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This article was deleted in May 2006, [1] and became a re-direct to Terrorism. Although I have not read the earlier article, this topic has notablity and can be written from a neutral point of view using reliable sources, and I am therefore recreating the article per Wikipedia:Recreation of previously deleted pages. Also, I have archived the talk page which related to the earlier article. TFD ( talk) 18:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Certain sections of this article are nowere near neutral, hence the tag. I`ll go through the sources used as the first one i checked did not support the statement it is used for mark ( talk) 15:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
This might by a useful source: Protection officer training manual - Page 198. Not very academic, but lists useful generalizations on left- and right-wing terrorism. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 19:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Those are excerpts that pop up in Google books. [4] Will Beback talk 21:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I've reviewed the Aubrey book, and the remarks above. The "not in source" tag is erroneous, and I see nothing in the remarks above to support the POV tag. I have removed them for these reasons. – OhioStandard ( talk) 02:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
mark nutley, could you please explain this edit. *You have replaced the source from a section about right-wing terrorism, the name of the article, in a book about terrorism, to a section about the Michigan militias in a book about right-wing extremism.
In writing articles one should use the most relevant sources from the highest quality sources and reflect what they say say. Doing otherwise is the surest way to inject POV into an article.
TFD ( talk) 23:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
An editor has re-added a "dubious" cite tag with the notation, "re-added "dubious" tag. Show us the quote, not just the page number". The text is "Typically, right-wing terrorists are white power skinheads or right-wing hooligans". The cite is "Right-wing terrorism" in The roots of terrorism, which says, "The core of this movement, which includes skinheads, right-wing hooligans...." [6] Please note that it should have been fairly simple to find this quote. Ironically the editor who is now challenging the quote had earlier added the term "white power" [7] which is not in the original text and I will remove. TFD ( talk) 04:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The second paragraph of this article is clearly attempting to gloss over the issues, when compared to the similar left wing article:
Right: "Right-wing terrorists generally are inspired by 19th century and early 20th century nationalist writers such as Arthur de Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Heinrich von Treitschke."
Left: "Their ideology is heavily influenced by Marxist and other communist and socialist thought.[2] Narodnaya Volya, a 19th century terrorist group that killed tsar Alexander II of Russia in 1881"
Right: The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, right-wing hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides who believe that the state must rid itself of foreign elements in order to protect rightful citizens Left:"Their ideology is heavily influenced by Marxist and other communist and socialist thought..." "...and developed the concept of propaganda by the deed is a major influence"
In every possible way, at every possible turn, this article does its utmost to paint left wing events as cold, calculated and planned from within some hidden lair. Whereas the right-wing page, THIS page, just completely and utterly whitewashes over everything that could be counted as even a tiny bit make it sound like there was a coordinated effort or any real malice to it.
I have added sections on 9/11 (rightwing muslim), The Trouble in ireland (rightwing christianity), The Ku Klux Klan (rightwing christianity) and the Assassination of Dr. George Tiller by Scott Roeder (Rightwing Christianity) Chardansearavitriol ( talk) 11:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You need sources in order to add sections to the article. You may wish to read these articles and the sources provided for them. The SPLC does not refer to any of these groups or their actions as "right-wing terrorism". Right-wing terrorism is not terrorism carried out by right-wing groups, but is carried out with the objective of replacing established governments with nationalist or fascist-oriented governments. Left-wing terrorism aims to establish communist government.
Al Qaeda seeks to establish an Islamic Republic and is therefore considered to be a religious terrorist group. Ulster Loyalists, Klansmen and anti-abortionists do not seek to establish new governments and are grouped under nationalist and single issue terrorism.
If you can find sourced information about right-wing terrorism then by all means add it to the article. The problem is that few sources exist.
TFD ( talk) 17:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the intro. No original research please. In addition, Moghadam is not a reliable source; two published books, and the one frequently mentioned here is Six years old. I can find no meaningful information about this man, even on the amazon linked site. Please review reliable sources before posting extrapolations of their words on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chardansearavitriol ( talk • contribs) 11:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
You are actively attempting to steer the conversation by portraying the right wing as disorganized and incoherent, and act as if the left was a calculating monstrositiy. You skim everything out of this article that you can, and cram page after page of ultra detailed informaiton on world-wide leftwing terrorism. And I do not, for one second, believe that you could only find ONE reference that could be linked to without being in a book. Its entirely dishonest and you know it is. The one you linked to is from Nineteen Eighty-Five (1985!) Nothing newer at all? Not one newer website about right wing terrorism?
See also: Anarchist terrorism and Eco-terrorism"
You are whitewashing and leading people in a completely dishonest, rather pityable manner. Why dont you stop playing games, and act like a responsible community member by not going out of your way to pretend one side is monstrous and ignoring the other side's actions.
