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Originally stated: Subsequently, the website for the organization was hacked (presumably by the "
Anon" group of
4chan), temporarily redirecting web traffic to pictures of Muhammad.
[1]
Changed to:
Subsequently, the Revolution Muslim website was hacked, temporarily redirecting web traffic to pictures of Muhammad.
[2]
Removed unsubstantiated reference to Anon from 4chan. Anonymous can not be stated to be from 4chan. The reference supplied does not mention anon, anonymous or 4chan. Also cleared up ambiguity about which (Revolution Muslim or Comedy Central) website was hacked. -- 121.210.240.128 ( talk) 00:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
References
Hi Sorry I am not to wiki savoy. Yousef al-Khattab has retired from the position of Amir/CEO of Revolution Muslim on 12/12/09 http://revolutionmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2117:upwards-a-onwards-yousef-al-khattab&catid=1:yousefalkhattab&Itemid=4 is the link on the RM site confirming this.
Removed "The site is now deactivated, possibly in response to recent criticism and unwanted attention from the media." It is speculation without a source. The DoS attack might get coverage but until then it isn't necessary or appropriate to add speculation. Cptnono ( talk) 14:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The scarriest part about Revolution Muslim isn't the fact that they remind me of a thirteen year old girl with their panties in a wad, but their stance towards the abolition of bears and/or all fury wildlife. It has been rumored, or atleast speculated, Revolution Muslim has declared a beary, beary big Jihad against anything bear related, making me question whether or not they have their bear necessities in order. They have aimed at discrediting Smokey the Bear by teaching robots to prevent forest fires, burned every Berenstain Bears book available on Amazon.com, and have even escalated their bear Jihad against the Charmin Bear! Makes you question whether Allah is a prophet or a gun-toting member of the NRA. I think all red-blooded American's, like myself, know that the Muslim Revolution isn't upset due to the depiction of their prophet in a bear costume, but because Santa never came and visited them:( They aren't mad, they're just still upset about leaving Santa their evening couscous and tomatoes and getting nothing but made fun of beary, beary much in return.
All praise be to Matt Stone and Trey Parker! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.183.109 ( talk) 21:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
This group is currently no more notable than a house-burglar featured on the local news. They are being discussed in the media solely because of the larger Southpark-Muhammad controversy, and they just happened to be the first "Muslim" group to produce a newsbit blasting them for it. The rest of the stuff about who ran the organization, why they retired, and that they hand out fliers around mosques in NY is not worthy of being in Wikipedia. I say delete. 74.92.180.145 ( talk) 15:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
"This is some extreme—and I would repeat the word extreme two or three times—fringe group that's making a name for itself issuing bizarre statements," Ibrahim Hooper of the Council of American-Islam relations, tells me.
"This group that made this statement has no credibility in Muslim community."
Why on Earth is a group made up of 5 to 10 individuals as stated in the article, given any attention? They stated that they are against the South Park episode but we are still writing about a group made up of up to 10 persons who have some sort of point of view. Just Afd this. Since when is a 10 person group advocating a position something meaningful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GaussianCopula ( talk • contribs) 16:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
This group is widely seen as being a 'fake' one by many who've looked into them (it was started by Yousef al Khattab/Joseph Cohen who was a settler in the Israeli settlement of Gush Katif and all its members appear to be former orthodox Jews). The 'conversion' of al Khattab occured over the internet and there's a lot of skepticism about it and everything else involving these guys. (Are they for real?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.88.84.168 ( talk) 13:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The website the group had, had been shut down by the web-host, should it be included in the article seeing as how it's just basically a dead external link. Deus257 ( talk) 02:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
As of November 1, 2010 the website is still being updated but still redirects from the webhost. However, you can access the website from the cache page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.250.212 ( talk) 16:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Please add the following:
"A movement to counter the threats of Revolution Muslim was started on April 23, 2010, by the Revolution Muslim Protest 2010 group. The purpose of this group is to start nationwide protests that will deter threats or acts of violence on the part of radical American Muslims."
A link for this is: [ [2]]
Revolution Muslim ( talk) 06:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Not done
Revolution Muslim is back up to some extent via blogspot.
http://revolutionmuslim.blogspot.com/
Should be added to the External Links section 72.4.83.53 ( talk) 19:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
"...that advocates the
1. re-establishment of a structured Islamic state
2. terrorism both in the United States and in democratic countries around the world
3. the removal of the current rulers in heavily Muslim populated nations
4. the destruction of Israel
5. an end to what they consider "western imperialism".
