:0::NO:28:P28_SBT_MBS:080712981
Also, there are other major problems with Mate Rimac, and Rimac automobili, and it is very controversial, and fiercely debated topic here in Croatia, but language barrier is the problem for others who don't know Croatian language... @Stepho-wrs, can you give me your email, so I can write you there? - Markkonen 06:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs:
List of all of the investors is in annual financial report, it is on the same link, click on - Pregledaj na stranicama RGFI - and download - Godišnje izvješće + Revizorsko izvješće s prilozima + Bilješke -, on the page 30 you have list of investors with percentages, I will make it easy for you, click here:
https://i.postimg.cc/zX8z1Mx4/0001.jpg
Annual financial report of 2018., will be done around June 2019., and should show 10.78% from Porsche Engineering Group GmbH, Germany
I think I have found your email, I will contact you, feel free to fully disclose those emails...~~~~
~~~~ Doesn't seem to work, or I am doing something wrong...
- Markkonen 20:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Kiksam: stop with disruptive editing, and do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point...
@ Stepho-wrs:
Markkonen ( talk) 19:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Entity | %December 2017 | % June 2018 |
---|---|---|
Mate Rimac | 62.5% | 56.25 |
Camel Group | 19.35 | 17.325 |
Porsche | 0 | 10 |
China Dynamics | 8.06 | 7.254 |
New Automobile Development | 4.84 | 4.356 |
@ Stepho-wrs: @ EdJohnston:
@ Stepho-wrs:
BTW Paul E Runge is the only known owner of Concept One, besides Applus IDIADA Volar-E, that is Spanish firm, that with collaboration with Rimac automobili bought Concept One, changed the outside, and presented it like their car, and took money from EU fonds...
https://www.applusidiada.com/en/new/volar-e-1340222851925
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-151_en.htm
Contract award procedure for EU fonds said that car needed to be completed in 4 months, and Mate Rimac is in many interviews proud of that, that him and few others slept in his garage and made that car in 4 months...
Also, Concept One is basically GTM kit car with electric engine:
https://www.factoryfive.com/gtm-supercar/
And other things are also bought, but you will read all about that when I translate all, like I said in email... Markkonen ( talk) 01:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs: @ FlightTime Phone:
@Stepho-wrs, please see what FlightTime is doing... Markkonen ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Markkonen - that is simply not true. I was looking it up - the Croatian agency FINA (and therefore all the other services that you are linking) are using total hours per year worked to get the average number of employees through out the year.
This is the metodology: ". Broj zaposlenih − stanje na temelju sati rada: prosječan broj zaposlenih radnika na bazi sati rada utvrđuje se tako da se ukupan broj ostvarenih sati rada u godišnjem razdoblju podijeli s brojem mogućih sati rada po jednome zaposlenom radniku u odnosnome razdoblju."
Google Translated:
"Number of employees - working hours: average the number of employed persons on the basis of working hours shall be determined by: is the total number of hours worked in the annual period divided by the number of possible hours of work per single employee worker in the relevant period."
https://misljenja.hr/dok/novosti/782/vij_init.pdf
I am using Google Translate as I don't speak Croatian but the point is clear.
I will explain it again to you - read it slowly, you might get it: If you start the year with 100 employees, and end the year with 200 employees, and grow linearly between, the statistics will show that you have 150 employees during the year. And, that information is available for 2018, which is 6 months ago, so not relevant for such a high growing company. I would think that an official press release, but Hyundai, a huge company that is a shareholder in Rimac, is more relevant. Why are you ignoring this? What is your agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sittinginsanfrancisco2 ( talk • contribs) 09:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Stepho-wrs: @ Kiksam:
Kiksam you are again reverting changes without explanation! Markkonen ( talk) 20:58, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
2. Concept One was announced - The production is limited to only 88 units, 10 to 15 cars per year. Tailored by the customer’s wishes every car is an exquisite masterpiece.
Later, they changed that to 8 - The production is limited to only 8 units, tailored by the customer’s wishes, every car is an exquisite masterpiece.
Strange, 8 units, and they have already sold 10.
