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Hi. i wrote the article The Return to Zion and User:Shuki has tagged it with "merge" to "gathering of Israel". I turned to shuki many times - and left him messages so we can discuss this matter, including sending him an e-mail, reminding him to respond to my posted message at his talk page - but have got no answer.
So I'd like to turn to some administrator, in order to discuss this matter and solve the issue.
firat, as i wrote on my posted message to shuki - i had translated this article from Hebrew - (also- in consistence with the article Pre-Zionist Aliyah wich also seem to match it's Hebrew article).
"The gathering of israel" - was put in the Hebrew wikipedia as a different subject to "the return to Zion" - since it "gathering" is the promise of exile and return - and "the return to Zion" is a different term by itself - which is only one of the fulfillment of this promise of return (there were other exiles and return - who are subject to different articles). "The Return to Zion" also has other related topics of Aliyah and modern Zionism etc - not specifically concerning the promise of exile and return.
In addition, after shuki's tagging - I had linked "the gathering of Israel" to the Hebrew article - and had asked him to see for himself that they put it on a different article then "the return to Zion", again couldn't get his answer.
Second, the article is not an original research, had it been so, i wouldn't have translated it from hebew - look at the Hebrew link i put to "the return to Zion" - Hebrew wikipedia has not tagged it this "original research". I also referred on my references to :
wich the article is based upon - I just can't think, in case of article on the bible, of a more "reliable source" then the bible itself ? ...
third, the article "pre-zionist Aliyah" is also translated from the Hebrew article (or at list in consistence with the Hebrew article) - but "pre-Zionist aliyah" has no references at all and it was not tagged - in contra to my article - wich both is in with consistence with the "Hebrew- the return to Zion", the "English + Hebrew - pre Zionist aliyah" as well as has the references of which the article is based up on and those are:
i'd like to ask the administrator to remove those tags. Thank you! And have a nice day!
-- Shevashalosh ( talk) 11:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
The Return to Zion → Return to Zion – This came up at WP:CFDS with a request to move ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Return to Zion to match this article. I think it should be the other way around, as the topic doesn't appear to meet WP:THE. You certainly wouldn't capitalize "the" in running text here. Indeed we don't in the article. BDD ( talk) 18:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Shortened short description per WP:SDSHORT. Editor2020 ( talk) 21:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Please undo this: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Return_to_Zion&oldid=1097328964 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walapo ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
There were many mistakes in the article that mentioned the return of Judeans to the Land of Israel, when in reality the Edict of Cyrus and the Persian Jewish province were in the Land of Judah. It is common inaccuracy to mistake the two. The northern Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyrians more than 200 years before the Edict of Cyrus. The Israelites of the Kingdom of Israel became the 10 Lost Tribes circa 730 BCE. The descendants of the 10 lost tribes of the Kingdom of Israel called themselves as Bnei Israel (children of Israel) and differentiated themselves from the Judahites of the southern Kingdom of Judah, who they were in constant conflict with.
The Edict of Cyrus applied only to Judeans from the Kingdom of Judah to return to the Persian Yehud/Judah province. The Edict of Cyrus did not apply to Bnei Israel (Israelites of the Kingdom of Israel) to return to the Land of Israel, to the north of the Yehud/Judah.
The Bnei Israel remained in exile and became the Israelites of Mesopotamia (Iraqi Jews, Bukharian Jews, Persian Jews - although 'Jew' is a misnomer as it applies to the Judeans of Judah, whom the Israelites were in conflict with). It's worth to note that Samaritans also retain the Israelite identity and also identify themselves as Bnei Israel to differentiate from the Judaites whom the northern Kingdom was always warring with. Walapo ( talk) 02:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
What is the file size of this image - I can't (on this tablet) get any details about it. l think it is too big - it took about 30 seconds to display, and I don't think the problem is with my internet connection. Could someone please attach a lower-resolution version? 194.193.49.20 ( talk) 05:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. i wrote the article The Return to Zion and User:Shuki has tagged it with "merge" to "gathering of Israel". I turned to shuki many times - and left him messages so we can discuss this matter, including sending him an e-mail, reminding him to respond to my posted message at his talk page - but have got no answer.
