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The sources on dates don't sync up. Hosking became CEO of REDBUBBLE in July 2010 (not 2011). The Aconex press release only notes he was then the CEO of REDBUBBLE, not when he became it. I will dig around and find a WP:VS just to get the dates lined up correctly. XcommR ( talk) 11:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The section on Trayvon Martin is just one of many examples of how popular, trending topics lead to designs on REDBUBBLE. This was picked up by the WSJ where the site is named alongside others in relation to political campaigns [2] "very political campaign generates its buttons, shirts and trinkets. But this year the merchandising is speedier than ever—and more topical—because of "print-on-demand" companies like Zazzle, CafePress, DeviantArt and RedBubble." But it could be anything. A Tshirt on the death of Bin Laden was front of Drudge Report, something on riots in London in British papers etc. I suggest a generic comment similar to the WSJs and then examples or the article will always be out of date or picky (I am sure there is a WP policy on this but just need to find it_. XcommR ( talk) 11:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
... that the Australian company RedBubble used to sell baby clothes "featuring pictures of Hitler, Osama bin Laden and serial killers Ivan Milat, Ted Bundy and Charles Manson"? Created/expanded by Keithbob (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 02:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
This content was removed from Martin Hosking after a BLPN discussion. I'm parking it here and it can be integrated into the article as appropriate.
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The user MUWT5 is editing this page without regard to basic WP policies - wp:NPOV, wp:balance. They are trying to create a wp:coatrack for their view of a particular media event related to some content on the Company's website. They have not declared their interest but their singular interest in this topic suggests an undeclared wp:COI They have been repeatedly warned about such behavior on the article Martin Hosking which they have ignored. I will leave it with more experienced editors to resolve. XcommR ( talk) 22:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... The article cites 15 reliable sources. Why are you requesting speedy deletion, with no discussion? Something is all backwards here. There are thousands of articles with few or zero sources on the most obscure topics and we have nothing better to do around here than proposed speedy deletion for an article that meets MOS and has 16 citations? Wow... -- — Keithbob • Talk • 02:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
If we were to delete the article on RedBubble I think we could add to the list the following other companies/websites which are of about the same or lesser scale (check size at Alexa.com) and importance (check by citations) and operate in related areas: Threadless, Spreadshirt Vistaprint. If the article is deleted the biography of Martin Hosking should also be deleted as it cannot remain a wp:coatrack for an issue to do with RedBubble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XcommR ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Since User:XcommR is writing in ways that imply otherwise, it's worth noting that he is in fact Martin Hosking: [7]. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 14:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
This business is known only for one thing. Promotion of NAZI slogans on t-shirts which were condemned by Mark Liebler or Arnold Bloch Liebler and who refused to act further as legal adviser for this company. This episode needs coverage in this Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.119.125 ([[User talk:121.44.119.125|talk]]) 04:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Red bubble only relented on selling Hitler and NAZI themed tshirts after 6 months of user and customer fury! 6 months!! If Martin Hosking CEO of Red Bubble is such a believer in "free speech" to defend his right to put these slogans on t-shirts, what about "free speech" to defend the telling of the story of Red Bubble's support for these hate slogans?
