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I've changed the description at the end of the plot to make Dutch's presence in Micah's camp more ambiguous, since that's what the game presents. The previous text said Dutch and Micah were working together, which I don't think is explicit at all; Micah says something along the lines of "lots of old friends dropping by today," implying Dutch has only recently arrived, and when John asks Dutch what he's doing there, he says "same as you, I suppose." And then of course he shoots Micah. The implication to me is that Dutch arrived around the same time as John, to kill Micah. That's obviously an extrapolation, but so is "Dutch and Micah are working together," so I've worded it to more closely reflect what the player witnesses. Dr-ziego ( talk) 14:35, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Assuming that the compaction of the fictional states in RDR2 has little to match with the surface and real position of the states to which they refer, would it be more correct to say "set in 1899 in a fictionalized version of the Southern United States"? In fact, New Austin represents Texas, for example. But above all it is clear the reference to the southern states - topics related to slavery in the United States, American Civil War, weather and the American crocodile in the Lemoyne - and also the position of waters in the map suggests a miniaturized version of the Gulf of Mexico. Not surprisingly to the extreme south there's Nuevo Paradiso (Mexico).
It's a little thing after all, but just wanted to know what others think about it. Lone Internaut ( talk) 14:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
The 'reception' section could do with being expanded to include the recent online mode which has seen rather lukewarm reviews to say the least. 81.108.165.3 ( talk) 22:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Since the game has been released for both PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, I think it would be useful to include a file size section on the infobox, quoting the file sizes from the respective stores (89.16 GB on the Microsoft/Xbox store and close to 105 GB on Sony's PlayStation Store.) -- Fandelasketchup ( talk) 00:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Rhain and Wrath X: Do we really need to list each and every outlet that gave RDR2 an award, instead of just a few notable examples? I believe we have List of accolades received by Red Dead Redemption 2 for this. The present sentence is 152 words/1,056 characters long, and if we added every award there is (granted alone that Rockstar's "over 175 GOTYs" number holds up), we would have to add a bazillion more. Lordtobi ( ✉) 12:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Overall As a great fan of the game, I'm very happy to announce that the article Red Dead Redemption 2 has passed the good article criteria. The article is very complete and interesting, and I have nothing to complain about, nor about language, nor about style. Congratulations! Leonidas1206 ( talk) 12:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
If Google Stadia is not considered a platform there needs to be some consistency, on Destiny 2’s page Stadia is listed as a platform. I haven’t checked every stadia game but there might be others JcIceberg4514 ( talk) 22:21, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
I took a look at the synopsis section for this article and found it extremely difficult to follow. The plot summary alone is >810 words, which is generally longer than it should be per the guidelines, and the excessive detail makes it harder to parse. The characters section is currently being used to basically name every single character, and it's incomprehensible with long lists of names and their actors, one after another. Minor characters who are named should probably just be referred to in the plot section, and characters who aren't important to the plot retelling at all—the Guardian rebel leader Fontain, the rival gangs, Eagle Flies, Henry Favours, etc.—should probably be cut. Especially since you've split so much of this content off into separate articles, this should be much shorter.
Other points of confusion:
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Considered by many critics to be one of the greatest video games of all time. 2A02:C7F:72C3:E000:D144:FDC4:85B1:B59E ( talk) 19:07, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Unlike the occasional references to drink, drugs and tobacco in GTA, RDR2 shows most characters central to the story smoking and drinking. Cut scenes show the hero and people he talks to smoking and drinking. This is based on content provided from the game. Go ahead and delete it though, because reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.52.200 ( talk) 08:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
https://www.ign.com/articles/red-dead-redemption-10-years-on-how-rockstar-won-the-west
Why they are not mentioned in the article as developers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:214C:840F:D800:8C8:B29C:8281:7D24 ( talk) 20:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Red Dead Redemption 2 was a sequel (not prequel) to Red Dead Redemption. Goosewah ( talk) 02:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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I've been guilty of adding one recently since being aware of this, but I must enquire as to why we have several articles from Forbes' contributors sourced despite them being generally considered unreliable per WP:VG/S? I'm just surprised that no major contributor to this article, like Rhain, has removed these as I'm sure they are aware of this guideline. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 21:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
The article's lead mentions that Red Dead Redemption 2 is "considered as an example of video games as an art form", which it probably is, but there's nothing sourced that directly supports this and neither does the linked page mention the game. Does anyone have a valid reason as to why the comment should stay without verifiability? Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 16:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The article states that it was the “prequel” to 2010’s Red Dead Redemption. I think obviously it’s meant to say “sequel,” but I’m not allowed to edit. 76.89.96.249 ( talk) 01:16, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
The whole introduction part is written without any citations. Is this intentional? If not, please provide necessary citations for the claims stated in the introduction. Ifteebd10 ( talk) 18:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Greetings. I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Einstein (dog) to reflect an apparent consensus to merge that article to this one. It also closed as a redirect, so the revision in question would be this one. — 🦊 04:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I've been wondering if the developer should be listed as Rockstar Games instead of Rockstar Studios. While Max Payne 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 are similar in that they were developed by a collaboration between Rockstar's studios, their branding appears to be different. While MP3 is explicitly branded as a "Rockstar Studios Production", RDR2 is a "Rockstar Games Production" (per the official back cover art) 1 2.
