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Seeking RS-quality confirmation we can use. So far there's a tweet from Edward Dutton, and a VDARE obituary based on the tweet. So the tweet is all we've got. I mean I don't doubt it, Lynn was 93, but awaiting something less deprecated - David Gerard ( talk) 19:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Is this really the best source we can find? Slatersteven ( talk) 11:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
It's now been a week, has there been any confirmation from RS? Slatersteven ( talk) 11:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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This is about him being dead, not the correctness of his views. If you can't bring an RS saying he is dead (or at the very least an official notice by his family) this whole thread is a waste of time. This is not a wp:forium or wp:soapbox, about him. Slatersteven ( talk) 15:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC) |
Since there's been ongoing efforts to edit the article to imply Lynn's death, it may be worth simply quoting the WP:BLP policy here:
Anyone born within the past 115 years (on or after 9 August 1908 [update]) is covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their death.
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Lynn may very well be dead, but we need to wait until reliable sources report it before saying or implying it here. WP:THEREISNORUSH Generalrelative ( talk) 22:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
It's likely one of his former co-authors will write an obituary in a journal friendly towards them. The constant comments suggesting Wikipedia editors are not including it because of 'personal biases' would be better served reading the relevant pages on reliable secondary sources. Zenomonoz ( talk) 06:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
This article says Lynn "advocates for a genetic relationship between race and intelligence". Aside from the fact that the article needs to be updated because of his passing, this sentence is also flawed. One cannot "advocate" for a scientific fact. You can advocate for a change in policy but you cannot advocate for or against nature. You cannot be an advocate for a blue sky. Even if Lynn was wrong, you cannot be an advocate for a red sky. You can't advocate for something you cannot change. 99.6.61.222 ( talk) 15:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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The article should be changed to reflect the fact that Richard Lynn died in July 2023. 62.167.37.182 ( talk) 21:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Haven’t he died? RodRabelo7 ( talk) 21:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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Seeking RS-quality confirmation we can use. So far there's a tweet from Edward Dutton, and a VDARE obituary based on the tweet. So the tweet is all we've got. I mean I don't doubt it, Lynn was 93, but awaiting something less deprecated - David Gerard ( talk) 19:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Is this really the best source we can find? Slatersteven ( talk) 11:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
It's now been a week, has there been any confirmation from RS? Slatersteven ( talk) 11:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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This is about him being dead, not the correctness of his views. If you can't bring an RS saying he is dead (or at the very least an official notice by his family) this whole thread is a waste of time. This is not a wp:forium or wp:soapbox, about him. Slatersteven ( talk) 15:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC) |
Since there's been ongoing efforts to edit the article to imply Lynn's death, it may be worth simply quoting the WP:BLP policy here:
Anyone born within the past 115 years (on or after 9 August 1908 [update]) is covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their death.
Note that per BLP:
Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced–whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.
Lynn may very well be dead, but we need to wait until reliable sources report it before saying or implying it here. WP:THEREISNORUSH Generalrelative ( talk) 22:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
It's likely one of his former co-authors will write an obituary in a journal friendly towards them. The constant comments suggesting Wikipedia editors are not including it because of 'personal biases' would be better served reading the relevant pages on reliable secondary sources. Zenomonoz ( talk) 06:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
This article says Lynn "advocates for a genetic relationship between race and intelligence". Aside from the fact that the article needs to be updated because of his passing, this sentence is also flawed. One cannot "advocate" for a scientific fact. You can advocate for a change in policy but you cannot advocate for or against nature. You cannot be an advocate for a blue sky. Even if Lynn was wrong, you cannot be an advocate for a red sky. You can't advocate for something you cannot change. 99.6.61.222 ( talk) 15:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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The article should be changed to reflect the fact that Richard Lynn died in July 2023. 62.167.37.182 ( talk) 21:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Haven’t he died? RodRabelo7 ( talk) 21:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)