Prominent Melbourne law firm Arnold Bloch Liebler announced in 2011 that it would no longer act for Redbubble because as its senior partner explained it could not represent a business that condoned Nazism. Could a conscientious Wikipedia editor please incorporate this into the profile - there are many newsworthy citations. Elizabethpeel ( talk) 08:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Hoskings and Red Bubble were publicly sacked by ABL as clients of ABL due to their continued promotion of Neo-Nazi slogans on t-shirts. "Xcomm" user has it confused if he thinks Hoskins and Red Bubble were on other side of this equation. Evidence? Eventually Simon Wisenthal Centre became involved and as a result of pressure they brought on him, Hoskings finally dropped the t-shirt slogans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.147.88 ( talk) 07:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The thing that's missing here is that Martin Hosking was prepared to take on the so-called "Jewish Lobby" and champion freedom of speech on Hitler or Nazi related topics. Freedom of speech on the Internet is a much bigger thing than a few Fuhrer or Holocaust jokes on tshirts. Martin Hosking is a champion of the freedoms of speech that the Internet allows. The Internet and free speech are more than any lobby group no matter how powerful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.146.2 ( talk) 11:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Some timelines and sources for inclusion
http://extranetevolution.com/2011/06/aconex-chairman-in-hitler-t-shirt-row/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.225.45.243 ( talk) 07:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
The main article on Wikipedia is written as if the nazi t-shirt slogans and sexualised children's wear were some quickly corrected harmless accident. This is not true. The offending materials were sold on RedBubble for many months until the storm of protest against RedBubble reached a stage of Front Page media newspaper and evening TV news. It is true that Martin Hosking defended the material as "free speech". However, he does not tolerate the speech of those who protested instead deleting their comments and accounts. For some strange reason he is pro- free speech when it comes to saying "Back to the Fuhrer" on a tshirt but against free speech of those complaining about it.
This blog chronicled the story
http://1stangel.co.uk/blog/2011/have-redbubble-gone-too-far/#.UDrrP4lhic0
http://1stangel.co.uk/blog/2011/redbubble-furore-not-over/#.UDrvfIlhic0
1firstangel ( talk) 03:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi fellow editors, there seems to be some concern that readers should be clear that RB's law firm quit them because of offensive Hitler images. Therefore I have edited the text to its current version to make that fact perfectly clear. (see below)
I object to the addition of this quote: "We will not act for a company that in effect promotes Nazism, senior partner Mark Leibler told The Sunday Age." because it repeats information already given in the prior sentence. It also violates WP:UNDUE which says: "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views as much of, or as detailed, a description as more widely held views. Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all,..." Comments? Discussion? -- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Is totally misleading to suggest as the Wikipwdia page does now that ABL sacked Redbubble because of "humour and satire" - not at all. It was because Redbubble sold over a period of time and refused to stop selling pro-Nazi slogans on t-shirts. The publicity and pressure that ABL's principled decision brought onto Redbubble and Martin Hosking eventually with other pressure led to Redbubble's decision to stop selling the pro-Nazi slogans on t-shirts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111431Q ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
References
Unless anyone can find one, there is not another example on Wikipedia of a client who has been publicly sacked by their law firm. The reported reasons for the sacking by the lawyers and the reported RedBubble side of the story should both be given prominence in the article. Law firm says "neo-nazi t-shirts" being sold and they cannot continue to act for this client, but client says "just humour and satire" etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.145.44 ( talk) 00:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