These statements need to be sourced IMO, particularly statement number 2.
ZeLonewolf (
talk)
11:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Regarding my revert [3] of a recent rewrite of the lede, I can't go over them all but there are a number of problems here:
All in all, as a point-of-view thing, I think it's pretty obvious just what kind of group they are so whether we come out and label them as fringe, antisemitic, etc., or not, doesn't affect the bias of the article. We don't need to hit the reader over the head with it, they'll get the point. - Wikidemon ( talk) 11:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
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help)Aren't most of these guys, if not all, converts? If so, it should be mentioned. FunkMonk ( talk) 22:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Duane Reasoner was mentioned by mainstream press as contacting Revolution Muslim for advice as youtube comments with a reply. Since he and Hasan were likely talking about ji-hobbyist topics such as martyrdom operations, and Hasan was consulting with Awlaki as well, this is a connection that has been investigated by the press and various blogs which also believe that Hasan himself likely was also in contact with Revolution Muslim, and may have assisted in making the connection to Awlaki, though so far there is no evidence of a direct connection between Awlaki and RM besides the obvious similarity in positions - both Awlaki and RM were he only web pages noted to issue bold web statements celebrating Hasan as a hero. RM was also featured on a CNN web article just hours before the shooting, the corresponding video was aired only AFTER the shooting that evening. The Jewish Defence organization names Reasoner, Awlaki and RM as co-conspirators, even if the FBI evidently did not interview or seek interviews with any of them in connection with the shootings. Any additional help in sourcing these connections well enough for inclusion would be appreciated. It is not helpful for the number of editors who have simply deleted sourced edits on Reasoner on the basis he has no relevance to the topic of the shootings. Bachcell ( talk) 14:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Please add at least one citation for this or I think it should be removed. I cannot find any source at all (unreliable or reliable) that even claims the website has been banned in any country or Saudi Arabia. Also, if it has been banned in "Many" Muslim countries could you please specify which exactly? Anon12356 ( talk) 01:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
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Originally stated: Subsequently, the website for the organization was hacked (presumably by the "
Anon" group of
4chan), temporarily redirecting web traffic to pictures of Muhammad.
[1]
Changed to:
Subsequently, the Revolution Muslim website was hacked, temporarily redirecting web traffic to pictures of Muhammad.
[2]
Removed unsubstantiated reference to Anon from 4chan. Anonymous can not be stated to be from 4chan. The reference supplied does not mention anon, anonymous or 4chan. Also cleared up ambiguity about which (Revolution Muslim or Comedy Central) website was hacked. -- 121.210.240.128 ( talk) 00:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
References
Hi Sorry I am not to wiki savoy. Yousef al-Khattab has retired from the position of Amir/CEO of Revolution Muslim on 12/12/09 http://revolutionmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2117:upwards-a-onwards-yousef-al-khattab&catid=1:yousefalkhattab&Itemid=4 is the link on the RM site confirming this.
Removed "The site is now deactivated, possibly in response to recent criticism and unwanted attention from the media." It is speculation without a source. The DoS attack might get coverage but until then it isn't necessary or appropriate to add speculation. Cptnono ( talk) 14:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The scarriest part about Revolution Muslim isn't the fact that they remind me of a thirteen year old girl with their panties in a wad, but their stance towards the abolition of bears and/or all fury wildlife. It has been rumored, or atleast speculated, Revolution Muslim has declared a beary, beary big Jihad against anything bear related, making me question whether or not they have their bear necessities in order. They have aimed at discrediting Smokey the Bear by teaching robots to prevent forest fires, burned every Berenstain Bears book available on Amazon.com, and have even escalated their bear Jihad against the Charmin Bear! Makes you question whether Allah is a prophet or a gun-toting member of the NRA. I think all red-blooded American's, like myself, know that the Muslim Revolution isn't upset due to the depiction of their prophet in a bear costume, but because Santa never came and visited them:( They aren't mad, they're just still upset about leaving Santa their evening couscous and tomatoes and getting nothing but made fun of beary, beary much in return.