I could not find any mention of Rockstar Studios at all in RDR2's opening or ending credits. In fact, MP3 and RDR2's end credits are presented differently; MP3 credits the different studios that worked on it and lists the staff under the studio they worked from, RDR2 doesn't mention the studios at all instead listing the staff as if they all worked under a single studio.
The only time I recall Rockstar mentioning Rockstar Studios was the developer of RDR2 was a page on its website but that page has been removed now. The Rockstar Store is active though and it lists MP3's developer as Rockstar Studios while RDR2's developer as Rockstar Games. Other stores such as Steam also list the same but I suppose Rockstar's store is more relevant. The physical discs of the games also do the same (see MP3 and RDR2).
I also suspect GTA VI will also be branded as a Rockstar Games Production but that's just speculation. -- Wrath X ( talk) 02:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be a lot of strong opinions regarding this so I'll go through with the edit. If anyone has anything else to say please do. -- Wrath X ( talk) 07:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've changed the description at the end of the plot to make Dutch's presence in Micah's camp more ambiguous, since that's what the game presents. The previous text said Dutch and Micah were working together, which I don't think is explicit at all; Micah says something along the lines of "lots of old friends dropping by today," implying Dutch has only recently arrived, and when John asks Dutch what he's doing there, he says "same as you, I suppose." And then of course he shoots Micah. The implication to me is that Dutch arrived around the same time as John, to kill Micah. That's obviously an extrapolation, but so is "Dutch and Micah are working together," so I've worded it to more closely reflect what the player witnesses. Dr-ziego ( talk) 14:35, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Assuming that the compaction of the fictional states in RDR2 has little to match with the surface and real position of the states to which they refer, would it be more correct to say "set in 1899 in a fictionalized version of the Southern United States"? In fact, New Austin represents Texas, for example. But above all it is clear the reference to the southern states - topics related to slavery in the United States, American Civil War, weather and the American crocodile in the Lemoyne - and also the position of waters in the map suggests a miniaturized version of the Gulf of Mexico. Not surprisingly to the extreme south there's Nuevo Paradiso (Mexico).
It's a little thing after all, but just wanted to know what others think about it. Lone Internaut ( talk) 14:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
The 'reception' section could do with being expanded to include the recent online mode which has seen rather lukewarm reviews to say the least. 81.108.165.3 ( talk) 22:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Since the game has been released for both PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, I think it would be useful to include a file size section on the infobox, quoting the file sizes from the respective stores (89.16 GB on the Microsoft/Xbox store and close to 105 GB on Sony's PlayStation Store.) -- Fandelasketchup ( talk) 00:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Rhain and Wrath X: Do we really need to list each and every outlet that gave RDR2 an award, instead of just a few notable examples? I believe we have List of accolades received by Red Dead Redemption 2 for this. The present sentence is 152 words/1,056 characters long, and if we added every award there is (granted alone that Rockstar's "over 175 GOTYs" number holds up), we would have to add a bazillion more. Lordtobi ( ✉) 12:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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Overall As a great fan of the game, I'm very happy to announce that the article Red Dead Redemption 2 has passed the good article criteria. The article is very complete and interesting, and I have nothing to complain about, nor about language, nor about style. Congratulations! Leonidas1206 ( talk) 12:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
If Google Stadia is not considered a platform there needs to be some consistency, on Destiny 2’s page Stadia is listed as a platform. I haven’t checked every stadia game but there might be others JcIceberg4514 ( talk) 22:21, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
I took a look at the synopsis section for this article and found it extremely difficult to follow. The plot summary alone is >810 words, which is generally longer than it should be per the guidelines, and the excessive detail makes it harder to parse. The characters section is currently being used to basically name every single character, and it's incomprehensible with long lists of names and their actors, one after another. Minor characters who are named should probably just be referred to in the plot section, and characters who aren't important to the plot retelling at all—the Guardian rebel leader Fontain, the rival gangs, Eagle Flies, Henry Favours, etc.—should probably be cut. Especially since you've split so much of this content off into separate articles, this should be much shorter.