This moniker only edits Wiki articles related to Martin Hosking This moniker is operated by someone who at times has claimed to be Martin Hosking and at other times to be someone else This moniker makes outlandish and unsubstantiated claims aimed to subtly discredit Martin Hosking - e.g. that it was reported that it was Redbubble who sacked ABL, or that ABL and Mr Mark Liebler AC only notable for this incident with Redbubble 111431Q ( talk) 02:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Video interviews that are published by reliable sources with no copyright violations can be considered reliable sources. From what I have seen so far the video referenced by XcommR should be considered as a reliable source. YouTube videos are often disqualified from WP as both sources and external links because they are posted by someone other than the owner and that is a copyright violation that WP cannot support or participate in. Regarding user accounts, I also have concerns when I see IP's or accounts popping up daily, whose sole agenda is to insert or strengthen criticism on a single article or topic. I become especially concerned when I see them talking to and supporting each other on the talk page. Lastly, I would caution editors involved here that with the insertion and emphasis of Martin Hosking into the discussion and into the article, certain WP:BLP policy considerations may apply, thereby holding that content to an even higher standard for neutral and balanced representation of reliable sources that does not violate WP:UNDUE weight which creates bias. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Arnold Bloch Leibler explain twice why they sacked Redbubble as a client
On May 24 as soon as ABL became aware of Redbubble selling the merchandise and after Martin Hosking refused to stop selling the offensive merchandise. This was first reported in Jewish news services and then in many other media outlets, e.g. Redbubble's products are described by Mark Leibler as "pro-Hitler merchandise"
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/05/30/3087923/law-firm-severs-ties-with-hipster-hitler http://www.startupsmart.com.au/management/legal-matters/2011-05-27/law-firm-cuts-ties-with-redbubble-over-hitler-t-shirt-controversy.html http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/05/30/hipster-hitler-sends-redbubbles-law-firm-fleeing/
Then again two weeks later on June 5 when Martin Hosking finally relented and stopped selling the offensive products, Mark Leibler explains why ABL would not represent this client in case there was any doubt because Redbubble "in effect supporting Nazism"
The praise from SWC for the decision in the end to cease selling the offensive products came long after ABL had taken its stand and refused to represent Martin Hosking and Redbubble in their selling of these products. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.23.153.236 ( talk) 00:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
http://tatumwulff.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/blowing-whistle-on-redbubbles-serial.html?m=1 The verfiable news links in this article should be used for the main Wiki article. 1firstangel ( talk) 05:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Enough already I too was involved in the campaign from the beginning in November 2010 to get Hipster Hitler tshirts off Redbubble. I too was disgusted by the use of "free speech" as a justification by Martin Hosking for selling nazi slogans on tshirts....while at the same time he deleted criticism and closed accounts of people complaining about those tshirts! Yes...it was pretty stupid of him to try to justify tshirt sales as being "art". I too was deeply saddened by his refusal to listen to the overwhelming opinion of the community against Redbubble selling tastless hate propoganda on tshirts. Yes....it just got worse and worse with the porn and violence sold on baby clothes. Yes....he refused to listen the community about those too until it was too late. But....when is enough "enough"? Redbubble and Martin Hosking have already been dragged through the mud in the media for their mistakes so but there comes a time to leave alone? Redbubble has moved on...time for us all to do the same. I am against Wikipedia articles to keep dragging up all this past, it just damages the innocent victims in all this... who are the loyal members of Redbubble to have their friends and buyers read about this old cra* again recycled on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.160.226 ( talk) 00:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Millions of Palestinians have been driven from their homes and murdered. Now Israel is threatening to attack Iran. All you people worry about are some t-shirts, plluheaasee!! Bring back Hipster Hitler! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.69.63 ( talk) 00:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Law firms with the ethics of Arnold Bloch Leibler who refused to try to defend the indefensible client are very rare. Defending the most extremely in the wrong clients is a national past time in the US. Maybe Australian lawyers could teach a thing or too about ethics. OJ Simpson defense lawyers hard to find Down Under. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torontonio ( talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The article should be edited to make clear that were actually two separate controversies that got Redbubble into the news.
The first was one about Hipster Hitler t-shirts and Arnold Bloch Leibler. They were not satirical images of Hitler on the t-shirts, that's wrong, they were t-shirts with slogans drawn from the comic strip such as DEATH CAMP FOR CUTIE, THREE REICHS AND YOU ARE OUT, BACK TO THE FUHRER
The second controversy was about violence and porn being sold on children's and baby clothing.
