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@ Soetermans: § "Implicit narrative references" has the rather perplexing line
How so? It sounds like some religious Inquisition in which the heretic's soul would be saved by killing him, but it makes no sense whatever in a video game. Or, if it was meant to apply to some specific videogame, that ought to be mentioned. Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. -- Thnidu ( talk) 04:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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Soetermans: It's been a week since the above ping, with no reply from you. I'm going to delete the paragraph, because the second sentence, as I said, makes no sense without an explanation that isn't there, and without that sentence the first sentence is pointless in this article.
Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. -- Thnidu ( talk) 04:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder if shooters are not violent enough. The vomitous Manhunt actually made me contemplate, and recoil from, the messy ramifications of taking a virtual life. Most shooters do no such thing, offering a pathetic creed of salvation-by-M-16, in which you do the right—and instantly apparent—thing and bask in a heroic swell of music. On top of that, the shooter may be the least politically evolved of all the video-game genres, which is saying something. Call of Duty 4 does not even have the courage to name its obviously Muslim enemies as Muslims, making them Russified brutes from some exotic-sounding ethnic enclave. I do not mind being asked to kill in the shooter: Killing is part of the contract. What I do mind is not feeling anything in particular—not even numbness—after having killed in such numbers. Many shooters ask the gamer to use violence against pure, unambiguous evil: monsters, Nazis, corporate goons, aliens of Ottoman territorial ambition. Yet these shooters typically have nothing to say about evil and violence, other than that evil is evil and violence is violent.
@ Soetermans: Yes, I think it's usable, but not in that section. It's certainly an implicit use of "obviously Muslim enemies" (quoting Bissell, and a lot of bloggers agree; see below) while avoiding any explicit characterization of them as such. I'd put it in the lede of Use of religious elements—
It might go in subsection
Islam, but I think the section lede is a better placement, maybe in a paragraph of its own. The other mentions under "Islam" all refer to real-world reactions to the game, which we have none of here AFAIK. And as far as this Bissell quote says (and unlike me, you know the game and probably have access to the book) there's no explicit use of Islam, quotations from the Qur'ān, Arabic language, or such; I'm guessing that the enemies are dressed in ways that shout "ARAB! MUSLIM!" (are they?)
Oh, better! I ran a Google search for "Mass Effect" enemies Muslims. Among the top hits:
Whew! Well, these are all from blogs, so they're not considered reliable sources, but you may be able to use them as support for Bissell. Clearly he's not fringey about it.
-- Thnidu ( talk) 22:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 10:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Soetermans: § "Implicit narrative references" has the rather perplexing line
How so? It sounds like some religious Inquisition in which the heretic's soul would be saved by killing him, but it makes no sense whatever in a video game. Or, if it was meant to apply to some specific videogame, that ought to be mentioned. Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. -- Thnidu ( talk) 04:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
@
Soetermans: It's been a week since the above ping, with no reply from you. I'm going to delete the paragraph, because the second sentence, as I said, makes no sense without an explanation that isn't there, and without that sentence the first sentence is pointless in this article.
Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. -- Thnidu ( talk) 04:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder if shooters are not violent enough. The vomitous Manhunt actually made me contemplate, and recoil from, the messy ramifications of taking a virtual life. Most shooters do no such thing, offering a pathetic creed of salvation-by-M-16, in which you do the right—and instantly apparent—thing and bask in a heroic swell of music. On top of that, the shooter may be the least politically evolved of all the video-game genres, which is saying something. Call of Duty 4 does not even have the courage to name its obviously Muslim enemies as Muslims, making them Russified brutes from some exotic-sounding ethnic enclave. I do not mind being asked to kill in the shooter: Killing is part of the contract. What I do mind is not feeling anything in particular—not even numbness—after having killed in such numbers. Many shooters ask the gamer to use violence against pure, unambiguous evil: monsters, Nazis, corporate goons, aliens of Ottoman territorial ambition. Yet these shooters typically have nothing to say about evil and violence, other than that evil is evil and violence is violent.
@ Soetermans: Yes, I think it's usable, but not in that section. It's certainly an implicit use of "obviously Muslim enemies" (quoting Bissell, and a lot of bloggers agree; see below) while avoiding any explicit characterization of them as such. I'd put it in the lede of Use of religious elements—
It might go in subsection
Islam, but I think the section lede is a better placement, maybe in a paragraph of its own. The other mentions under "Islam" all refer to real-world reactions to the game, which we have none of here AFAIK. And as far as this Bissell quote says (and unlike me, you know the game and probably have access to the book) there's no explicit use of Islam, quotations from the Qur'ān, Arabic language, or such; I'm guessing that the enemies are dressed in ways that shout "ARAB! MUSLIM!" (are they?)
Oh, better! I ran a Google search for "Mass Effect" enemies Muslims. Among the top hits:
Whew! Well, these are all from blogs, so they're not considered reliable sources, but you may be able to use them as support for Bissell. Clearly he's not fringey about it.
-- Thnidu ( talk) 22:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Zed also criticized atlus for portraying the hindu deity Krishna 950CMR ( talk) 14:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
https://www.indiatvnews.com/business/india-hindu-leader-demands-blizzard-to-take-down-devi-portrayal-from-video-game-overwatch-339951 950CMR ( talk) 14:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Can someone add this 950CMR ( talk) 14:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)