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@ IbnTufail: You've now heard from multiple editors about your WP:NOR violations, and unfortunately you don't seem to be making progress toward understanding the difference between properly sourced text and editorial synthesis. This is really quite simple: for material liable to be challenged, every statement you add has to be a direct paraphrase of a cited source, or in special cases a direct quote. If much of the rest of this article hasn't yet been removed, it's not because it's policy-compliant, but rather because no editor took the time to review it carefully yet. I suggest you take this policy to heart if you don't want to see much of your other contributions disappear as well. Eperoton ( talk) 22:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Today several anti-Islamic activists got awareness of the research results of revisionist scholars and abuse them for their purposes. They are excited especially about the opinions of those researchers who doubt the historicity of Muhammad and date the Quran to a later time. These anti-Islamic activists use this to delegitimize and discredit Islam as a religion, and to call Muslims to leave Islam. The research of revisionist scholars whose research results leave the core essence of Islam untouched are intentionally ignored. James Heiser on Robert Spencer's book Did Muhammad Exist?: "Although many of the arguments presented have a measure of credibility, for this reviewer it seemed that Spencer himself was a bit too credulous when it came to gathering as much evidence as imaginable against Muhammad. Spencer’s work is not a "balanced" one — nor does it appear to have been intended to be. Very little counter evidence is presented seeking to refute the various arguments Spencer raises, and he may seem to some readers to be all too willing to give heed to "deconstructionist" writings." [1] Fred Donner judges on Ibn Warraq's The Quest for the Historical Muhammad: "More serious still is the compiler's heavy-handed favoritism for certain revisionist theories [...], resulting in a thoroughly one-sided selection ... ... ... This lopsided character makes The Quest for the Historical Muhammad a book that is likely to mislead many an unwary general reader. Most problematic of all, however, is the compiler's agenda, which is not scholarship, but anti-Islamic polemic." [2]
Furthermore, anti-Islamic activists ignore that Islam has intellectual ressources at its disposal to cope with the new situation: The discussion of the authenticity of traditional texts is not fundamentally alien to Islam, cf. the so-called Hadith studies. The rationalist movement of the Mutazillites expressed doubts on the traditions even at an early stage of Islamic history. [3] Anti-Islamic activists overlook, too, that the questioning of the traditional texts results in questioning "evidence" which made Muhammad look like a misanthrope. [4] They overlook, too, that a more philanthropic interpretation of the Quran is possible if the Quran is separated from its alleged context of wrong traditions. [5] Anti-Islamic activists also do not want to see the research results show that Islam is a product of Late Antiquity. This means a much closer relationship of Islam to Western civilization as expected until now. [6]
Further examples:
End of the section. -- IbnTufail ( talk) 22:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I find this passage problematic:
Another possible motivation for a reluctant acceptance of Revisionism could be the fear of reactions by faithful Muslims. One example is the fact that Muhammad most probably did not live in Mecca but somewhere in north-western Arabia which has been known for a long time - yet no researcher has touched on the topic, until the non-academic private researcher Dan Gibson took up the question.[27]
- Who makes the claim about "fear of reactions by faithful Muslims"? If it is Gibson's then it needs presented and sourced accordingly; if not then this probably shouldn't stay as is. - This: "Muhammad most probably did not live in Mecca... which has been known for a long time" is hardly a consensual view and shouldn't be presented as such ("most probably", "known for a long time"). - "... yet no researcher has touched on the topic until Dan Gibson" - This is contradicted by the very reference given, i.e. Crone's Hagarism.
The ref to Gibson clearly merits to stay, but please let someone familiar with his work rework this paragraph. 180.183.72.241 ( talk) 09:57, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
One of the key things about Wikipedia is that it should be neutral. However in this page there are many direct expressions of the editor's or the cited sources' points of view. These are mostly not under quotations but personal perspectives on history written as if they are accepted facts. Even the part about "criticism" is very subjective and after every negative opinion -that's mentioned- there is a sentence that begins with "but".