You have deleted any reference to anything before 1980. As if there was never any right wing terrorism before 1980. Yet find the time to put up detailed analysis of everything that could possibly be linked to the left. So why were my posts linking to the SPLC and talking about the attacks that have led the primary focus of the US military for the past decade not okay and "original research", but Books by Some Guys and One Website from a quarter century ago are perfectly valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chardansearavitriol ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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Passed by this page today and noted the line "The attacks on Norway was endorsed by American neo-Nazi media personalities Glenn Beck and Michael Savage." could we get references to these endorsements or comments of commendation? It would look better then having an non-sourced, non-neutral comment as it is above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeometricObjectsInSpace ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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It would be informative to include a section that covers the FBI's involvement in planning, coordinating, funding, and providing material support for right wing domestic terrorist "plots" which the FBI then acts against to indict the right wing domestics that join them in the FBI's plots.
There have been a number of newspaper articles covering the way that the FBI locates right wing extremists which express desires to commit Christian terrorism against the United States or against targets within the United States, after which the FBI "cultivates" the individuals (one such reference http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html ) and provides the hotel accomodations, planning, funding, transportation, and acquires the materials -- bombs, weapons et al. -- and then goes forward with the right wing terrorist plot until the last moment when it "rounds up" the individuals that the FBI "cultivated."
The vast majority of domestic right wing Christianic terrorism committed against the United States is at core committed by FBI agents which then "thwart" their own plots. The policy of doing so manages to sucker-in and indict hapless, low-intelligence right wingers who express desires to attack the United States but lack funding, planning, or other means to actually go forward with their wishful thinking.
Whether such a policy is useful or not or whether it actually gets bad guys off the streets is often debated, but the fact that the FBI constitutes the worse domestic terrorist organization operating within the United States should at least get a summary description.
Opinions? Comments? Damotclese ( talk) 18:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
A section has been added about Northern Ireland that is unsourced.
Ulster Unionists are not generally considered to be right-wing terrorists. They do not fit the definition in reliable sources as reported in the lead of this article: "draws its inspiration from a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, racism.... Incidents of this type of terrorism have been sporadic with little or no international cooperation. Their actions are generally poorly coordinated and there are few identifiable organizations.... The objective of right-wing terrorism is the overthrow existing governments and their replacement with nationalist or fascist-oriented governments. The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, right-wing hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides...."
The driving force of violence in Northern Ireland has always been ethnic conflict. In order to reinstate this section, we need to show that most scholars consider the basis of the conflict to be left-right ideology and provide sources.
TFD ( talk) 17:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I checked your sources:
None of the sources classify loyalist violence as "right-wing terrorism" and the sources used in the article classify it differently. They differ from right-wing terrorists in fundamental ways: their groups are larger, better organized and have international affiliations. They "claim responsibility" for their attacks. Their objectives relate to an ethnic dispute, and they are willing to negotiate. Their choice of targets differed.
TFD ( talk) 17:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Charleston shooting was politically motivated, I am not even sure why this is up for debate? https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/06/26/the-charleston-shooter-is-a-terrorist-the-federal-government-should-charge-him-as-one/ Beejsterb ( talk) 02:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
An editor moved this article on the basis that we should avoid labels such as terrorism. The guideline however is about labels for individuals and groups not for concepts. TFD ( talk) 17:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Many (not all) Islamic terrorist attacks are conducted by Salafists and others with similar far-right wing ideologies. Should these be posted here? Beejsterb ( talk) 03:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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@ HastyBriar321: said this in an edit summary:
How to find the list of incidents:
Hope that clears things up.
-- ChiveFungi ( talk) 11:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
McVeigh wanted to limit the power/intrusion of government. This is not right wing terrorism at all. Even other right wing groups like those of mussolini and hitler at least wanted to replace the current government with a new regime that was stronger, more integral, and corporate. This is not McVeigh. I have removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.221.117 ( talk) 23:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
It is well-known that Hitler was a left-winger. McVeigh was a left-wing terrorist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.10.2.5 ( talk) 21:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
"The 2017 Portland train attack (2 killed),"
I'm pretty sure that the Portland stabber was confirmed to be a Bernie supporter who was agaisnt Trump and was trying to frame Trump supporters as being violent. Seems like it should be taken off the list.
According to the source on the wiki page for his right wing extremism, he was apolitical eight years ago, and recent tweets supporting Bernie Sanders and Jill. Then suddenly he starts posting Nazi memes and whatnot. It really seems like he was either neutral or left wing. Either way, it's a bit contentious and I would be hesitant to put it on a list of right wing terrorist acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8806:3200:4B0:486A:CBD1:13DC:7CD5 ( talk) 21:10, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
This is really out of date. Just last week we had:
Volunteer Marek 18:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Further information seem to place more emphasis on the shooter's hatred for women as the motive for the shooting rather than his political beliefs. (e.g., https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/11/05/yoga-shooting-scott-beierle-fsu-strozier-library-gunman-myron-may-parallel-paths/1892816002/?fbclid=IwAR2m9RRKpgeFR-syOg0BIljW6HzN0xv3e0mg1WyUew1dZxceJptt1pd6y9Y)
So, having rethought it, I am removing my addition to the chart listing the shooting as right-wing terrorism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4C3:4081:4DB2:53D:B6CC:50E5:CAA5 ( talk) 19:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that there is no section on right-wing terrorism in the US for this article. There are several cases mentioned in the History section but there are more, recent and historical, examples.