So I'd like to turn to some administrator, in order to discuss this matter and solve the issue.
firat, as i wrote on my posted message to shuki - i had translated this article from Hebrew - (also- in consistence with the article Pre-Zionist Aliyah wich also seem to match it's Hebrew article).
"The gathering of israel" - was put in the Hebrew wikipedia as a different subject to "the return to Zion" - since it "gathering" is the promise of exile and return - and "the return to Zion" is a different term by itself - which is only one of the fulfillment of this promise of return (there were other exiles and return - who are subject to different articles). "The Return to Zion" also has other related topics of Aliyah and modern Zionism etc - not specifically concerning the promise of exile and return.
In addition, after shuki's tagging - I had linked "the gathering of Israel" to the Hebrew article - and had asked him to see for himself that they put it on a different article then "the return to Zion", again couldn't get his answer.
Second, the article is not an original research, had it been so, i wouldn't have translated it from hebew - look at the Hebrew link i put to "the return to Zion" - Hebrew wikipedia has not tagged it this "original research". I also referred on my references to :
wich the article is based upon - I just can't think, in case of article on the bible, of a more "reliable source" then the bible itself ? ...
third, the article "pre-zionist Aliyah" is also translated from the Hebrew article (or at list in consistence with the Hebrew article) - but "pre-Zionist aliyah" has no references at all and it was not tagged - in contra to my article - wich both is in with consistence with the "Hebrew- the return to Zion", the "English + Hebrew - pre Zionist aliyah" as well as has the references of which the article is based up on and those are:
i'd like to ask the administrator to remove those tags. Thank you! And have a nice day!
-- Shevashalosh ( talk) 11:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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An image used in this article,
File:Cyrus cilinder.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at
Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests October 2011
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
This notification is provided by a Bot -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 14:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC) |
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
The Return to Zion → Return to Zion – This came up at WP:CFDS with a request to move ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Return to Zion to match this article. I think it should be the other way around, as the topic doesn't appear to meet WP:THE. You certainly wouldn't capitalize "the" in running text here. Indeed we don't in the article. BDD ( talk) 18:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Shortened short description per WP:SDSHORT. Editor2020 ( talk) 21:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Please undo this: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Return_to_Zion&oldid=1097328964 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walapo ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
There were many mistakes in the article that mentioned the return of Judeans to the Land of Israel, when in reality the Edict of Cyrus and the Persian Jewish province were in the Land of Judah. It is common inaccuracy to mistake the two. The northern Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyrians more than 200 years before the Edict of Cyrus. The Israelites of the Kingdom of Israel became the 10 Lost Tribes circa 730 BCE. The descendants of the 10 lost tribes of the Kingdom of Israel called themselves as Bnei Israel (children of Israel) and differentiated themselves from the Judahites of the southern Kingdom of Judah, who they were in constant conflict with.
The Edict of Cyrus applied only to Judeans from the Kingdom of Judah to return to the Persian Yehud/Judah province. The Edict of Cyrus did not apply to Bnei Israel (Israelites of the Kingdom of Israel) to return to the Land of Israel, to the north of the Yehud/Judah.
The Bnei Israel remained in exile and became the Israelites of Mesopotamia (Iraqi Jews, Bukharian Jews, Persian Jews - although 'Jew' is a misnomer as it applies to the Judeans of Judah, whom the Israelites were in conflict with). It's worth to note that Samaritans also retain the Israelite identity and also identify themselves as Bnei Israel to differentiate from the Judaites whom the northern Kingdom was always warring with. Walapo ( talk) 02:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
What is the file size of this image - I can't (on this tablet) get any details about it. l think it is too big - it took about 30 seconds to display, and I don't think the problem is with my internet connection. Could someone please attach a lower-resolution version? 194.193.49.20 ( talk) 05:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)