There was no relation between the controversies except that in the end Redbubble reversed its stance and stopped selling the offending t-shirts and clothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UberBubbler ( talk • contribs) 10:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
User XcommR has made the claim to be Martin Hosking and should not be editing the article. The user XcommR has edited the article and removed good faith edits to make it factually incorrect which is vandalism. If there are specific things in the article as it stands that need revision, the user XcommR can point them out and cite the verifiable sources for those suggested revisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.97.181 ( talk) 00:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Isn't the most famous thing this company one thing...They were sacked by their own lawyers Arnold Block Leibler for in effect promoting Nazism? How is this missed in the main article? In the age of Donald Trump such things can thrive but shouldn't this main claim to fame at least be reported main article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.148.166.207 ( talk) 09:38, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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The sources on dates don't sync up. Hosking became CEO of REDBUBBLE in July 2010 (not 2011). The Aconex press release only notes he was then the CEO of REDBUBBLE, not when he became it. I will dig around and find a WP:VS just to get the dates lined up correctly. XcommR ( talk) 11:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The section on Trayvon Martin is just one of many examples of how popular, trending topics lead to designs on REDBUBBLE. This was picked up by the WSJ where the site is named alongside others in relation to political campaigns [2] "very political campaign generates its buttons, shirts and trinkets. But this year the merchandising is speedier than ever—and more topical—because of "print-on-demand" companies like Zazzle, CafePress, DeviantArt and RedBubble." But it could be anything. A Tshirt on the death of Bin Laden was front of Drudge Report, something on riots in London in British papers etc. I suggest a generic comment similar to the WSJs and then examples or the article will always be out of date or picky (I am sure there is a WP policy on this but just need to find it_. XcommR ( talk) 11:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
... that the Australian company RedBubble used to sell baby clothes "featuring pictures of Hitler, Osama bin Laden and serial killers Ivan Milat, Ted Bundy and Charles Manson"? Created/expanded by Keithbob (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 02:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
This content was removed from Martin Hosking after a BLPN discussion. I'm parking it here and it can be integrated into the article as appropriate.
References
The user MUWT5 is editing this page without regard to basic WP policies - wp:NPOV, wp:balance. They are trying to create a wp:coatrack for their view of a particular media event related to some content on the Company's website. They have not declared their interest but their singular interest in this topic suggests an undeclared wp:COI They have been repeatedly warned about such behavior on the article Martin Hosking which they have ignored. I will leave it with more experienced editors to resolve. XcommR ( talk) 22:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... The article cites 15 reliable sources. Why are you requesting speedy deletion, with no discussion? Something is all backwards here. There are thousands of articles with few or zero sources on the most obscure topics and we have nothing better to do around here than proposed speedy deletion for an article that meets MOS and has 16 citations? Wow... -- — Keithbob • Talk • 02:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
If we were to delete the article on RedBubble I think we could add to the list the following other companies/websites which are of about the same or lesser scale (check size at Alexa.com) and importance (check by citations) and operate in related areas: Threadless, Spreadshirt Vistaprint. If the article is deleted the biography of Martin Hosking should also be deleted as it cannot remain a wp:coatrack for an issue to do with RedBubble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XcommR ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Since User:XcommR is writing in ways that imply otherwise, it's worth noting that he is in fact Martin Hosking: [7]. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 14:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
This business is known only for one thing. Promotion of NAZI slogans on t-shirts which were condemned by Mark Liebler or Arnold Bloch Liebler and who refused to act further as legal adviser for this company. This episode needs coverage in this Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.119.125 ([[User talk:121.44.119.125|talk]]) 04:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Red bubble only relented on selling Hitler and NAZI themed tshirts after 6 months of user and customer fury! 6 months!! If Martin Hosking CEO of Red Bubble is such a believer in "free speech" to defend his right to put these slogans on t-shirts, what about "free speech" to defend the telling of the story of Red Bubble's support for these hate slogans?
