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The sensory cues that were last discovered by Marks were irrelevant as they pertain to the psychic's location, not the demarcation team. Although this allows you to order the transcripts to some degree, this provides no discernible advantage when the list of target sites were randomized. Therefore the original Targ-Puthoff experiment is valid and should be considered scientific evidence. More importantly than the cues. A basic empirical analysis would clearly show those with common sense psychic functioning took place. Price said "Hoover Tower" for Hoover Tower.
This finding wipes out probably at least half the testimonies against Remote Viewing listed here. I look forward to debunking the next goalpost provided.
We should begin heavily editing the cues section and correcting history. As it stands, this entire page looks like one massive hit piece using solely the opinions of those that have no idea how, or even at times, what remote viewing is. MIND-REACH isn't even listed for further reading. What even is this page.-- Addidy ( talk) 10:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Maybe too late, but: the remote viewing experiments had the chance to provide CIA with actionable intelligence, but failed to do so. The proof is in the pudding. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 19:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello all - I was approached by Addidy on Twitter to ask if I have been the one to thwart their attempts to the edits they were making on the remote viewing page. Let's just set aside that Addidy approached me off Wikipedia - seriously I'm okay with that, I'm public and I'm happy to answer questions when I can. After I explained in many tweets what I saw was the problem with Addidy's editing style and lack of edit history, Addidy asked why we can't have a quote from Targ on the remote viewing page that says something like "Targ does not think remote viewing is pseudoscience" and then sum up why he does not think it is pseudoscience and cite this article http://www.espresearch.com/russell/russell-targ-response-to-wikipedia.shtml. I explained to Addidy that User:LuckyLouie has been trying to explain why Addidy's edits aren't sticking and I suggested that Addidy spend a quantity of time reading the talk page and learning how to edit Wikipedia correctly starting with grammar and spelling on a page they don't have an agenda on. But besides all that, I said I would make a talk page discussion to ask if others would be okay with us stating Targ saying he does not think the word pseudoscience fits remote viewing and briefly why. I await your discussion of the matter. Sgerbic ( talk) 22:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
A statement was posted to the CIA website confirming that they believe it to be a real phenomenon. It's not obvious to me where this might go – could someone who's inclined include it? — TARDIS builder 💬 | 07:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
but that the phenomenon was too unreliable, inconsistent, and sporadic to be useful for intelligence purposes.So, yeah, taking the report at face value, they concluded that it works, but it works so badly as to be practically useless. As in general with psi phenomena: they provide some significant correlations, but they are useless in the real world. tgeorgescu ( talk) 08:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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Stargate Project of CIA must be added. You can go to this website and type "remote view". Thousands of documents will be revealed. Looks like CIA involved "pseudo-scientific" operations. Psycics has been used for operations by CIA. Not adding this information on this page and calling remote view "pseudo-science" is highly biased and suspicious move.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/home 159.146.121.8 ( talk) 21:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I find the description and discussion about remote viewing quite bizarre. After it was made available to the public in the mid 1990:s a number of the former military remote viewers started to provide courses. The community of viewers has continued growing and developing. There is a generally accepted scientific protocoll containing key points making sure there is no cheating. Many remote viewing projects have been made available to the public giving the oppotunity for anyone to get an insight by going through the raw data. An obvious objection would be that we can't tell if the viewer knew about tha target before doing the viewing. However, for the last decade or so projects looking into the future have been available to the public. E g Farsight Institute and Cryptoviewing have provided mothly predictions a month in advance. This means that the public including myself have the opportunity to first take part of the results of the remote viewing session and then during the month or so after the feedback will play out. Over and over the mentioned groups have produced stunning results. Remote viewers have described unique events of which there was totally impossible to have prior knowledge. The detail och specificness has many time been overwhelming and when the event played out there could be no doubt about that this was what the Remote viewer had described. 155.4.33.198 ( talk) 14:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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The sensory cues that were last discovered by Marks were irrelevant as they pertain to the psychic's location, not the demarcation team. Although this allows you to order the transcripts to some degree, this provides no discernible advantage when the list of target sites were randomized. Therefore the original Targ-Puthoff experiment is valid and should be considered scientific evidence. More importantly than the cues. A basic empirical analysis would clearly show those with common sense psychic functioning took place. Price said "Hoover Tower" for Hoover Tower.
