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I wonder if we maybe better merge these two articles. I think the concepts are too easily confused unless covered in the same article. -- Johan Magnus 14:48, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm having problems parsing the first sentence: "The European Union follows to strengthen the Regions of Europe as the layer of EU government administration directly below the nation state level."
Follows to strengthen? Can someone rework that a bit? JohnRDaily 01:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
What are the sources for the division of Sweden into Götaland, Svealand and Norrland in this system? That division is a historical and cultural division, but it is not an administrative division in any way, at least I haven't heard of it being used as such. And I've lived in Sweden for 20 years... Also, the flags seem very inaccurate. The flag of Skåneland is not used in the whole of Götaland, only in the south. The Sami flag is only used by the Sami, and the flag of Sweden is of course not used only in Svealand. Also, the flag used for the Oulu Province is the Ingrian flag, and Ingria is an area on the south-eastern border between Finland and Russia, far away from Oulu... / 130.243.135.145 18:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The data for Ulster arent right cause for this region only the RoI area counts.
This whole list is currently based far too much on assumptions -- mine, mainly -- and far too little on source. Can someone please come up with references for this? — Nightst a llion (?) 08:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom's membership, although Gibraltar is. The IOM is a Crown Colony, like Guernsey and Jersey, and therefore attached to the British Crown, but not the United Kingdom.
What is the justification for pairing some of these regions (e.g. North East England and North West England or Navarra and La Rioja)? The first line "The European Union created the Regions of Europe as the layer of EU government administration directly below the nation-state level" is simply not true. The whole thing looks like POV original research and should in muy view be replaced by a brief factual description of the Committee of the Regions and a pointer to Nomenclature of Territorial Units for Statistics.-- Henrygb 18:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I've had a very good look around, particularly the EU's website [1] and have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as the sort of EU regions this page is talking about. In the context of the EU, "region" is quite a loose term, just as it has been historically. The actual list of regions depends on what they are being used for. There is a hierarchy of areas used for statistics, NUTS. It seems various levels or combinations of these areas are used as "regions" in other contexts.
Now, I had prevously thought that there was such thing as EU Regions, which were imposed on us by the EU. I thought these were used when EU bodies such as the Regional Development Fund. But as with many editors comtributing this page (or at least I suspect, apologies if I'm wrong) I'm looking at it from a UK perspective. In the UK, we didn't have regions before. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are logical regions, but the "Government Office Regions" of England often seem artificial, so must have been invented by the EU. I'd heard it argued by Europhiles that it was up to member states to decide on their administrative boundaries, but you never know whether to believe it.
If you look at the site on EU regional policy, you'll see that they list Cornwall as a "region" eligible to receive aid. Scotland is also sibdivided into several regions such as "Highland and Islands". In fact, these boundaries are based on NUTS2, see map [2].
The EU's Committee of the Regions "provides local and regional authorities with a voice at the heart of the European Union", but these authorities can be anything from a German federal state government to an English county council.
The closest thing to the regions this Wikipedia page is talking about can be found on a clickable map on the EU site [3]. For some member states, it has solid red lines for "Regional boundaries". It then has dashed lines for "Boundaries between administrative units". Some countries only have the latter, but there is no correspondance between size of the area and whether they call them regions. e.g. Sweden has no regions, but Lithuania has lots of small regions. Latvia is divided up into similar areas to Lithuania, but they are not called regions. Other examples of "regions" are Irish provinces (which have no administrative function) and German Länder, which are federal states.
Each member state can also decide how to conduct its elections to the EU parliament. In the UK, we have regional votes, but that doesn't follow across the EU. In this context, they are no more than electoral regions.
From all this, I would conclude that there are no set regions that form part of a rigid hierarchy (EU—member state—region-...) It's up to each member state to decide how it is subdivided. In the UK context, it seems that regions are imposed on us not by the EU, but by John Prescott (so I'm not suggesting they are any more welcome!)
I welcome any comments to any of the points raised here. But really I think this page is confusing and inaccurate, and should probably be listed as an AfD. JRawle ( Talk) 14:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just created NUTS:HU and the three main (NUTS 1) regions described there are quite different from those mentioned in this chart. The three main regions of Hungary according to this article are "Central Hungary", "Transdanubia" and "Great Plain and North" (I'm not sure of the English name of the latter but I'm practically sure of its extent). I have several sources for them (see its "Sources and external links" section). Are these regions different from the NUTS 1 or is the data wrong in this chart? Adam78 01:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
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I wonder if we maybe better merge these two articles. I think the concepts are too easily confused unless covered in the same article. -- Johan Magnus 14:48, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm having problems parsing the first sentence: "The European Union follows to strengthen the Regions of Europe as the layer of EU government administration directly below the nation state level."