Prominent Melbourne law firm Arnold Bloch Liebler announced in 2011 that it would no longer act for Redbubble because as its senior partner explained it could not represent a business that condoned Nazism. Could a conscientious Wikipedia editor please incorporate this into the profile - there are many newsworthy citations. Elizabethpeel ( talk) 08:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Hoskings and Red Bubble were publicly sacked by ABL as clients of ABL due to their continued promotion of Neo-Nazi slogans on t-shirts. "Xcomm" user has it confused if he thinks Hoskins and Red Bubble were on other side of this equation. Evidence? Eventually Simon Wisenthal Centre became involved and as a result of pressure they brought on him, Hoskings finally dropped the t-shirt slogans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.147.88 ( talk) 07:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The thing that's missing here is that Martin Hosking was prepared to take on the so-called "Jewish Lobby" and champion freedom of speech on Hitler or Nazi related topics. Freedom of speech on the Internet is a much bigger thing than a few Fuhrer or Holocaust jokes on tshirts. Martin Hosking is a champion of the freedoms of speech that the Internet allows. The Internet and free speech are more than any lobby group no matter how powerful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.146.2 ( talk) 11:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Some timelines and sources for inclusion
http://extranetevolution.com/2011/06/aconex-chairman-in-hitler-t-shirt-row/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.225.45.243 ( talk) 07:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
The main article on Wikipedia is written as if the nazi t-shirt slogans and sexualised children's wear were some quickly corrected harmless accident. This is not true. The offending materials were sold on RedBubble for many months until the storm of protest against RedBubble reached a stage of Front Page media newspaper and evening TV news. It is true that Martin Hosking defended the material as "free speech". However, he does not tolerate the speech of those who protested instead deleting their comments and accounts. For some strange reason he is pro- free speech when it comes to saying "Back to the Fuhrer" on a tshirt but against free speech of those complaining about it.
This blog chronicled the story
http://1stangel.co.uk/blog/2011/have-redbubble-gone-too-far/#.UDrrP4lhic0
http://1stangel.co.uk/blog/2011/redbubble-furore-not-over/#.UDrvfIlhic0
1firstangel ( talk) 03:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi fellow editors, there seems to be some concern that readers should be clear that RB's law firm quit them because of offensive Hitler images. Therefore I have edited the text to its current version to make that fact perfectly clear. (see below)
I object to the addition of this quote: "We will not act for a company that in effect promotes Nazism, senior partner Mark Leibler told The Sunday Age." because it repeats information already given in the prior sentence. It also violates WP:UNDUE which says: "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views as much of, or as detailed, a description as more widely held views. Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all,..." Comments? Discussion? -- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Is totally misleading to suggest as the Wikipwdia page does now that ABL sacked Redbubble because of "humour and satire" - not at all. It was because Redbubble sold over a period of time and refused to stop selling pro-Nazi slogans on t-shirts. The publicity and pressure that ABL's principled decision brought onto Redbubble and Martin Hosking eventually with other pressure led to Redbubble's decision to stop selling the pro-Nazi slogans on t-shirts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111431Q ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
References
Unless anyone can find one, there is not another example on Wikipedia of a client who has been publicly sacked by their law firm. The reported reasons for the sacking by the lawyers and the reported RedBubble side of the story should both be given prominence in the article. Law firm says "neo-nazi t-shirts" being sold and they cannot continue to act for this client, but client says "just humour and satire" etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.145.44 ( talk) 00:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
This moniker only edits Wiki articles related to Martin Hosking This moniker is operated by someone who at times has claimed to be Martin Hosking and at other times to be someone else This moniker makes outlandish and unsubstantiated claims aimed to subtly discredit Martin Hosking - e.g. that it was reported that it was Redbubble who sacked ABL, or that ABL and Mr Mark Liebler AC only notable for this incident with Redbubble 111431Q ( talk) 02:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Video interviews that are published by reliable sources with no copyright violations can be considered reliable sources. From what I have seen so far the video referenced by XcommR should be considered as a reliable source. YouTube videos are often disqualified from WP as both sources and external links because they are posted by someone other than the owner and that is a copyright violation that WP cannot support or participate in. Regarding user accounts, I also have concerns when I see IP's or accounts popping up daily, whose sole agenda is to insert or strengthen criticism on a single article or topic. I become especially concerned when I see them talking to and supporting each other on the talk page. Lastly, I would caution editors involved here that with the insertion and emphasis of Martin Hosking into the discussion and into the article, certain WP:BLP policy considerations may apply, thereby holding that content to an even higher standard for neutral and balanced representation of reliable sources that does not violate WP:UNDUE weight which creates bias. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Arnold Bloch Leibler explain twice why they sacked Redbubble as a client