The introductory section is contradicting what has been said in the talk page archives. It says that "The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, right-wing hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides who believe that the state must rid itself of foreign elements in order to protect rightful citizens." It seems to me that this would include the KKK as well as similar groups such at white power groups and various militias. It would also seem to include individuals/groups who have worked to terrorize immigrants and various religious groups such as, arguably, the recent shooting at the Sikh temple as well as a number of recent mosque burnings all of which are being considered cases of domestic terrorism by the FBI. This needs to be looked at but a discussion needs to be had. Ayzmo ( talk) 17:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that we could add a few more confirmed cases of right wing terrorism to the US list.
Matthew Riehl killed 1 injured 4 in Killing of Douglas County Deputy Sheriff in Colorado.
sources: http://www.newsweek.com/colorado-shooter-matthew-riehl-shared-alt-right-memes-facebook-767643
https://heavy.com/news/2017/12/matthew-reihl-zach-parrish/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/31/multiple- deputies-down-after-being-called-scene-denver/993297001/
William Atchison killed 2 students
Aztec High School Shooting in New Mexico.
http://www.newsweek.com/william-atchison-led-double-life-online-749363
/info/en/?search=Aztec_High_School_shooting
Nicholas Giampa. Killing of 2 parents of his girlfriend in Reston, Virginia.
Sources: https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/nicholas-giampa-nazi-nick-breedlove-photo-buckley-fricker-scott/
https://www.restonnow.com/2017/12/27/new-details-surface-in-the-murder-of-reston-couple/
Lane Maurice Davis. Killed his father Charles Davis for calling him Nazi (he was)in Skagit County Washington.
Foamy Latte ( talk) 06:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, now confirmed case of alt-right terrorism:
Nikolas Cruz. Killed 17 students, wounded 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. He had engraved swastikas in the ammunition magazines he had brought to the school. He also had a swastika and had written 'I hate niggers' on his backpack.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/parkland-shooter-swastikas_us_5a96a5c4e4b09c872bafe4af
Foamy Latte ( talk) 02:19, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
How are hate crimes different from terrorism, when they are politically motivated? Swastikas are a political symbol. Nazis are a political movement. Being pro Trump is a political stance. being a member of the alt-right is being part of a political movement. What are you not getting about these incidents? Foamy Latte ( talk) 06:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Why is the "Reconstruction era" section in here? The "white terrorism" against African Americans during the Reconstruction era was carried out by Democrats. Skingski ( talk) 16:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful to explain which organizations / individuals are responsible for the right-wing terrorist attacks and which organizations have a continually active presence in their respective countries. Hannahgoss ( talk) 16:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The articles about Left-Wing, Communist, Right-Wing and Islam, etc. are named "terrorism" while for Zionist "political violence" is used. All describe terrorist attacks as defined as in the Wikipedia article about terrorism ("Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or fear to achieve a religious or political aim. , see: /info/en/?search=Terrorism). We either have to change all to terrorism or all to political violence, everything else would not be neutral.
/info/en/?search=Islamic_terrorism /info/en/?search=Right-wing_terrorism /info/en/?search=Islamic_terrorism /info/en/?search=Communist_terrorism /info/en/?search=Zionist_political_violence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.225.226.214 ( talk) 01:48, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Not having a lot of time to extract and add useful things from How prevalent is far-right extremism? (BBC) right now, I was looking for the right page to park it on as "Further reading". I ended up on Right-wing terrorism, but it seems to me that there's a bit of a gap between actual terrorism and those extremist groups on the fringes, some verging on or committing acts of violence, random hate crimes, and suchlike: covert groups which foment hatred of certain others, some of which may confine themselves to inter-personal bragging or trolling social media, through those who try to go out of their way to get into conflicts with protesters or Antifa, to those who actually commit acts of violence (which may not qualify as terrorism because it's the odd random bashing or murder). I think we need something that isn't just Far-right politics but doesn't qualify as far-right terrorism. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 09:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The long list of incidents in the table under the US is making this article rather long, unwieldy, and US-centric. What about either moving it into its own article, or into a section within Domestic terrorism in the United States? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 08:02, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
This article has been mentioned in an extremist web site: right wing extremist web site link. I don't see any legitimate complaints about the content of the extant article here which would warrant any corrections since every complaint in the article fails to mention anything that's actually inaccurate, however that extremist article may lead to an increase in attacks on the extant article here, so editor volunteers need to be vigilant for vandalism of this article. SoftwareThing ( talk) 16:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
1. Many scary quotes remain, after my sample fixes.
2. Recent terror attacks are much too detailed:
...livestreamed the shootings on Facebook Live after announcing them on 8chan /pol/ (a centre of neo-Nazi/far-right discussion). Brenton Harrison Tarrant also praised various other far-right mass murderers and killers such as Anders Behring Breivik ...
Let us prune these. Zezen ( talk) 07:34, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Could someone please include these victims?
