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There is a correlation between "revolutionary waves" and heights of the 11.5 year sunspot cycle. Most of them happen for a the few years that are the top of the cycle because the electromagnetic energy sends negative ionization into atmosphere which is known to hep people up. I've been aware of this since 70s and have experienced the ups and downs 3 times as a political activist (1979; 89; 2000). I've written an article with some WP:RS and have been meaning to put this info into several article after I beef it up with most recent references, but FYI if you want to check out my article and the topic. It's called "Sunspot Cycles and Activist Strategy." 2012-14 is going to be very hot. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 02:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the post-WW2 period of anti-colonial revolutions also a revolutionary wave? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.107.153.99 ( talk) 20:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Just searching "revolutionary wave" on books/scholar/news.google I found it used by a number of people as a general description of the phenomena, not just Marxists, and also that many refs mention specific revolutions, allowing refs to be applied where there currently are none. One of many articles I'd love to beef up. But just encouragement to anyone else who wants to beef up the article first. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 01:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has suggested that many of the examples given are not appropriate, and that the entire article has a Marxist bias. The examples certainly need references, but a two-second search returns Revolutions and Revolutionary Waves, which gives the wave starting in 1917 as one of its major examples - and I can't imagine anyone seriously disputing that it should be included. Warofdreams talk 14:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
This article is full of biased wording and examples (some indeed semi-respectable) which are at worst thumbsucked and at best a matter of opinion. I have tried to whittle it down a lot: the supposed unity of the revolutions of 1905-1911 seem to be the pet theory of a particular Wikipedian, which is unacceptable (see the talk page there). the African revolutions, which here are put forward very definitely as a wave, were similar in that they happened in the same continent, in the decades after independence, and were responding to similar economic strife. They had some causes in common - but to consider the South West African Border War and the Dergue overthrow of the Selassie regime to be part of the same wave is just silly. Whatever your views, it's an interpretative opinion, not fit for an encyclopedia. Similarly for some of the others on the list. And one revolution isn't a wave, either. And the 'given as...' disclaimer-phrase at the top doesn't neutralise later wording.
Also, the statement about the importance to Marxists, and the quote from Comrade Luxemburg (pbuh) are not appropriate so early on in the article, before the major examples are even given. This isn't a specifically Socialist forum. Their wording is otherwise neutral, so I have put it further down. Before I get trolled, I consider myself quite cynical of all politics to the point that my fantasy utopia is quite anarchic (and non-revolutionary), but uncompromising ideologues with a sacred doctrine, be it left-wing, right-wing or religious, must understand where the line is drawn for what can go into an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.138.201 ( talk) 14:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Apologies - did not mean to head towards an edit war. Yes, I agree it's uncontroversial that the 1917-1923 was a revolutionary wave. I think I deleted it accidentally while deleting one of the other rather more extremely iffy ones. The comment about a Marxist bias (a simple observation, and not meant in a McCarthyan way) was a reaction to the opening paragraph, not to the 1917-1923 revolutions, which should obviously be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.138.201 ( talk) 15:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Revolutionary wave's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "afp":
Reference named "15october":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
The article is currently full of late 20th and early 21st century Protest movements, these are not the same as Revolutions and not all of them could even be called "waves". I mean the Occupy Movement is not a Revolutionary movement, because it uses only peaceful means to try to lobby the government for change, it created a world-wide protest wave, but not a Revolutionary wave. These should be removed. -- Hibernian ( talk) 04:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
This is a significant and fascinating article IMHO. I've done research on this, summarized at www.terror-rhythm.blogspot.com and reached similar conclusions. Revolutions happen in clusters, and when they do, they cause deep trouble in the world. not immediately, but after a time-lag of 70-80 years. After the revolution there is expansionism followed by political midlife crisis, political stagnation and ending in state collapse
Why 70-80 years? 'The lifetime of a regime has obvious parallels to the human lifespan' according to Geoff Mulgan. He echoed Ibn Khaldun in the Muqadimmah who saw dynasties lasting for 'three generations'. For example;
SYNTH is that a distant cause of world war one was the cluster of revolutions in the 1840's, especially in Austria, Turkey, (Russia in 1825?). Distant cause of world war two was the wave of revolutions in the 1860's in Germany, Italy, Japan, the US.
The cluster of collapses in the 1990's (USSR, White south Africa, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia,) could not have happened without the post-WW1 revolutionary wave.
Since the 1960's were also a decade of revolutions ( neoconservatism, Chinese cultural revolution, student revolts, Six day war), what does that suggest for the future, say in the 2030's? Thucydides Trap suggests that China and US may already be on a collision course.