This finding wipes out probably at least half the testimonies against Remote Viewing listed here. I look forward to debunking the next goalpost provided.
We should begin heavily editing the cues section and correcting history. As it stands, this entire page looks like one massive hit piece using solely the opinions of those that have no idea how, or even at times, what remote viewing is. MIND-REACH isn't even listed for further reading. What even is this page.-- Addidy ( talk) 10:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Maybe too late, but: the remote viewing experiments had the chance to provide CIA with actionable intelligence, but failed to do so. The proof is in the pudding. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 19:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello all - I was approached by Addidy on Twitter to ask if I have been the one to thwart their attempts to the edits they were making on the remote viewing page. Let's just set aside that Addidy approached me off Wikipedia - seriously I'm okay with that, I'm public and I'm happy to answer questions when I can. After I explained in many tweets what I saw was the problem with Addidy's editing style and lack of edit history, Addidy asked why we can't have a quote from Targ on the remote viewing page that says something like "Targ does not think remote viewing is pseudoscience" and then sum up why he does not think it is pseudoscience and cite this article http://www.espresearch.com/russell/russell-targ-response-to-wikipedia.shtml. I explained to Addidy that User:LuckyLouie has been trying to explain why Addidy's edits aren't sticking and I suggested that Addidy spend a quantity of time reading the talk page and learning how to edit Wikipedia correctly starting with grammar and spelling on a page they don't have an agenda on. But besides all that, I said I would make a talk page discussion to ask if others would be okay with us stating Targ saying he does not think the word pseudoscience fits remote viewing and briefly why. I await your discussion of the matter. Sgerbic ( talk) 22:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
A statement was posted to the CIA website confirming that they believe it to be a real phenomenon. It's not obvious to me where this might go – could someone who's inclined include it? — TARDIS builder 💬 | 07:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
but that the phenomenon was too unreliable, inconsistent, and sporadic to be useful for intelligence purposes.So, yeah, taking the report at face value, they concluded that it works, but it works so badly as to be practically useless. As in general with psi phenomena: they provide some significant correlations, but they are useless in the real world. tgeorgescu ( talk) 08:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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CycloneYoris
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Stargate Project of CIA must be added. You can go to this website and type "remote view". Thousands of documents will be revealed. Looks like CIA involved "pseudo-scientific" operations. Psycics has been used for operations by CIA. Not adding this information on this page and calling remote view "pseudo-science" is highly biased and suspicious move.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/home 159.146.121.8 ( talk) 21:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I find the description and discussion about remote viewing quite bizarre. After it was made available to the public in the mid 1990:s a number of the former military remote viewers started to provide courses. The community of viewers has continued growing and developing. There is a generally accepted scientific protocoll containing key points making sure there is no cheating. Many remote viewing projects have been made available to the public giving the oppotunity for anyone to get an insight by going through the raw data. An obvious objection would be that we can't tell if the viewer knew about tha target before doing the viewing. However, for the last decade or so projects looking into the future have been available to the public. E g Farsight Institute and Cryptoviewing have provided mothly predictions a month in advance. This means that the public including myself have the opportunity to first take part of the results of the remote viewing session and then during the month or so after the feedback will play out. Over and over the mentioned groups have produced stunning results. Remote viewers have described unique events of which there was totally impossible to have prior knowledge. The detail och specificness has many time been overwhelming and when the event played out there could be no doubt about that this was what the Remote viewer had described. 155.4.33.198 ( talk) 14:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)