Source: ADL Heat Map
Extremist Murder 12/16/2005 Hamilton Township, NJ Right Wing (White Supremacist) Atlantic City Skinheads member Wilter Dille shot and killed an African-American woman as she as getting out of her car at a shopping center.
Extremist Murder
07/14/2007
Houston, TX
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
Aryan Circle member Dennis Clem shot and killed two African-American teens, and then fled with his girlfriend, Tanya Smith, to Bastrop, Louisiana.
Extremist Murder
12/8/2012
Sacramento, CA
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
Brian Keith Jones, Jr.,, a member of the Sacramaniacs, was convicted in December 2012 for shooting an African-American man due to a parking lot altercation.
Extremist Murder
12/16/2014
Tacoma, WA
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist James Wall is believed to have killed a black man during a drug deal. He later killed himself after a confrontation with law enforcement.
Extremist Murder
6/12/2014
Carlisle, IN
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist Anthony W. Reid stabbed and killed a fellow inmate, who was black. He responded to questions with racial slurs, and may have been responsible for an attack on a second black inmate.
Extremist Murder
8/22/2015
Binghamton, NY
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacists Ariana Edwards, 38, and Bradley Miles, 31, murdered a black man in his apartment.
Extremist Murder
8/21/2016
Fort Wayne, IN
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist Aaryn Snider, 31, confessed to the murder of a black man while serving time for failing to register as a sex offender.
Extremist Murder 8/10/2016 Gresham, OR Right Wing (White Supremacist) Russell Courtier, a member of the white supremacist group European Kindred, ran over and killed an African American man after they got into an argument.
Extremist Murder
6/19/2017
Century Correctional Institution, FL
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
Florida prison inmate Robert Hunt, 26, murdered an African-American fellow inmate. In a wrongful death suit, his murder victim's family claimed Hunt had a reputation as a white supremacist.
Extremist Murder 3/17/2018 Murfreesboro, TN Right Wing (White Supremacist) John Daniel Carothers, a resident of a Veteran Affairs assisted living home and a white supremacist, allegedly killed his African-American roommate by setting him on fire. He has been charged with first degree murder, aggravated arson and eight counts of reckless endangerment.
Extremist Murder 8/19/2018 Pittsburgh, PA Right Wing (White Supremacist) White supremacist Joden Rocco, 24, was charged with homicide after allegedly fatally stabbing an African-American man walking down the sidewalk outside a bar. Rocco had earlier posted a video in which he allegedly claimed that he and others were going to go to bars to see how many times they could say the n-word before being kicked out.
Extremist Murder 7/2/2018 Shawnee, KS Right Wing (White Supremacist) White supremacist Ronald Lee Tidwell was arrested for the stabbing murder of an African-American woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.112.133.20 ( talk) 09:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
It is not terrorism, as defined by the lead. Zezen ( talk) 07:38, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 12:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Right-wing terrorism → Far right terrorism – More common name. Unreal7 ( talk) 23:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
It seems a little strange to start the history in the US with the KKK in the 1870s, but not to cover Europe until the 1970s with Neo-Nazis. There were a number of far-right groups in pre-WWII Europe that used terrorist tactics, including the Nazis themselves before they came into power. And in a number of countries far-right groups using terrorist tactics go back as far as the 19th century, including the Black Hundreds in the Russian Empire.-- Pharos ( talk) 18:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Modern right-wing terrorism first emerged in North America during the Reconstruction era (1863–1877) and it later emerged in Western and Central Europe in the 1970s, and following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, it emerged in Eastern Europe.This is of course a reference to the first KKK, which indeed has been increasingly cited as fitting very well the modern definition of a terrorist group.-- Pharos ( talk) 13:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Islamic terrorism, like any other religious based terrorism, is right-wing terrorism. Saying otherwise is factually false. AHC300 ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
What happens when left-leaning political movements advocate religious-based terrorism? Would that not make this assumption false? 12.227.66.34 ( talk) 18:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't think so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.44.60 ( talk) 08:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
My opinion? Your source material is wrong bucko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.44.60 ( talk) 08:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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I suppose this article might support a conception of list of the above, although its scope is vaguely defined and unverifiable, so I'm noting the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of right-wing terrorist attacks. ~ cygnis insignis 12:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Sorry @ DePiep:, I made a small error in my edit summary. The exact same copy paste text in #Right-wing terrorism#Finland is also found in the article Far-right politics in Finland. It seems suboptimal to clutter this article with 9,000 bytes of copypaste text going into much detail about one country. WP:SIZESPLIT. If someone wants to read about Finnish right-wing terrorism in detail, then the main article would be far-right politics in Finland which indeed is linked in the section here. -- Sankari ( talk) 07:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Sankari: Inappropriate revert. Do not editwar. If you have a question, don't ask in the editsummary.