85.252.241.36 ( talk) 17:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
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@ IbnTufail: You've now heard from multiple editors about your WP:NOR violations, and unfortunately you don't seem to be making progress toward understanding the difference between properly sourced text and editorial synthesis. This is really quite simple: for material liable to be challenged, every statement you add has to be a direct paraphrase of a cited source, or in special cases a direct quote. If much of the rest of this article hasn't yet been removed, it's not because it's policy-compliant, but rather because no editor took the time to review it carefully yet. I suggest you take this policy to heart if you don't want to see much of your other contributions disappear as well. Eperoton ( talk) 22:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Today several anti-Islamic activists got awareness of the research results of revisionist scholars and abuse them for their purposes. They are excited especially about the opinions of those researchers who doubt the historicity of Muhammad and date the Quran to a later time. These anti-Islamic activists use this to delegitimize and discredit Islam as a religion, and to call Muslims to leave Islam. The research of revisionist scholars whose research results leave the core essence of Islam untouched are intentionally ignored. James Heiser on Robert Spencer's book Did Muhammad Exist?: "Although many of the arguments presented have a measure of credibility, for this reviewer it seemed that Spencer himself was a bit too credulous when it came to gathering as much evidence as imaginable against Muhammad. Spencer’s work is not a "balanced" one — nor does it appear to have been intended to be. Very little counter evidence is presented seeking to refute the various arguments Spencer raises, and he may seem to some readers to be all too willing to give heed to "deconstructionist" writings." [1] Fred Donner judges on Ibn Warraq's The Quest for the Historical Muhammad: "More serious still is the compiler's heavy-handed favoritism for certain revisionist theories [...], resulting in a thoroughly one-sided selection ... ... ... This lopsided character makes The Quest for the Historical Muhammad a book that is likely to mislead many an unwary general reader. Most problematic of all, however, is the compiler's agenda, which is not scholarship, but anti-Islamic polemic." [2]
Furthermore, anti-Islamic activists ignore that Islam has intellectual ressources at its disposal to cope with the new situation: The discussion of the authenticity of traditional texts is not fundamentally alien to Islam, cf. the so-called Hadith studies. The rationalist movement of the Mutazillites expressed doubts on the traditions even at an early stage of Islamic history. [3] Anti-Islamic activists overlook, too, that the questioning of the traditional texts results in questioning "evidence" which made Muhammad look like a misanthrope. [4] They overlook, too, that a more philanthropic interpretation of the Quran is possible if the Quran is separated from its alleged context of wrong traditions. [5] Anti-Islamic activists also do not want to see the research results show that Islam is a product of Late Antiquity. This means a much closer relationship of Islam to Western civilization as expected until now. [6]
Further examples:
End of the section. -- IbnTufail ( talk) 22:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I find this passage problematic:
Another possible motivation for a reluctant acceptance of Revisionism could be the fear of reactions by faithful Muslims. One example is the fact that Muhammad most probably did not live in Mecca but somewhere in north-western Arabia which has been known for a long time - yet no researcher has touched on the topic, until the non-academic private researcher Dan Gibson took up the question.[27]
- Who makes the claim about "fear of reactions by faithful Muslims"? If it is Gibson's then it needs presented and sourced accordingly; if not then this probably shouldn't stay as is. - This: "Muhammad most probably did not live in Mecca... which has been known for a long time" is hardly a consensual view and shouldn't be presented as such ("most probably", "known for a long time"). - "... yet no researcher has touched on the topic until Dan Gibson" - This is contradicted by the very reference given, i.e. Crone's Hagarism.
The ref to Gibson clearly merits to stay, but please let someone familiar with his work rework this paragraph. 180.183.72.241 ( talk) 09:57, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
One of the key things about Wikipedia is that it should be neutral. However in this page there are many direct expressions of the editor's or the cited sources' points of view. These are mostly not under quotations but personal perspectives on history written as if they are accepted facts. Even the part about "criticism" is very subjective and after every negative opinion -that's mentioned- there is a sentence that begins with "but".
85.252.241.36 ( talk) 17:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)