3. Vecernji list is Croatian biggest newspaper, the text is from 2013., so it is not uotdated, the car was made in 2011. Also, the text is interview with Mate Rimac:
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
4. Crodriver is Mate Rimac on various forums. This is Factory Five forum:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3485-Holy-Moley
Most interesting parts:
„The integrity to give credit where it is due.“
„Crodriver went onto the other forum and deliberately deleted all his posts.“
„He took FFRs stuff, reworked it, and is now trying to pass it off as his own...and profit from it!“
„I have no problem with someone reworking something and wanting money for the improved product, but when they claim it to be 100% their creation...when climbing on the backs of other hard working people who they give NO credit to, well, yeah, then I have an issue with it.“
„He should should give credit where credit is due.“
6. Article from telegram is there because you can clearly see on the pictures, Mate Rimac sitting in Factory Five GTM kit car, and you can clearly see on the pictures boxes from Factory Five, and Factory Five logos on the boxes.
7. Mate Rimac/Rimac automobili are buying products from various companyes, and sell them as their own.
Just one example, in interview - Recite Al Jazeeri: Mate Rimac, he is saying that almost all components are made internally, in the house, from scratch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0Hi9fKjNI
R&D & hardcore manufacturing in-house
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-37qpjyy.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-38o5jc9.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-39u9kgn.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-40swj8i.jpg
So, let’s see "in the house” made from scratch electric motor:
But in fact that product is from USA, from company AMRacinginc:
Just look at that two smiling faces, just before shipping to Rimac automobili, I bet you would be smiling to, when a nice sum of money sits to your banking account...
Look how AMRacing have a nice video about R&D of that electric motor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFblZxNsl8
They are delivered on the stands. And look at them on this picture, maybe the saddest picture of all, when they are in Rimac automobili, on the same stands:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-slide8uf0n.jpg
"Inspiring new generations"...
What are we now going to say to children?
Also, Mate Rimac entered Croatian schools and he is already in school books:
Rimac, new Nikola Tesla:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-44w5jie.jpg
First electric car was made by Anyos Jedlik in 1828.
Children writing about Rimac:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-47tvkhj.jpg
Rimac haircut:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-54wmjx5.jpg
Most interesting part, school book:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-454ok0q.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-46yakbx.jpg
But in fact, first Croatian electric car was made a year before, in 2010., DOK-ING xD and was inttroduced in Geneva motorshow in 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nayp6GGBrYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOsoIDmlMSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf-_EnCviGA
So lies even in the school books...
8. Rimac is not making anything for Jaguar Cars!!! It is misleading! I have friends working on Jaguar I-PACE, first all-electric Jaguar, and 99% of them didn't even know Rimac existed until I have told them! Jaguar E‑type Zero concept car is made by Jaguar Land Rover Classic Works, they made one example of that car have some components from Rimac.
9. Rimac is not making anything for Seat!!! It is misleading! Seat Cupra e-Racer concept car is a project from Porsche Engineering Group GmbH. Rimac, Porsche, remember 10% ownership?
10. I didn't change anything about Concept Two.
11. Can we talk about Mate Rimac initial capital, and his father, Ivan Rimac? Both Mate Rimac and Ivan Rimac in numerous interviews says his father borrowed him the money.
Why don't you check father connections that are involved with the highest government officials?
His father was wanted by the Interpol, he was wanted for tax evasion in Germany, he was in prison in Serbia and Croatia, and has numerous affair, most known are RIM I ZOV, access road for Lidl, Slavonija DI, HNK Hajduk, Sibinj, and world famous Mossac Fonseca i Panama Papers which were also involved in Rimac automobili...
Croatian journalist Drago Hedl wrote about some of the affairs.
Why don't you check financial reports, and debts to companies owned by his father Ivan Rimac.
Also, why don't you check how much money is Croatian goverment is giving to him? And beside that, Rimac automobili finished the fiscal year of 2017. in minus of 43 million...
Why don't you check interview with Richard Hammond, you can use internet search engines and find - Richard Hammond discusses his Rimac crash, where Rimac says it was produced only 8 cars, but in article from 2011. - Rimac o Concept_Oneu: Kupci nam stižu sa svih strana svijeta, već smo ih prodali deset! where he says he sold 10 cars:
Also, do you remember the car which was introduced in Geneva in 2016, Concept S:
That one is also sold out:
https://www.tportal.hr/tehno/clanak/rimac-prodao-oba-concepta-s-evo-koliko-su-kostali-20170315
Also, Mate Rimac in the same interview with Richard Hammond declares that the car is privately owned, in possession of private buyer, but in the financial reports you can see the part where it says that - during the recording of the new Amazon series The Grand Tour, host, Richard Hammond completely damaged the Concept One car owned by the firm (Rimac automobili).