What I said was: no problem two texts appear in two articles. No reason to remove. What counts is that the aricle is encyclopedical, like complete & readible. If you cut out large parts, the consistency of the article is broken. And again, duplicate is not forbidden anyway. Now if you think the articles overlap, you can propose an article merge. So please revert your removal. - DePiep ( talk) 07:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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This article was deleted in May 2006, [1] and became a re-direct to Terrorism. Although I have not read the earlier article, this topic has notablity and can be written from a neutral point of view using reliable sources, and I am therefore recreating the article per Wikipedia:Recreation of previously deleted pages. Also, I have archived the talk page which related to the earlier article. TFD ( talk) 18:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Certain sections of this article are nowere near neutral, hence the tag. I`ll go through the sources used as the first one i checked did not support the statement it is used for mark ( talk) 15:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
This might by a useful source: Protection officer training manual - Page 198. Not very academic, but lists useful generalizations on left- and right-wing terrorism. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 19:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Those are excerpts that pop up in Google books. [4] Will Beback talk 21:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I've reviewed the Aubrey book, and the remarks above. The "not in source" tag is erroneous, and I see nothing in the remarks above to support the POV tag. I have removed them for these reasons. – OhioStandard ( talk) 02:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
mark nutley, could you please explain this edit. *You have replaced the source from a section about right-wing terrorism, the name of the article, in a book about terrorism, to a section about the Michigan militias in a book about right-wing extremism.
In writing articles one should use the most relevant sources from the highest quality sources and reflect what they say say. Doing otherwise is the surest way to inject POV into an article.
TFD ( talk) 23:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
An editor has re-added a "dubious" cite tag with the notation, "re-added "dubious" tag. Show us the quote, not just the page number". The text is "Typically, right-wing terrorists are white power skinheads or right-wing hooligans". The cite is "Right-wing terrorism" in The roots of terrorism, which says, "The core of this movement, which includes skinheads, right-wing hooligans...." [6] Please note that it should have been fairly simple to find this quote. Ironically the editor who is now challenging the quote had earlier added the term "white power" [7] which is not in the original text and I will remove. TFD ( talk) 04:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The second paragraph of this article is clearly attempting to gloss over the issues, when compared to the similar left wing article:
Right: "Right-wing terrorists generally are inspired by 19th century and early 20th century nationalist writers such as Arthur de Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Heinrich von Treitschke."
Left: "Their ideology is heavily influenced by Marxist and other communist and socialist thought.[2] Narodnaya Volya, a 19th century terrorist group that killed tsar Alexander II of Russia in 1881"
Right: The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, right-wing hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides who believe that the state must rid itself of foreign elements in order to protect rightful citizens Left:"Their ideology is heavily influenced by Marxist and other communist and socialist thought..." "...and developed the concept of propaganda by the deed is a major influence"
In every possible way, at every possible turn, this article does its utmost to paint left wing events as cold, calculated and planned from within some hidden lair. Whereas the right-wing page, THIS page, just completely and utterly whitewashes over everything that could be counted as even a tiny bit make it sound like there was a coordinated effort or any real malice to it.
I have added sections on 9/11 (rightwing muslim), The Trouble in ireland (rightwing christianity), The Ku Klux Klan (rightwing christianity) and the Assassination of Dr. George Tiller by Scott Roeder (Rightwing Christianity) Chardansearavitriol ( talk) 11:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You need sources in order to add sections to the article. You may wish to read these articles and the sources provided for them. The SPLC does not refer to any of these groups or their actions as "right-wing terrorism". Right-wing terrorism is not terrorism carried out by right-wing groups, but is carried out with the objective of replacing established governments with nationalist or fascist-oriented governments. Left-wing terrorism aims to establish communist government.
Al Qaeda seeks to establish an Islamic Republic and is therefore considered to be a religious terrorist group. Ulster Loyalists, Klansmen and anti-abortionists do not seek to establish new governments and are grouped under nationalist and single issue terrorism.
If you can find sourced information about right-wing terrorism then by all means add it to the article. The problem is that few sources exist.
TFD ( talk) 17:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the intro. No original research please. In addition, Moghadam is not a reliable source; two published books, and the one frequently mentioned here is Six years old. I can find no meaningful information about this man, even on the amazon linked site. Please review reliable sources before posting extrapolations of their words on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chardansearavitriol ( talk • contribs) 11:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
You are actively attempting to steer the conversation by portraying the right wing as disorganized and incoherent, and act as if the left was a calculating monstrositiy. You skim everything out of this article that you can, and cram page after page of ultra detailed informaiton on world-wide leftwing terrorism. And I do not, for one second, believe that you could only find ONE reference that could be linked to without being in a book. Its entirely dishonest and you know it is. The one you linked to is from Nineteen Eighty-Five (1985!) Nothing newer at all? Not one newer website about right wing terrorism?
See also: Anarchist terrorism and Eco-terrorism"
You are whitewashing and leading people in a completely dishonest, rather pityable manner. Why dont you stop playing games, and act like a responsible community member by not going out of your way to pretend one side is monstrous and ignoring the other side's actions.