Follows to strengthen? Can someone rework that a bit? JohnRDaily 01:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
What are the sources for the division of Sweden into Götaland, Svealand and Norrland in this system? That division is a historical and cultural division, but it is not an administrative division in any way, at least I haven't heard of it being used as such. And I've lived in Sweden for 20 years... Also, the flags seem very inaccurate. The flag of Skåneland is not used in the whole of Götaland, only in the south. The Sami flag is only used by the Sami, and the flag of Sweden is of course not used only in Svealand. Also, the flag used for the Oulu Province is the Ingrian flag, and Ingria is an area on the south-eastern border between Finland and Russia, far away from Oulu... / 130.243.135.145 18:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The data for Ulster arent right cause for this region only the RoI area counts.
This whole list is currently based far too much on assumptions -- mine, mainly -- and far too little on source. Can someone please come up with references for this? — Nightst a llion (?) 08:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom's membership, although Gibraltar is. The IOM is a Crown Colony, like Guernsey and Jersey, and therefore attached to the British Crown, but not the United Kingdom.
What is the justification for pairing some of these regions (e.g. North East England and North West England or Navarra and La Rioja)? The first line "The European Union created the Regions of Europe as the layer of EU government administration directly below the nation-state level" is simply not true. The whole thing looks like POV original research and should in muy view be replaced by a brief factual description of the Committee of the Regions and a pointer to Nomenclature of Territorial Units for Statistics.-- Henrygb 18:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I've had a very good look around, particularly the EU's website [1] and have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as the sort of EU regions this page is talking about. In the context of the EU, "region" is quite a loose term, just as it has been historically. The actual list of regions depends on what they are being used for. There is a hierarchy of areas used for statistics, NUTS. It seems various levels or combinations of these areas are used as "regions" in other contexts.
Now, I had prevously thought that there was such thing as EU Regions, which were imposed on us by the EU. I thought these were used when EU bodies such as the Regional Development Fund. But as with many editors comtributing this page (or at least I suspect, apologies if I'm wrong) I'm looking at it from a UK perspective. In the UK, we didn't have regions before. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are logical regions, but the "Government Office Regions" of England often seem artificial, so must have been invented by the EU. I'd heard it argued by Europhiles that it was up to member states to decide on their administrative boundaries, but you never know whether to believe it.
If you look at the site on EU regional policy, you'll see that they list Cornwall as a "region" eligible to receive aid. Scotland is also sibdivided into several regions such as "Highland and Islands". In fact, these boundaries are based on NUTS2, see map [2].
The EU's Committee of the Regions "provides local and regional authorities with a voice at the heart of the European Union", but these authorities can be anything from a German federal state government to an English county council.
The closest thing to the regions this Wikipedia page is talking about can be found on a clickable map on the EU site [3]. For some member states, it has solid red lines for "Regional boundaries". It then has dashed lines for "Boundaries between administrative units". Some countries only have the latter, but there is no correspondance between size of the area and whether they call them regions. e.g. Sweden has no regions, but Lithuania has lots of small regions. Latvia is divided up into similar areas to Lithuania, but they are not called regions. Other examples of "regions" are Irish provinces (which have no administrative function) and German Länder, which are federal states.
Each member state can also decide how to conduct its elections to the EU parliament. In the UK, we have regional votes, but that doesn't follow across the EU. In this context, they are no more than electoral regions.
From all this, I would conclude that there are no set regions that form part of a rigid hierarchy (EU—member state—region-...) It's up to each member state to decide how it is subdivided. In the UK context, it seems that regions are imposed on us not by the EU, but by John Prescott (so I'm not suggesting they are any more welcome!)
I welcome any comments to any of the points raised here. But really I think this page is confusing and inaccurate, and should probably be listed as an AfD. JRawle ( Talk) 14:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just created NUTS:HU and the three main (NUTS 1) regions described there are quite different from those mentioned in this chart. The three main regions of Hungary according to this article are "Central Hungary", "Transdanubia" and "Great Plain and North" (I'm not sure of the English name of the latter but I'm practically sure of its extent). I have several sources for them (see its "Sources and external links" section). Are these regions different from the NUTS 1 or is the data wrong in this chart? Adam78 01:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)