Why don’t you check the interview N1 Pressing: Mate Rimac (1.6.2015), at 28:55 in the interview he is saying the host, that his firm doesn’t have some holding company on British Virgin Islands, but in Court registry of commercial records there is Integrated Asset Management (Asia) Limited, from British Virgin Islands, and that firm is there from the moment of starting Rimac automobili. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrBTnQHbPM4
In the same interview at 42:00 Mate Rimac is saying that Rimac automobili have already developed the car that is driving by itself, without a driver, which would mean that in 2015. they had fifth level of autonomous driving, which is unbelievable, since no one it the world have made a car that is fourth level, newest Audi A8 D5 from 2018. Is only third level.
In the same interview he is saying that they have started on the project of building boats, that confirms the article from 2014. - NOVI POSLOVNI POTEZ MATE RIMCA Gradi prvu brzu električnu jahtu na svijetu
In the same interview Mate Rimac continues the story, saying they are working on the "personal watercraft" project, which is floating over the water, and 300 will be built in2015. And 1000 in 2016. And testings can be seen in the lake beside Sv. Nedelja.
In the same interview Mate Rimac is saying they are working on flying car and that they will need an airfield.
And so on, and so on, and so on, etc, etc, etc...
Markkonen ( talk) 00:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
There are other problems with Markonnen's editing, namely:
References
Also, start reading from the start in this talk page... Markkonen ( talk) 22:03, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Please start reading from the start in this talk page...
And yes, Concept One can only have /info/en/?search=Show_or_Display plates, because it is not homologated anywhere in the world. Even here in Croatia, you can't see it on regular plates, only on PP plates: https://www.cvh.hr/propisi-i-upute/pravilnici/zakon-o-sigurnosti-prometa-na-cestama/pravilnik-o-registraciji-i-oznacavanju-vozila/ Markkonen ( talk) 08:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
What wrong information and information not supported by the provided source am I writing?
Read what is Show or Display and what kind of plates are those:
/info/en/?search=Show_or_Display
Also, read this list:
https://icsw.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/Eligible%20Show%20or%20Display%20Vehicles%20Feb212017.xlsx
That list is from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, agency of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, part of the Department of Transportation.
/info/en/?search=National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration
Markkonen ( talk) 09:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
OK, how do you want to write it?
Markkonen ( talk) 09:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Why have you deleted - A limited production of 88 units was to be offered?
The Concept One has not received type approval in the United States, meaning that it must be imported under Show or Display - that is OK with me.
Sony battery thing? I don't know what are you talking about?
About A123 systems:
I doista, na baterijskom modulu “uvozne” su samo ćelije. One su proizvod poznate američke tvrtke A123 systems.
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
The cell selected for modelling is a high-performance cylindrical cell in the 26700 package developed by A123 Systems.
https://dspace.ut.ee/bitstream/handle/10062/60714/Dreija_MSc2018.pdf?...1...y
Markkonen ( talk) 17:33, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Here you go, I have edited:
1.The Concept One has not received type approval in the United States, meaning that it must be imported under Show or Display
2. Battery cells are from USA firm, A123 Systems
OK, then someone else removed that about 88 cars...
What cite is talking about Sony batteries?
Factory Five claim? I thought I have explained that, you also have pictures with that, and discussion of Factory Five forum, all explained before...
Source for x firms making x parts for Rimac is:
https://www.vecernji.hr/auti/samoborac-izradio-najbrzi-elektricni-auto-na-svijetu-319971
So ypu can see that Board Guardian is mentioned here:
https://www.vecernji.hr/auti/samoborac-izradio-najbrzi-elektricni-auto-na-svijetu-319971
Also you have Board Guardian pages:
http://www.boardguardian.hr/en/home/references
You can see Concept One, and Project „P2“ which is Applus+ IDIADA Volar-e.
For Rinehart Motion Systems, you can clearly see on various pictures, that is the same product.