You have deleted any reference to anything before 1980. As if there was never any right wing terrorism before 1980. Yet find the time to put up detailed analysis of everything that could possibly be linked to the left. So why were my posts linking to the SPLC and talking about the attacks that have led the primary focus of the US military for the past decade not okay and "original research", but Books by Some Guys and One Website from a quarter century ago are perfectly valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chardansearavitriol ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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Passed by this page today and noted the line "The attacks on Norway was endorsed by American neo-Nazi media personalities Glenn Beck and Michael Savage." could we get references to these endorsements or comments of commendation? It would look better then having an non-sourced, non-neutral comment as it is above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeometricObjectsInSpace ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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It would be informative to include a section that covers the FBI's involvement in planning, coordinating, funding, and providing material support for right wing domestic terrorist "plots" which the FBI then acts against to indict the right wing domestics that join them in the FBI's plots.
There have been a number of newspaper articles covering the way that the FBI locates right wing extremists which express desires to commit Christian terrorism against the United States or against targets within the United States, after which the FBI "cultivates" the individuals (one such reference http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html ) and provides the hotel accomodations, planning, funding, transportation, and acquires the materials -- bombs, weapons et al. -- and then goes forward with the right wing terrorist plot until the last moment when it "rounds up" the individuals that the FBI "cultivated."
The vast majority of domestic right wing Christianic terrorism committed against the United States is at core committed by FBI agents which then "thwart" their own plots. The policy of doing so manages to sucker-in and indict hapless, low-intelligence right wingers who express desires to attack the United States but lack funding, planning, or other means to actually go forward with their wishful thinking.
Whether such a policy is useful or not or whether it actually gets bad guys off the streets is often debated, but the fact that the FBI constitutes the worse domestic terrorist organization operating within the United States should at least get a summary description.
Opinions? Comments? Damotclese ( talk) 18:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
A section has been added about Northern Ireland that is unsourced.
Ulster Unionists are not generally considered to be right-wing terrorists. They do not fit the definition in reliable sources as reported in the lead of this article: "draws its inspiration from a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, racism.... Incidents of this type of terrorism have been sporadic with little or no international cooperation. Their actions are generally poorly coordinated and there are few identifiable organizations.... The objective of right-wing terrorism is the overthrow existing governments and their replacement with nationalist or fascist-oriented governments. The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, right-wing hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides...."
The driving force of violence in Northern Ireland has always been ethnic conflict. In order to reinstate this section, we need to show that most scholars consider the basis of the conflict to be left-right ideology and provide sources.
TFD ( talk) 17:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I checked your sources:
None of the sources classify loyalist violence as "right-wing terrorism" and the sources used in the article classify it differently. They differ from right-wing terrorists in fundamental ways: their groups are larger, better organized and have international affiliations. They "claim responsibility" for their attacks. Their objectives relate to an ethnic dispute, and they are willing to negotiate. Their choice of targets differed.
TFD ( talk) 17:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Charleston shooting was politically motivated, I am not even sure why this is up for debate? https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/06/26/the-charleston-shooter-is-a-terrorist-the-federal-government-should-charge-him-as-one/ Beejsterb ( talk) 02:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
An editor moved this article on the basis that we should avoid labels such as terrorism. The guideline however is about labels for individuals and groups not for concepts. TFD ( talk) 17:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Many (not all) Islamic terrorist attacks are conducted by Salafists and others with similar far-right wing ideologies. Should these be posted here? Beejsterb ( talk) 03:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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@ HastyBriar321: said this in an edit summary:
How to find the list of incidents:
Hope that clears things up.
-- ChiveFungi ( talk) 11:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
McVeigh wanted to limit the power/intrusion of government. This is not right wing terrorism at all. Even other right wing groups like those of mussolini and hitler at least wanted to replace the current government with a new regime that was stronger, more integral, and corporate. This is not McVeigh. I have removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.221.117 ( talk) 23:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
It is well-known that Hitler was a left-winger. McVeigh was a left-wing terrorist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.10.2.5 ( talk) 21:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
"The 2017 Portland train attack (2 killed),"
I'm pretty sure that the Portland stabber was confirmed to be a Bernie supporter who was agaisnt Trump and was trying to frame Trump supporters as being violent. Seems like it should be taken off the list.
According to the source on the wiki page for his right wing extremism, he was apolitical eight years ago, and recent tweets supporting Bernie Sanders and Jill. Then suddenly he starts posting Nazi memes and whatnot. It really seems like he was either neutral or left wing. Either way, it's a bit contentious and I would be hesitant to put it on a list of right wing terrorist acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8806:3200:4B0:486A:CBD1:13DC:7CD5 ( talk) 21:10, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
This is really out of date. Just last week we had:
Volunteer Marek 18:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Further information seem to place more emphasis on the shooter's hatred for women as the motive for the shooting rather than his political beliefs. (e.g., https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/11/05/yoga-shooting-scott-beierle-fsu-strozier-library-gunman-myron-may-parallel-paths/1892816002/?fbclid=IwAR2m9RRKpgeFR-syOg0BIljW6HzN0xv3e0mg1WyUew1dZxceJptt1pd6y9Y)
So, having rethought it, I am removing my addition to the chart listing the shooting as right-wing terrorism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4C3:4081:4DB2:53D:B6CC:50E5:CAA5 ( talk) 19:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that there is no section on right-wing terrorism in the US for this article. There are several cases mentioned in the History section but there are more, recent and historical, examples.