Other points of confusion:
-- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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Considered by many critics to be one of the greatest video games of all time. 2A02:C7F:72C3:E000:D144:FDC4:85B1:B59E ( talk) 19:07, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Unlike the occasional references to drink, drugs and tobacco in GTA, RDR2 shows most characters central to the story smoking and drinking. Cut scenes show the hero and people he talks to smoking and drinking. This is based on content provided from the game. Go ahead and delete it though, because reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.52.200 ( talk) 08:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
https://www.ign.com/articles/red-dead-redemption-10-years-on-how-rockstar-won-the-west
Why they are not mentioned in the article as developers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:214C:840F:D800:8C8:B29C:8281:7D24 ( talk) 20:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Red Dead Redemption 2 was a sequel (not prequel) to Red Dead Redemption. Goosewah ( talk) 02:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 14:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
I've been guilty of adding one recently since being aware of this, but I must enquire as to why we have several articles from Forbes' contributors sourced despite them being generally considered unreliable per WP:VG/S? I'm just surprised that no major contributor to this article, like Rhain, has removed these as I'm sure they are aware of this guideline. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 21:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
The article's lead mentions that Red Dead Redemption 2 is "considered as an example of video games as an art form", which it probably is, but there's nothing sourced that directly supports this and neither does the linked page mention the game. Does anyone have a valid reason as to why the comment should stay without verifiability? Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 16:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The article states that it was the “prequel” to 2010’s Red Dead Redemption. I think obviously it’s meant to say “sequel,” but I’m not allowed to edit. 76.89.96.249 ( talk) 01:16, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
The whole introduction part is written without any citations. Is this intentional? If not, please provide necessary citations for the claims stated in the introduction. Ifteebd10 ( talk) 18:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Greetings. I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Einstein (dog) to reflect an apparent consensus to merge that article to this one. It also closed as a redirect, so the revision in question would be this one. — 🦊 04:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I've been wondering if the developer should be listed as Rockstar Games instead of Rockstar Studios. While Max Payne 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 are similar in that they were developed by a collaboration between Rockstar's studios, their branding appears to be different. While MP3 is explicitly branded as a "Rockstar Studios Production", RDR2 is a "Rockstar Games Production" (per the official back cover art) 1 2.
I could not find any mention of Rockstar Studios at all in RDR2's opening or ending credits. In fact, MP3 and RDR2's end credits are presented differently; MP3 credits the different studios that worked on it and lists the staff under the studio they worked from, RDR2 doesn't mention the studios at all instead listing the staff as if they all worked under a single studio.
The only time I recall Rockstar mentioning Rockstar Studios was the developer of RDR2 was a page on its website but that page has been removed now. The Rockstar Store is active though and it lists MP3's developer as Rockstar Studios while RDR2's developer as Rockstar Games. Other stores such as Steam also list the same but I suppose Rockstar's store is more relevant. The physical discs of the games also do the same (see MP3 and RDR2).
I also suspect GTA VI will also be branded as a Rockstar Games Production but that's just speculation. -- Wrath X ( talk) 02:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be a lot of strong opinions regarding this so I'll go through with the edit. If anyone has anything else to say please do. -- Wrath X ( talk) 07:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
I am not certain if there is a standard formatting for these proposals, so I am sorry if there is. However, I did read A-Class criteria, so I do at least know the basic method.
Anyway, I believe that this article certainly meets the requirements for an A-Class article. I believe that it meets the Featured article criteria well enough for being well-written, comprehensive, well-researched, neutral, stable, compliant with Wikipedia's copyright policy, to be considered as an A-Class article.
I love this article, and I love this game, so it would be great to see it be A-Class! Coulomb1 ( talk) 01:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I would like to be able to be able to make articles about towns, states, and some other topics that do not have links. Collin King ( talk) 20:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/take-two-moves-grand-theft-auto-6-out-of-current-fiscal-year 2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:5843:1535:EB65:366 ( talk) 20:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)