Here is the latest one from Cupra e-Racer concept car:
https://abload.de/img/reinhart_cuprambkbf.png
https://www.rinehartmotion.com/standard.html
Also here on Tajima Rimac eRunner video on 2:43:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LLzOBrswA
https://www.rinehartmotion.com/uploads/5/1/3/0/51309945/pm250datasheet2.pdf
And Concept One:
http://quantumworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/QWC-SEV-RMS-PM100-150-250_Datasheets.pdf
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/lqnukbchhsy1bdplzgbg.png
https://jalopnik.com/the-fascinating-tech-behind-rimacs-two-220-mph-all-elec-1762444456
In fact, on Rinehart pages you have:
Specialty Vehicles Hillclimb Monster Tajima took First Place at the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb in the Electric Vehicle Class in 2013. This unit used 4 of our PM150DZR inverters, one at each wheel, with peak power just under 800kW. Tajima-san was back on the hill in June of this year and managed a second place OVERALL - both the first and second place electric vehicles beat every other vehicle on the hill including the Unlimited Class vehicles. Note that this is the first time, ever, that the EVs have beaten everything else at Pikes Peak. This year's car used 4 of our brand new PM250DZ inverters and managed just over 1MW of peak tractive effort.
https://www.rinehartmotion.com/motorsports.html
Sorry, I thought consensus was made.
If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
Markkonen ( talk) 03:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
OK, we can add Sony calls with A123 cells, do you agree with that?
Board Guardian is making and milling moulds. I can agree to change, making body parts to making and milling moulds. Is that OK with you?
Rinehart propulsion inverters are not just on Concept One, but on Tajima Rimac eRunner, Cupra e-Racer concept car, etd., you can clearly see that on the videos and pictures I have provided. Rimac will not tell anyone that is from Rinehart, because they are saying they are producing all by themselves, and it is the same story with electric engine, I also wrote about that before:
Mate Rimac/Rimac automobili are buying products from various companyes, and sell them as their own.
Just one example, in interview - Recite Al Jazeeri: Mate Rimac, he is saying that almost all components are made internally, in the house, from scratch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0Hi9fKjNI
R&D & hardcore manufacturing in-house
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-37qpjyy.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-38o5jc9.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-39u9kgn.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-forum-40swj8i.jpg
So, let’s see "in the house” made from scratch electric motor:
But in fact that product is from USA, from company AMRacinginc:
Just look at that two smiling faces, just before shipping to Rimac automobili, I bet you would be smiling to, when a nice sum of money sits to your banking account...
Look how AMRacing have a nice video about R&D of that electric motor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFblZxNsl8
They are delivered on the stands. And look at them on this picture, maybe the saddest picture of all, when they are in Rimac automobili, on the same stands:
https://abload.de/img/rimac-slide8uf0n.jpg
"Inspiring new generations"...
What are we now going to say to children?
Regarding Factory Five:
Crodriver is Mate Rimac on various forums. This is Factory Five forum:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3485-Holy-Moley
"After rereading the threads from the Crodriver poster on the other forum, he kept complaining about how FFR wouldn't send him any CAD work on the car even though he had one of the kits. I actually defended him, but it looks like David Borden and the FFR guys were right to not trust this guy.
He took FFRs stuff, reworked it, and is now trying to pass it off as his own...and profit from it!
I have no problem with someone reworking something and wanting money for the improved product, but when they claim it to be 100% their creation...when climbing on the backs of other hard working people who they give NO credit to, well, yeah, then I have an issue with it."
He even wanted CAD work for the car.
Mate Rimac -Crodriver on unofficial− Factory five forum:
https://www.ffcars.com/forums/42-factory-five-gtm-forum/229801-planing-1000hp-electric-gtm.html
Unfortunately nothing is saved on internet archive, but we also have this:
"The GTM was ordered 4 months ago."
And here you can see Mate Rimac in Factory Five GTM kit car:
Also, he deleted his posts on every forum he could. Why deleting everything if you have nothing to hide?
Markkonen ( talk) 18:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
I doista, na baterijskom modulu “uvozne” su samo ćelije. One su proizvod poznate američke tvrtke A123 systems.
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
The cell selected for modelling is a high-performance cylindrical cell in the 26700 package developed by A123 Systems.
https://dspace.ut.ee/bitstream/handle/10062/60714/Dreija_MSc2018.pdf?...1...y
Crodriver is Mate Rimac on various forums. This is Factory Five forum:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3485-Holy-Moley
"After rereading the threads from the Crodriver poster on the other forum, he kept complaining about how FFR wouldn't send him any CAD work on the car even though he had one of the kits. I actually defended him, but it looks like David Borden and the FFR guys were right to not trust this guy.