The introductory section is contradicting what has been said in the talk page archives. It says that "The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, right-wing hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides who believe that the state must rid itself of foreign elements in order to protect rightful citizens." It seems to me that this would include the KKK as well as similar groups such at white power groups and various militias. It would also seem to include individuals/groups who have worked to terrorize immigrants and various religious groups such as, arguably, the recent shooting at the Sikh temple as well as a number of recent mosque burnings all of which are being considered cases of domestic terrorism by the FBI. This needs to be looked at but a discussion needs to be had. Ayzmo ( talk) 17:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that we could add a few more confirmed cases of right wing terrorism to the US list.
Matthew Riehl killed 1 injured 4 in Killing of Douglas County Deputy Sheriff in Colorado.
sources: http://www.newsweek.com/colorado-shooter-matthew-riehl-shared-alt-right-memes-facebook-767643
https://heavy.com/news/2017/12/matthew-reihl-zach-parrish/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/31/multiple- deputies-down-after-being-called-scene-denver/993297001/
William Atchison killed 2 students
Aztec High School Shooting in New Mexico.
http://www.newsweek.com/william-atchison-led-double-life-online-749363
/info/en/?search=Aztec_High_School_shooting
Nicholas Giampa. Killing of 2 parents of his girlfriend in Reston, Virginia.
Sources: https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/nicholas-giampa-nazi-nick-breedlove-photo-buckley-fricker-scott/
https://www.restonnow.com/2017/12/27/new-details-surface-in-the-murder-of-reston-couple/
Lane Maurice Davis. Killed his father Charles Davis for calling him Nazi (he was)in Skagit County Washington.
Foamy Latte ( talk) 06:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, now confirmed case of alt-right terrorism:
Nikolas Cruz. Killed 17 students, wounded 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. He had engraved swastikas in the ammunition magazines he had brought to the school. He also had a swastika and had written 'I hate niggers' on his backpack.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/parkland-shooter-swastikas_us_5a96a5c4e4b09c872bafe4af
Foamy Latte ( talk) 02:19, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
How are hate crimes different from terrorism, when they are politically motivated? Swastikas are a political symbol. Nazis are a political movement. Being pro Trump is a political stance. being a member of the alt-right is being part of a political movement. What are you not getting about these incidents? Foamy Latte ( talk) 06:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Why is the "Reconstruction era" section in here? The "white terrorism" against African Americans during the Reconstruction era was carried out by Democrats. Skingski ( talk) 16:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful to explain which organizations / individuals are responsible for the right-wing terrorist attacks and which organizations have a continually active presence in their respective countries. Hannahgoss ( talk) 16:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The articles about Left-Wing, Communist, Right-Wing and Islam, etc. are named "terrorism" while for Zionist "political violence" is used. All describe terrorist attacks as defined as in the Wikipedia article about terrorism ("Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or fear to achieve a religious or political aim. , see: /info/en/?search=Terrorism). We either have to change all to terrorism or all to political violence, everything else would not be neutral.
/info/en/?search=Islamic_terrorism /info/en/?search=Right-wing_terrorism /info/en/?search=Islamic_terrorism /info/en/?search=Communist_terrorism /info/en/?search=Zionist_political_violence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.225.226.214 ( talk) 01:48, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Not having a lot of time to extract and add useful things from How prevalent is far-right extremism? (BBC) right now, I was looking for the right page to park it on as "Further reading". I ended up on Right-wing terrorism, but it seems to me that there's a bit of a gap between actual terrorism and those extremist groups on the fringes, some verging on or committing acts of violence, random hate crimes, and suchlike: covert groups which foment hatred of certain others, some of which may confine themselves to inter-personal bragging or trolling social media, through those who try to go out of their way to get into conflicts with protesters or Antifa, to those who actually commit acts of violence (which may not qualify as terrorism because it's the odd random bashing or murder). I think we need something that isn't just Far-right politics but doesn't qualify as far-right terrorism. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 09:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The long list of incidents in the table under the US is making this article rather long, unwieldy, and US-centric. What about either moving it into its own article, or into a section within Domestic terrorism in the United States? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 08:02, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
This article has been mentioned in an extremist web site: right wing extremist web site link. I don't see any legitimate complaints about the content of the extant article here which would warrant any corrections since every complaint in the article fails to mention anything that's actually inaccurate, however that extremist article may lead to an increase in attacks on the extant article here, so editor volunteers need to be vigilant for vandalism of this article. SoftwareThing ( talk) 16:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
1. Many scary quotes remain, after my sample fixes.
2. Recent terror attacks are much too detailed:
...livestreamed the shootings on Facebook Live after announcing them on 8chan /pol/ (a centre of neo-Nazi/far-right discussion). Brenton Harrison Tarrant also praised various other far-right mass murderers and killers such as Anders Behring Breivik ...
Let us prune these. Zezen ( talk) 07:34, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Could someone please include these victims?
