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He's most well-known among some for his Star Wars version of Manilow's "Copacabana", which probably could have been a minor hit, except that it's never had a real commercial release due to potential legal problems. It doesn't seem to be discussed on this page or the "Copacabana (song)" page... AnonMoos ( talk) 14:18, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello. "He did later rerelease these tracks as Richard Cheese" is not exactly accurate. These songs were released as bonus tracks on the Richard Cheese album, but they are still by Mark Jonathan Davis. I am working on a Mark Jonathan Davis page, too. Thank you. Richardcheese2 ( talk) 12:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Mark, I see that you undid the edit where I've been trying to reduce the promotional tone of the article. I would recommend that you propose edits here instead of editing the article directly. Maybe it would be helpful for you to read the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Slashme ( talk) 13:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
There are a few issues here that I'll try and separate:
If you take a look at the page history of Mark Jonathan Davis you'll see that User:wiae noticed that the page was a copyright violation of your website, and User:Mz7 responded by expunging the infringing revisions from the page history. I know what you're going to say: you wrote that, so you have the right to put it on Wikipedia. That doesn't work: at the bottom of your website, it says "(C) Copyright 1982-2017 Mark Jonathan Davis", not "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License". Even if you have confirmed your real-world identity, we can't just take copyrighted material. -- Slashme ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I added "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" to my markjonathandavis.com website, and I re-created the Mark Jonathan Davis page with different writing.
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I think it's quite plausible that you as person are independently notable, as is the Richard Cheese character. However, in the absence of a properly written Wikipedia article referenced to reliable, independent sources (i.e. not your own website!), redirecting it as it is at the moment is probably the most useful state for our readers. -- Slashme ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
First off, thanks for actually identifying yourself and interacting with us. That makes it possible for us to have an open discussion. I also get that you're doing your best to figure Wikipedia out. With that said, have you read Wikipedia:Autobiography? I think I've directed you to it before. The " TL;DR" version is "We have biographies here, not autobiographies. Avoid writing or editing an article about yourself, other than to correct unambiguous errors of fact."
When an article has been written with a promotional tone, it's like a steak that's fallen in the toilet. It takes a lot of work to clean it up, and it probably still won't taste right. That's why we sometimes take the "blow it up and start over" approach! -- Slashme ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
I am considering an AfD for this and all related articles - clearly part of a massive autobiographical walled garden with essentially no sources even with that issue being pointed out (see comments by Slashme I see nothing that supports any notability. Peter Rehse ( talk) 16:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Gentlemen -- Thanks for your comments. I would like to make it clear that it is not my intention to self-promote; I updated the Richard Cheese Wikipedia page -- which has been out of date for many years == with the current and accurate information. I hope you understand that I am not 'refusing' to provide any sources, I simply do not know how to provide sources for this stuff, both technically (because I am not Wikipedia savvy) and factually. For example, how do I provide a source for my band's discography or our tour history or our TV appearances? The Richard Cheese & Lounge Against The Machine band has been performing for 17 years, we've released 20 albums, we've been on national TV shows and so forth. That in itself should be justification for keeping the page on wikipedia. And, I would think that the information on the official website (richardcheese.com) for the band should be satisfactory documentation. If it's not, then please tell me how I'm supposed to provide sources for all this stuff? I honestly don't know.
Meanwhile, I created the Mark Jonathan Davis Wikipedia page because I am an established actor with a variety of verified screen credits. I am registered with the Screen Actor's Guild. I have been a guest star on several primetime programs. My name appears in the credits of numerous TV series, movies, etc. Richard Cheese is just one of the things I have done. So why can't the Mark Jonathan Davis page exist on its own?
I realize that I am a 'newbie' to the ways of Wikipedia, but I don't think it's fair to presume that I am intentionally attempting anything malicious, dishonest, disingenuous, or self-serving. I am not trying to be egregious at anything; I just wanted to update the Wikipedia pages to include current and accurate information. Instead of assuming the worst, perhaps you can please tell me what specific things I need to write to make this acceptable?
Thank you. Sincerely, MJD Richardcheese2 ( talk) 06:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I've reverted the claim that Davis offered a refund to Kickstarter backers in October 2018, the claim that Covid delayed publication, and the announcement of a new working title [1].
(Redacted) Yappy2bhere ( talk) 22:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know when Mark Jonathan Davis and Rob Izenberg released "We Love Barney Fife". I can't find any documented info anywhere. Broadway64200 ( talk) 16:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
The Richard Cheese discography is missing a few releases.
These albums should be added to the list:
"The Royal Baby Album" (digital only) (2013) (Coverage Records)
"Cocktails With Santa" (2013) (Coverage Records)
These albums are verified on Spotify and listed on iTunes:
https://music.apple.com/us/album/cocktails-with-santa/1508584518
https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-royal-baby-album/1506696017
There is also a compilation album missing from the list:
"Mucho Queso Collection: 17 Complete Albums by Richard Cheese" (digital only) (2021) (Coverage Records)
Here it is on Bandcamp:
https://richardcheese.bandcamp.com/album/mucho-queso-collection
And, there is a new Richard Cheese compilation album being released on July 30, 2021 which should be added to the Compilation Albums section:
"Snappier Than Ever: The Original Songs" (digital only) (2021) (Coverage Records)
The album is currently on pre-sale on iTunes:
https://music.apple.com/us/album/snappier-than-ever-the-original-songs/1575769661
Also, I think the Discography section should be moved so it precedes the Film Work section.