He took FFRs stuff, reworked it, and is now trying to pass it off as his own...and profit from it!
I have no problem with someone reworking something and wanting money for the improved product, but when they claim it to be 100% their creation...when climbing on the backs of other hard working people who they give NO credit to, well, yeah, then I have an issue with it."
He even wanted CAD work for the car.
Mate Rimac -Crodriver on unofficial− Factory five forum:
https://www.ffcars.com/forums/42-factory-five-gtm-forum/229801-planing-1000hp-electric-gtm.html
Unfortunately nothing is saved on internet archive, but we also have this:
"The GTM was ordered 4 months ago."
And here you can see Mate Rimac in Factory Five GTM kit car:
Also, he deleted his posts on every forum he could. Why deleting everything if you have nothing to hide?
Markkonen ( talk) 17:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
https://www.vecernji.hr/techsci/sve-tajne-koje-rimac-concept-one-cine-superautomobilom-532704
One su proizvod poznate američke tvrtke A123 systems.
That you don't see that it is written - Concept One, that does not need translation, which is mentioned several times, including in the headline of the article. I'm just going to say LOL to this...
Markkonen ( talk) 23:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Markkonen ( talk) 05:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Not one link, there are multiple links and pictures that confirms Factory Five claims... Regarding reliable sources, reliable source is not even Rimac himself because he is a proven liar. I would also suggest reading a story about Fisker, Twentieth Century Motor Car Corporation, Lightning GT, Gemballa, and Tucker (you even have a movie about that - Tucker: The Man and His Dream). Hell, even DMC DeLorean is not far off...
Markkonen ( talk) 23:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I disagree, there are several reliable links. Also you have deleted everything, and not just about Factory Five parts... Markkonen ( talk) 18:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I think we need some more unbiased opinions on this matter.
Markkonen ( talk) 03:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Anyway, more deception and lies from Rimac:
Iz Rimac Automobila potvrdili su da je njihova serija od 150 komada električnog automobila C-Two koji je predstavljen u Ženevi prije samo tri tjedna praktički rasprodana.
29. ožujka. 2018:
Krešo Ćorić, voditelj prodaje u Rimac Automobilima, rekao je na autoshowu u New Yorku za Autocar kako je prodano skoro svih 150 komada modela koje planiraju proizvesti, a čija je osnovna cijena 1,7 milijuna eura. Kupac ima mogućnost dodavanja različitih opcija, što može povećati cijenu vozila do još pola milijuna eura, no usprkos visokoj cijeni, onih koji žele u svom voznom parku "Rimčevu zvijer" očito ne nedostaje.
05. OŽUJKA 2019.
Interes je velik. Ne brinemo za prodaju, i koliko će primjeraka biti prodano, važnije nam je razviti automobil do kraja - zaključio je Rimac.
Ovdje je zanimljivo da su u Večernjem editirali tekst koji je u orginalu glasio: Neki su već prodani tajnim klijentima, a interes je velik. Ne brinemo za prodaju, i koliko će primjeraka biti prodano, važnije nam je razviti automobil do kraja - zaključio je Rimac
Original članak Večernjeg je prenio https://poskok.info/ovo-je-nova-verzija-super-automobila-c_two-rimac-otkrio-kada-krece-isporuka/ sa izbrisanim dijelom o tajnim klijentima koji se već pomalo izlizao, ne?
I don't know if you need translation again...
Markkonen ( talk) 03:21, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
It proves continuous lies from Mate Rimac, and Rimac automobili.
You can read the rest here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RGOpgHymSoDwB0WsaE3jeJPmE1YmWaSD/view
Markkonen ( talk) 22:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
User:Toasted Meter User:EdJohnston Stepho-wrs :@ Stepho-wrs: :@ Toasted Meter: :@ EdJohnston:
Who is going to correct lies from Rimac automobili?
Like I said before, they lie, and lie, and lie, and I was right.
This is just regarding for number of employees which is stated on Wikipedia - 482 employees
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
Also, credit worthiness/credit rating/solvency, I don't know which year in a row, D2, which is when you are recomended NOT to do business with the company.
Proof from http://poslovna.hr/
https://abload.de/img/03k2jj4.png
And like I already said, they are known for lying:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
And we have covered 2018. in the begining, so I'm not going to repeat that.
