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the most recent edit contains material close to slander on Brodhead. I am adding a NPOV tag and giving the author 24 hours to edit his own material, along with sources. if he does not, I will be removing it and changing it to:
At Duke University, Brodhead is currently criticized by some for acting against workers' rights. These issues mainly revolve around Angelica Corporation, to whom the University's Health System outsourced its laundry, and the implementation of a "living wage" for university employees. Bubbachuck 16:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
edited last paragraph for NPOV. Prev author gave no sources for heavily biased statements. Bubbachuck 01:07, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In deciding to remove the link to http://www.palestineconference.com from the main text, I used the analogy of a man who makes a controversial decision that is tangentially related to why he is famous. should that decision have a link to its parenting organization? to me, no, it would seem too much like an advertisement. IF the link was to an Wikipedia article such as Palestine Conference, which is NPOV, THEN i would say, yes the link has merit. as to an off-Wikipedia site, i'd say we'd be treading on dangerous waters to use Brodhead's biography as a launching site for a controversial subject. i'd appreciate thoughts on this matter. -- Bubbachuck 04:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
A summary of the dispute: There has long been a paragraph in this article that mentions that on the first day of Brodhead's presidency at Duke, Coach K threatened to leave. NatusRoma thinks that it is very important that this fact not be in the article. I will leave it to him or her to describe why this is so important. As of the last edit, the paragraph in question read:
I believe it should be in the article. It is a verifiable fact that Coach K threatened to leave on Brodhead's first day. I believe that it is relevant to people who seek to understand Brodhead's tenure so far at Duke. NatusRoma has demanded that I prove by citing a reliable source that the story is important to understanding Brodhead's tenure. I hold that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia policy. As I understand it, one does not need to show that a verifiable source has stated a fact's importance--only its accuracy. It's an editorial judgment (that is, what we editors do) to decide whether it's important.
My read of policy is common sense. Not a single one of the facts in this article has a source that says that it's important. Why is the fact that Brodhead was a member of Manuscript in the article? Can you show me a verifiable source that says that it's important? No. It's there so that a reader interested in Brodhead can learn it and make his or her own interpretive judgment.
If I were to write "Krzyzewki's threat to leave is important because it shows that Brodhead is under the thumb of the athletic department," or "Some people argue that Krzyzewki's threat to leave is important because it shows that Brodhead is under the thumb of the athletic department," I agree that I'd need a reliable source that backed me up. (I think I could find it, though, since I know I've read that somewhere in the voluminous coverage of the lacrosse scandal.) But that's not what's written here--instead we're putting in a verifiable fact that is relevant in the biography of the subject.
Having an edit war about this is dumb. Can we get some other opinions please? 71.77.12.236 01:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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the most recent edit contains material close to slander on Brodhead. I am adding a NPOV tag and giving the author 24 hours to edit his own material, along with sources. if he does not, I will be removing it and changing it to:
At Duke University, Brodhead is currently criticized by some for acting against workers' rights. These issues mainly revolve around Angelica Corporation, to whom the University's Health System outsourced its laundry, and the implementation of a "living wage" for university employees. Bubbachuck 16:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
edited last paragraph for NPOV. Prev author gave no sources for heavily biased statements. Bubbachuck 01:07, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In deciding to remove the link to http://www.palestineconference.com from the main text, I used the analogy of a man who makes a controversial decision that is tangentially related to why he is famous. should that decision have a link to its parenting organization? to me, no, it would seem too much like an advertisement. IF the link was to an Wikipedia article such as Palestine Conference, which is NPOV, THEN i would say, yes the link has merit. as to an off-Wikipedia site, i'd say we'd be treading on dangerous waters to use Brodhead's biography as a launching site for a controversial subject. i'd appreciate thoughts on this matter. -- Bubbachuck 04:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
A summary of the dispute: There has long been a paragraph in this article that mentions that on the first day of Brodhead's presidency at Duke, Coach K threatened to leave. NatusRoma thinks that it is very important that this fact not be in the article. I will leave it to him or her to describe why this is so important. As of the last edit, the paragraph in question read:
I believe it should be in the article. It is a verifiable fact that Coach K threatened to leave on Brodhead's first day. I believe that it is relevant to people who seek to understand Brodhead's tenure so far at Duke. NatusRoma has demanded that I prove by citing a reliable source that the story is important to understanding Brodhead's tenure. I hold that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia policy. As I understand it, one does not need to show that a verifiable source has stated a fact's importance--only its accuracy. It's an editorial judgment (that is, what we editors do) to decide whether it's important.
My read of policy is common sense. Not a single one of the facts in this article has a source that says that it's important. Why is the fact that Brodhead was a member of Manuscript in the article? Can you show me a verifiable source that says that it's important? No. It's there so that a reader interested in Brodhead can learn it and make his or her own interpretive judgment.
If I were to write "Krzyzewki's threat to leave is important because it shows that Brodhead is under the thumb of the athletic department," or "Some people argue that Krzyzewki's threat to leave is important because it shows that Brodhead is under the thumb of the athletic department," I agree that I'd need a reliable source that backed me up. (I think I could find it, though, since I know I've read that somewhere in the voluminous coverage of the lacrosse scandal.) But that's not what's written here--instead we're putting in a verifiable fact that is relevant in the biography of the subject.
Having an edit war about this is dumb. Can we get some other opinions please? 71.77.12.236 01:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
The article needs to be cleaned up per WP:BLP. This article is not a venue to make attacks against the subject, and especially not a venue to bring personal grudges (See WP:BATTLE). Please remember, per BLP:
Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material – whether negative, positive, or just questionable – about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia
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