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He's most well-known among some for his Star Wars version of Manilow's "Copacabana", which probably could have been a minor hit, except that it's never had a real commercial release due to potential legal problems. It doesn't seem to be discussed on this page or the "Copacabana (song)" page... AnonMoos ( talk) 14:18, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello. "He did later rerelease these tracks as Richard Cheese" is not exactly accurate. These songs were released as bonus tracks on the Richard Cheese album, but they are still by Mark Jonathan Davis. I am working on a Mark Jonathan Davis page, too. Thank you. Richardcheese2 ( talk) 12:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Mark, I see that you undid the edit where I've been trying to reduce the promotional tone of the article. I would recommend that you propose edits here instead of editing the article directly. Maybe it would be helpful for you to read the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Slashme ( talk) 13:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
There are a few issues here that I'll try and separate:
If you take a look at the page history of Mark Jonathan Davis you'll see that User:wiae noticed that the page was a copyright violation of your website, and User:Mz7 responded by expunging the infringing revisions from the page history. I know what you're going to say: you wrote that, so you have the right to put it on Wikipedia. That doesn't work: at the bottom of your website, it says "(C) Copyright 1982-2017 Mark Jonathan Davis", not "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License". Even if you have confirmed your real-world identity, we can't just take copyrighted material. -- Slashme ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I added "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" to my markjonathandavis.com website, and I re-created the Mark Jonathan Davis page with different writing.
Richardcheese2 (
talk)
07:39, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it's quite plausible that you as person are independently notable, as is the Richard Cheese character. However, in the absence of a properly written Wikipedia article referenced to reliable, independent sources (i.e. not your own website!), redirecting it as it is at the moment is probably the most useful state for our readers. -- Slashme ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
First off, thanks for actually identifying yourself and interacting with us. That makes it possible for us to have an open discussion. I also get that you're doing your best to figure Wikipedia out. With that said, have you read Wikipedia:Autobiography? I think I've directed you to it before. The " TL;DR" version is "We have biographies here, not autobiographies. Avoid writing or editing an article about yourself, other than to correct unambiguous errors of fact."
When an article has been written with a promotional tone, it's like a steak that's fallen in the toilet. It takes a lot of work to clean it up, and it probably still won't taste right. That's why we sometimes take the "blow it up and start over" approach! -- Slashme ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
I am considering an AfD for this and all related articles - clearly part of a massive autobiographical walled garden with essentially no sources even with that issue being pointed out (see comments by Slashme I see nothing that supports any notability. Peter Rehse ( talk) 16:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Gentlemen -- Thanks for your comments. I would like to make it clear that it is not my intention to self-promote; I updated the Richard Cheese Wikipedia page -- which has been out of date for many years == with the current and accurate information. I hope you understand that I am not 'refusing' to provide any sources, I simply do not know how to provide sources for this stuff, both technically (because I am not Wikipedia savvy) and factually. For example, how do I provide a source for my band's discography or our tour history or our TV appearances? The Richard Cheese & Lounge Against The Machine band has been performing for 17 years, we've released 20 albums, we've been on national TV shows and so forth. That in itself should be justification for keeping the page on wikipedia. And, I would think that the information on the official website (richardcheese.com) for the band should be satisfactory documentation. If it's not, then please tell me how I'm supposed to provide sources for all this stuff? I honestly don't know.
Meanwhile, I created the Mark Jonathan Davis Wikipedia page because I am an established actor with a variety of verified screen credits. I am registered with the Screen Actor's Guild. I have been a guest star on several primetime programs. My name appears in the credits of numerous TV series, movies, etc. Richard Cheese is just one of the things I have done. So why can't the Mark Jonathan Davis page exist on its own?
I realize that I am a 'newbie' to the ways of Wikipedia, but I don't think it's fair to presume that I am intentionally attempting anything malicious, dishonest, disingenuous, or self-serving. I am not trying to be egregious at anything; I just wanted to update the Wikipedia pages to include current and accurate information. Instead of assuming the worst, perhaps you can please tell me what specific things I need to write to make this acceptable?
Thank you. Sincerely, MJD Richardcheese2 ( talk) 06:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I've reverted the claim that Davis offered a refund to Kickstarter backers in October 2018, the claim that Covid delayed publication, and the announcement of a new working title [1].
(Redacted) Yappy2bhere ( talk) 22:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know when Mark Jonathan Davis and Rob Izenberg released "We Love Barney Fife". I can't find any documented info anywhere. Broadway64200 ( talk) 16:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
The Richard Cheese discography is missing a few releases.
These albums should be added to the list:
"The Royal Baby Album" (digital only) (2013) (Coverage Records)
"Cocktails With Santa" (2013) (Coverage Records)
These albums are verified on Spotify and listed on iTunes:
https://music.apple.com/us/album/cocktails-with-santa/1508584518
https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-royal-baby-album/1506696017
There is also a compilation album missing from the list:
"Mucho Queso Collection: 17 Complete Albums by Richard Cheese" (digital only) (2021) (Coverage Records)
Here it is on Bandcamp:
https://richardcheese.bandcamp.com/album/mucho-queso-collection
And, there is a new Richard Cheese compilation album being released on July 30, 2021 which should be added to the Compilation Albums section:
"Snappier Than Ever: The Original Songs" (digital only) (2021) (Coverage Records)
The album is currently on pre-sale on iTunes:
https://music.apple.com/us/album/snappier-than-ever-the-original-songs/1575769661
Also, I think the Discography section should be moved so it precedes the Film Work section.
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contribs)
23:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)