Markkonen ( talk) 01:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Four days later, still no answer from any of you?
User:Toasted Meter User:EdJohnston :@ Toasted Meter: :@ EdJohnston:
Markkonen ( talk) 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I did the edit myself, and I have removed Greyp, that is a different firm/company:
https://sudreg.pravosudje.hr/registar/f?p=150:28:0::NO:28:P28_SBT_MBS:080680892
We can make a new Wikipedia page about that company.
Markkonen ( talk) 18:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
This is data based on average working hours. If a company starts a year with 100 employees, and ends a year with 200 and grows linearly, this statistical data will show 150 employees, which is misleading. Additionally, we are now 6 months into 2019, so this sources have no meaning for such a fast growing company. There have been many articles that mention 500+ employees, including this announcement from Hyundai, which is a shareholder. This article was published yesterday, from a shareholder of the company so it is more relevant than your links. Therefore, I would assume that it is reasonable to state that the company has 500+ employees. https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/2805 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sittinginsanfrancisco2 ( talk • contribs) 09:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
You can ask:
Data which was stated on Wikipedia - 482 employees was from here on this date:
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
Also, credit worthiness/credit rating/solvency, I don't know which year in a row, D2, which is when you are recomended NOT to do business with the company.
Proof from http://poslovna.hr/
https://abload.de/img/03k2jj4.png
You have linked one article that mentiones 500 employees.
Here you have another one, they claim 550 employees, and link in the article leads to link you have mantioned, that claims 500+ employees.
Date of the articles: 01.07.2019
Here is one article from 20.03.2019, that claims 600 employees:
https://ebike-mtb.com/en/greyp-g6-review/
Also like I have written before, they are known for lying:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
And we have covered 2018. in the begining, so I'm not going to repeat that.
So again, latest officialy confirmed data - 316 employees, official data that just came in from official financial agency of Republic of Croatia, FINA, and and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them), and not some mumbo jumbo crap from PR of Rimac automobili. Markkonen ( talk) 19:35, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Sittinginsanfrancisco2 ( talk) 20:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Markkonen - that is simply not true. I was looking it up - the Croatian agency FINA (and therefore all the other services that you are linking) are using total hours per year worked to get the average number of employees through out the year.
This is the metodology: ". Broj zaposlenih − stanje na temelju sati rada: prosječan broj zaposlenih radnika na bazi sati rada utvrđuje se tako da se ukupan broj ostvarenih sati rada u godišnjem razdoblju podijeli s brojem mogućih sati rada po jednome zaposlenom radniku u odnosnome razdoblju."
Google Translated:
"Number of employees - working hours: average the number of employed persons on the basis of working hours shall be determined by: is the total number of hours worked in the annual period divided by the number of possible hours of work per single employee worker in the relevant period."
https://misljenja.hr/dok/novosti/782/vij_init.pdf
I am using Google Translate as I don't speak Croatian but the point is clear.
I will explain it again to you - read it slowly, you might get it: If you start the year with 100 employees, and end the year with 200 employees, and grow linearly between, the statistics will show that you have 150 employees during the year. And, that information is available for 2018, which is 6 months ago, so not relevant for such a high growing company. I would think that an official press release, but Hyundai, a huge company that is a shareholder in Rimac, is more relevant. Why are you ignoring this? What is your agenda?
Sittinginsanfrancisco2 You don't speak Croatian, but you managed to find https://misljenja.hr and that article. Here is what it says:
12. Broj zaposlenih krajem razdoblja: prosječan broj zaposlenih krajem razdoblja utvrđuje se kao prosjek stanja zaposlenih 1.1. i krajem svakog tromjesečja prethodne i tekuće godine, uključujući i zaposlene u inozemstvu.
13. Broj zaposlenih − stanje na temelju sati rada: prosječan broj zaposlenih radnika na bazi sati rada utvrđuje se tako da se ukupan broj ostvarenih sati rada u godišnjem razdoblju podijeli s brojem mogućih sati rada po jednome zaposlenom radniku u odnosnome razdoblju.
Google translate:
12. Number of employees at the end of the period: average number of employees at the end of the period is determined as the average of the employed persons 1.1. and at the end of each trimester of the previous and the current including overseas employees. 13. Number of employees - working hours: average the number of employed persons on the basis of working hours shall be determined by: is the total number of hours worked in the annual period divided by the number of possible hours of work per single employee worker in the relevant period.