Source: ADL Heat Map
Extremist Murder 12/16/2005 Hamilton Township, NJ Right Wing (White Supremacist) Atlantic City Skinheads member Wilter Dille shot and killed an African-American woman as she as getting out of her car at a shopping center.
Extremist Murder
07/14/2007
Houston, TX
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
Aryan Circle member Dennis Clem shot and killed two African-American teens, and then fled with his girlfriend, Tanya Smith, to Bastrop, Louisiana.
Extremist Murder
12/8/2012
Sacramento, CA
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
Brian Keith Jones, Jr.,, a member of the Sacramaniacs, was convicted in December 2012 for shooting an African-American man due to a parking lot altercation.
Extremist Murder
12/16/2014
Tacoma, WA
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist James Wall is believed to have killed a black man during a drug deal. He later killed himself after a confrontation with law enforcement.
Extremist Murder
6/12/2014
Carlisle, IN
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist Anthony W. Reid stabbed and killed a fellow inmate, who was black. He responded to questions with racial slurs, and may have been responsible for an attack on a second black inmate.
Extremist Murder
8/22/2015
Binghamton, NY
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacists Ariana Edwards, 38, and Bradley Miles, 31, murdered a black man in his apartment.
Extremist Murder
8/21/2016
Fort Wayne, IN
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist Aaryn Snider, 31, confessed to the murder of a black man while serving time for failing to register as a sex offender.
Extremist Murder 8/10/2016 Gresham, OR Right Wing (White Supremacist) Russell Courtier, a member of the white supremacist group European Kindred, ran over and killed an African American man after they got into an argument.
Extremist Murder
6/19/2017
Century Correctional Institution, FL
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
Florida prison inmate Robert Hunt, 26, murdered an African-American fellow inmate. In a wrongful death suit, his murder victim's family claimed Hunt had a reputation as a white supremacist.
Extremist Murder 3/17/2018 Murfreesboro, TN Right Wing (White Supremacist) John Daniel Carothers, a resident of a Veteran Affairs assisted living home and a white supremacist, allegedly killed his African-American roommate by setting him on fire. He has been charged with first degree murder, aggravated arson and eight counts of reckless endangerment.
Extremist Murder 8/19/2018 Pittsburgh, PA Right Wing (White Supremacist) White supremacist Joden Rocco, 24, was charged with homicide after allegedly fatally stabbing an African-American man walking down the sidewalk outside a bar. Rocco had earlier posted a video in which he allegedly claimed that he and others were going to go to bars to see how many times they could say the n-word before being kicked out.
Extremist Murder 7/2/2018 Shawnee, KS Right Wing (White Supremacist) White supremacist Ronald Lee Tidwell was arrested for the stabbing murder of an African-American woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.112.133.20 ( talk) 09:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
It is not terrorism, as defined by the lead. Zezen ( talk) 07:38, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 12:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Right-wing terrorism → Far right terrorism – More common name. Unreal7 ( talk) 23:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
It seems a little strange to start the history in the US with the KKK in the 1870s, but not to cover Europe until the 1970s with Neo-Nazis. There were a number of far-right groups in pre-WWII Europe that used terrorist tactics, including the Nazis themselves before they came into power. And in a number of countries far-right groups using terrorist tactics go back as far as the 19th century, including the Black Hundreds in the Russian Empire.-- Pharos ( talk) 18:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Modern right-wing terrorism first emerged in North America during the Reconstruction era (1863–1877) and it later emerged in Western and Central Europe in the 1970s, and following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, it emerged in Eastern Europe.This is of course a reference to the first KKK, which indeed has been increasingly cited as fitting very well the modern definition of a terrorist group.-- Pharos ( talk) 13:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Islamic terrorism, like any other religious based terrorism, is right-wing terrorism. Saying otherwise is factually false. AHC300 ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
What happens when left-leaning political movements advocate religious-based terrorism? Would that not make this assumption false? 12.227.66.34 ( talk) 18:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't think so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.44.60 ( talk) 08:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
My opinion? Your source material is wrong bucko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.44.60 ( talk) 08:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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I suppose this article might support a conception of list of the above, although its scope is vaguely defined and unverifiable, so I'm noting the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of right-wing terrorist attacks. ~ cygnis insignis 12:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Sorry @ DePiep:, I made a small error in my edit summary. The exact same copy paste text in #Right-wing terrorism#Finland is also found in the article Far-right politics in Finland. It seems suboptimal to clutter this article with 9,000 bytes of copypaste text going into much detail about one country. WP:SIZESPLIT. If someone wants to read about Finnish right-wing terrorism in detail, then the main article would be far-right politics in Finland which indeed is linked in the section here. -- Sankari ( talk) 07:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Sankari: Inappropriate revert. Do not editwar. If you have a question, don't ask in the editsummary.
What I said was: no problem two texts appear in two articles. No reason to remove. What counts is that the aricle is encyclopedical, like complete & readible. If you cut out large parts, the consistency of the article is broken. And again, duplicate is not forbidden anyway. Now if you think the articles overlap, you can propose an article merge. So please revert your removal. - DePiep ( talk) 07:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)