On May 24 as soon as ABL became aware of Redbubble selling the merchandise and after Martin Hosking refused to stop selling the offensive merchandise. This was first reported in Jewish news services and then in many other media outlets, e.g. Redbubble's products are described by Mark Leibler as "pro-Hitler merchandise"
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/05/30/3087923/law-firm-severs-ties-with-hipster-hitler http://www.startupsmart.com.au/management/legal-matters/2011-05-27/law-firm-cuts-ties-with-redbubble-over-hitler-t-shirt-controversy.html http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/05/30/hipster-hitler-sends-redbubbles-law-firm-fleeing/
Then again two weeks later on June 5 when Martin Hosking finally relented and stopped selling the offensive products, Mark Leibler explains why ABL would not represent this client in case there was any doubt because Redbubble "in effect supporting Nazism"
The praise from SWC for the decision in the end to cease selling the offensive products came long after ABL had taken its stand and refused to represent Martin Hosking and Redbubble in their selling of these products. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.23.153.236 ( talk) 00:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
http://tatumwulff.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/blowing-whistle-on-redbubbles-serial.html?m=1 The verfiable news links in this article should be used for the main Wiki article. 1firstangel ( talk) 05:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Enough already I too was involved in the campaign from the beginning in November 2010 to get Hipster Hitler tshirts off Redbubble. I too was disgusted by the use of "free speech" as a justification by Martin Hosking for selling nazi slogans on tshirts....while at the same time he deleted criticism and closed accounts of people complaining about those tshirts! Yes...it was pretty stupid of him to try to justify tshirt sales as being "art". I too was deeply saddened by his refusal to listen to the overwhelming opinion of the community against Redbubble selling tastless hate propoganda on tshirts. Yes....it just got worse and worse with the porn and violence sold on baby clothes. Yes....he refused to listen the community about those too until it was too late. But....when is enough "enough"? Redbubble and Martin Hosking have already been dragged through the mud in the media for their mistakes so but there comes a time to leave alone? Redbubble has moved on...time for us all to do the same. I am against Wikipedia articles to keep dragging up all this past, it just damages the innocent victims in all this... who are the loyal members of Redbubble to have their friends and buyers read about this old cra* again recycled on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.160.226 ( talk) 00:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Millions of Palestinians have been driven from their homes and murdered. Now Israel is threatening to attack Iran. All you people worry about are some t-shirts, plluheaasee!! Bring back Hipster Hitler! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.69.63 ( talk) 00:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Law firms with the ethics of Arnold Bloch Leibler who refused to try to defend the indefensible client are very rare. Defending the most extremely in the wrong clients is a national past time in the US. Maybe Australian lawyers could teach a thing or too about ethics. OJ Simpson defense lawyers hard to find Down Under. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torontonio ( talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The article should be edited to make clear that were actually two separate controversies that got Redbubble into the news.
The first was one about Hipster Hitler t-shirts and Arnold Bloch Leibler. They were not satirical images of Hitler on the t-shirts, that's wrong, they were t-shirts with slogans drawn from the comic strip such as DEATH CAMP FOR CUTIE, THREE REICHS AND YOU ARE OUT, BACK TO THE FUHRER
The second controversy was about violence and porn being sold on children's and baby clothing.
There was no relation between the controversies except that in the end Redbubble reversed its stance and stopped selling the offending t-shirts and clothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UberBubbler ( talk • contribs) 10:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
User XcommR has made the claim to be Martin Hosking and should not be editing the article. The user XcommR has edited the article and removed good faith edits to make it factually incorrect which is vandalism. If there are specific things in the article as it stands that need revision, the user XcommR can point them out and cite the verifiable sources for those suggested revisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.97.181 ( talk) 00:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Isn't the most famous thing this company one thing...They were sacked by their own lawyers Arnold Block Leibler for in effect promoting Nazism? How is this missed in the main article? In the age of Donald Trump such things can thrive but shouldn't this main claim to fame at least be reported main article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.148.166.207 ( talk) 09:38, 13 April 2016 (UTC)