How to incorporate these thoughts into this article, that's the thing. Crawiki ( talk) 12:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
That said, I perceive the following in respect to the US;
With specific reference to WW2, Lebanon, India, Saudi Arabia, Japan and Korea saw revolutionary changes in the immediate postwar period and if the past is any guide to the future, any 'imminent shifts' ie collapse might well occur here. Crawiki ( talk) 15:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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There is a correlation between "revolutionary waves" and heights of the 11.5 year sunspot cycle. Most of them happen for a the few years that are the top of the cycle because the electromagnetic energy sends negative ionization into atmosphere which is known to hep people up. I've been aware of this since 70s and have experienced the ups and downs 3 times as a political activist (1979; 89; 2000). I've written an article with some WP:RS and have been meaning to put this info into several article after I beef it up with most recent references, but FYI if you want to check out my article and the topic. It's called "Sunspot Cycles and Activist Strategy." 2012-14 is going to be very hot. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 02:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the post-WW2 period of anti-colonial revolutions also a revolutionary wave? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.107.153.99 ( talk) 20:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Just searching "revolutionary wave" on books/scholar/news.google I found it used by a number of people as a general description of the phenomena, not just Marxists, and also that many refs mention specific revolutions, allowing refs to be applied where there currently are none. One of many articles I'd love to beef up. But just encouragement to anyone else who wants to beef up the article first. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 01:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has suggested that many of the examples given are not appropriate, and that the entire article has a Marxist bias. The examples certainly need references, but a two-second search returns Revolutions and Revolutionary Waves, which gives the wave starting in 1917 as one of its major examples - and I can't imagine anyone seriously disputing that it should be included. Warofdreams talk 14:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
This article is full of biased wording and examples (some indeed semi-respectable) which are at worst thumbsucked and at best a matter of opinion. I have tried to whittle it down a lot: the supposed unity of the revolutions of 1905-1911 seem to be the pet theory of a particular Wikipedian, which is unacceptable (see the talk page there). the African revolutions, which here are put forward very definitely as a wave, were similar in that they happened in the same continent, in the decades after independence, and were responding to similar economic strife. They had some causes in common - but to consider the South West African Border War and the Dergue overthrow of the Selassie regime to be part of the same wave is just silly. Whatever your views, it's an interpretative opinion, not fit for an encyclopedia. Similarly for some of the others on the list. And one revolution isn't a wave, either. And the 'given as...' disclaimer-phrase at the top doesn't neutralise later wording.
Also, the statement about the importance to Marxists, and the quote from Comrade Luxemburg (pbuh) are not appropriate so early on in the article, before the major examples are even given. This isn't a specifically Socialist forum. Their wording is otherwise neutral, so I have put it further down. Before I get trolled, I consider myself quite cynical of all politics to the point that my fantasy utopia is quite anarchic (and non-revolutionary), but uncompromising ideologues with a sacred doctrine, be it left-wing, right-wing or religious, must understand where the line is drawn for what can go into an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.138.201 ( talk) 14:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Apologies - did not mean to head towards an edit war. Yes, I agree it's uncontroversial that the 1917-1923 was a revolutionary wave. I think I deleted it accidentally while deleting one of the other rather more extremely iffy ones. The comment about a Marxist bias (a simple observation, and not meant in a McCarthyan way) was a reaction to the opening paragraph, not to the 1917-1923 revolutions, which should obviously be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.138.201 ( talk) 15:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Revolutionary wave's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "afp":
Reference named "15october":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
The article is currently full of late 20th and early 21st century Protest movements, these are not the same as Revolutions and not all of them could even be called "waves". I mean the Occupy Movement is not a Revolutionary movement, because it uses only peaceful means to try to lobby the government for change, it created a world-wide protest wave, but not a Revolutionary wave. These should be removed. -- Hibernian ( talk) 04:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
This is a significant and fascinating article IMHO. I've done research on this, summarized at www.terror-rhythm.blogspot.com and reached similar conclusions. Revolutions happen in clusters, and when they do, they cause deep trouble in the world. not immediately, but after a time-lag of 70-80 years. After the revolution there is expansionism followed by political midlife crisis, political stagnation and ending in state collapse
Why 70-80 years? 'The lifetime of a regime has obvious parallels to the human lifespan' according to Geoff Mulgan. He echoed Ibn Khaldun in the Muqadimmah who saw dynasties lasting for 'three generations'. For example;
SYNTH is that a distant cause of world war one was the cluster of revolutions in the 1840's, especially in Austria, Turkey, (Russia in 1825?). Distant cause of world war two was the wave of revolutions in the 1860's in Germany, Italy, Japan, the US.
The cluster of collapses in the 1990's (USSR, White south Africa, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia,) could not have happened without the post-WW1 revolutionary wave.
Since the 1960's were also a decade of revolutions ( neoconservatism, Chinese cultural revolution, student revolts, Six day war), what does that suggest for the future, say in the 2030's? Thucydides Trap suggests that China and US may already be on a collision course.
How to incorporate these thoughts into this article, that's the thing. Crawiki ( talk) 12:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
That said, I perceive the following in respect to the US;
With specific reference to WW2, Lebanon, India, Saudi Arabia, Japan and Korea saw revolutionary changes in the immediate postwar period and if the past is any guide to the future, any 'imminent shifts' ie collapse might well occur here. Crawiki ( talk) 15:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)