All praise be to Matt Stone and Trey Parker! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.183.109 ( talk) 21:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
This group is currently no more notable than a house-burglar featured on the local news. They are being discussed in the media solely because of the larger Southpark-Muhammad controversy, and they just happened to be the first "Muslim" group to produce a newsbit blasting them for it. The rest of the stuff about who ran the organization, why they retired, and that they hand out fliers around mosques in NY is not worthy of being in Wikipedia. I say delete. 74.92.180.145 ( talk) 15:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
"This is some extreme—and I would repeat the word extreme two or three times—fringe group that's making a name for itself issuing bizarre statements," Ibrahim Hooper of the Council of American-Islam relations, tells me.
"This group that made this statement has no credibility in Muslim community."
Why on Earth is a group made up of 5 to 10 individuals as stated in the article, given any attention? They stated that they are against the South Park episode but we are still writing about a group made up of up to 10 persons who have some sort of point of view. Just Afd this. Since when is a 10 person group advocating a position something meaningful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GaussianCopula ( talk • contribs) 16:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
This group is widely seen as being a 'fake' one by many who've looked into them (it was started by Yousef al Khattab/Joseph Cohen who was a settler in the Israeli settlement of Gush Katif and all its members appear to be former orthodox Jews). The 'conversion' of al Khattab occured over the internet and there's a lot of skepticism about it and everything else involving these guys. (Are they for real?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.88.84.168 ( talk) 13:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The website the group had, had been shut down by the web-host, should it be included in the article seeing as how it's just basically a dead external link. Deus257 ( talk) 02:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
As of November 1, 2010 the website is still being updated but still redirects from the webhost. However, you can access the website from the cache page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.250.212 ( talk) 16:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Please add the following:
"A movement to counter the threats of Revolution Muslim was started on April 23, 2010, by the Revolution Muslim Protest 2010 group. The purpose of this group is to start nationwide protests that will deter threats or acts of violence on the part of radical American Muslims."
A link for this is: [ [2]]
Revolution Muslim ( talk) 06:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Not done
Revolution Muslim is back up to some extent via blogspot.
http://revolutionmuslim.blogspot.com/
Should be added to the External Links section 72.4.83.53 ( talk) 19:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
"...that advocates the
1. re-establishment of a structured Islamic state
2. terrorism both in the United States and in democratic countries around the world
3. the removal of the current rulers in heavily Muslim populated nations
4. the destruction of Israel
5. an end to what they consider "western imperialism".
These statements need to be sourced IMO, particularly statement number 2.
ZeLonewolf (
talk)
11:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Regarding my revert [3] of a recent rewrite of the lede, I can't go over them all but there are a number of problems here:
All in all, as a point-of-view thing, I think it's pretty obvious just what kind of group they are so whether we come out and label them as fringe, antisemitic, etc., or not, doesn't affect the bias of the article. We don't need to hit the reader over the head with it, they'll get the point. - Wikidemon ( talk) 11:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
{{
cite news}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help)Aren't most of these guys, if not all, converts? If so, it should be mentioned. FunkMonk ( talk) 22:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Duane Reasoner was mentioned by mainstream press as contacting Revolution Muslim for advice as youtube comments with a reply. Since he and Hasan were likely talking about ji-hobbyist topics such as martyrdom operations, and Hasan was consulting with Awlaki as well, this is a connection that has been investigated by the press and various blogs which also believe that Hasan himself likely was also in contact with Revolution Muslim, and may have assisted in making the connection to Awlaki, though so far there is no evidence of a direct connection between Awlaki and RM besides the obvious similarity in positions - both Awlaki and RM were he only web pages noted to issue bold web statements celebrating Hasan as a hero. RM was also featured on a CNN web article just hours before the shooting, the corresponding video was aired only AFTER the shooting that evening. The Jewish Defence organization names Reasoner, Awlaki and RM as co-conspirators, even if the FBI evidently did not interview or seek interviews with any of them in connection with the shootings. Any additional help in sourcing these connections well enough for inclusion would be appreciated. It is not helpful for the number of editors who have simply deleted sourced edits on Reasoner on the basis he has no relevance to the topic of the shootings. Bachcell ( talk) 14:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Please add at least one citation for this or I think it should be removed. I cannot find any source at all (unreliable or reliable) that even claims the website has been banned in any country or Saudi Arabia. Also, if it has been banned in "Many" Muslim countries could you please specify which exactly? Anon12356 ( talk) 01:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)