For number of employees that Hyundai article used one of Rimac PR articles. Like we know from before, that numbers are false:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
So again, I'm not making up those numbers, they are the latest officialy confirmed data - 316 employees, official data that just came in from official financial agency of Republic of Croatia, FINA, and and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them), and not some mumbo jumbo crap from PR of Rimac automobili.
Markkonen ( talk) 10:49, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
1. Can someone explain to me why is the official data from FINA and other financial services CORRECT for at least 20 compaines I am familiar with. Some of them are high profile companies with over 1000 employees, which regularly recruit and hire new employees? Only data for Rimac automobili are not correct. Can someone please explain why?
2. Because you must log in or in for some financial services pay to see that data, I have made screenshots and posted them, so no one needs to log in or pay, so your your argument is invalid.
3. Numbers from Rimac automobili are false year after year, regarding both number of employees and their salary:
Rimac: Plaće u mojoj firmi su preko 10.000 kn neto
https://www.tportal.hr/biznis/clanak/rimac-place-u-mojoj-firmi-su-preko-10-000-kn-neto-20140930
Mate Rimac saying that average salary is 10.000 kn, date 30.09.2014
Official data/numbers on average salary:
3.533 kn
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparenbgje0.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2014-transparencxkwz.jpg
06.03.2016
http://www.seebiz.eu/rimac-automobili-ove-godine-udvostrucuju-broj-zaposlenih/ar-131435/
Rimac automobili will have 300 employees
1.11.2016
Rimac have 200 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 109
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparenm3j5h.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2016-transparen2mkvd.jpg
06.03.2017
Mate Rimac nije oprostio jalnim sunarodnjacima, pogledajte što je poručio 'dragim Hrvatima': Da, uspjeli smo skupiti 100 statista i poduplati ih u fotošopu...
Mate Rimac talking about number of employees to other "jealous" Croatians, saying they have 250 employees
Official data/numbers on number of employees: 163
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparen16k1b.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimac-2017-transparenudkhz.jpg
13.11.2018
As of October 2018, Rimac and Greyp number 429 full-time employees, or 482 with external collaborators and students.
https://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/press/news/rimac-grows-to-450plus-employees/
Mate Rimac trenutačno u svojoj kompaniji ima 429 radnika, odnosno njih čak 482 ako se pribroje vanjski suradnici i studenti.
New official data/numbers just came for FINA and other financial services (for most of this services you must pay to use them) for this fiscal year:
2018.:
Number of employees: 316
Average salary: 4.637 kn (that is 627,41 EUR, or 713,61 USD on this date 28.6.2019.), third year in a row lower average salary.
Period's profit/loss: -22.052.184 kn (minus/loss third year in a row).
Proof from https://www.transparentno.hr/
https://abload.de/img/014mjnl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/02qzjqi.jpg
Proof from http://poslovna.hr/
https://abload.de/img/03vhkb5.png
Proof from https://infobiz.fina.hr/
https://abload.de/img/04uej8x.jpg
Proof from https://infobiz.fina.hr/ in English language
https://abload.de/img/05aukdm.jpg
Markkonen ( talk) 17:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
I have addressed estimates:
Can someone explain to me why is the official data from FINA and other financial services CORRECT for at least 20 compaines I am familiar with. Some of them are high profile companies with over 1000 employees, which regularly recruit and hire new employees? Only data for Rimac automobili are not correct. Can someone please explain why?
Markkonen ( talk) 18:16, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Sittinginsanfrancisco2 (
talk)
Markkonen - do those companies that you are referring to grow at a rate of 100+% per year? Is it so hard to understand how those services come up with those numbers based on simple mathematics? I will repeat it again for you - albeit you do not seem to understand it - or don't want to.
The figures are calculated based on average number of employees during the year, based on working hours. If you start the year with 100 employees, and end the year with 200 employees, and grow linearly between, the statistics will show that you have 150 employees during the year. And, that information is available for 2018, which is 6 months ago, so not relevant for such a high growing company. I would think that an official press release, but Hyundai, a huge company that is a shareholder in Rimac, is more relevant. Why are you ignoring this?
Reverted an edit by 213.149.61.246. This section should remain for historical context, even if they did not follow up on their plans. TheManInTheBlackHat ( talk) 22:11, 27 November 2022 (UTC)