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South Sudan needs to be in the map. It is currently a UN recognized country. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Xonden ( talk 鈥 contribs)
Having spent a long time editing the main section, this article is WOEFUL. Issues in the section are needs clarification as countries don't make statements but people (or ministries) do (case in point, the Bosnia split), there are unquoted words of "strongly" etc which appears as if we are emphasizing it an dis then SYNTHESIS, WTA, we need consistent ref formatting, there [were] redundant names when the flag is already there for states, grammar needs a SOLID check, apparently it is copy+pasted from sources. overall it needs consisetency. Lihaas ( talk) 23:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
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The image needs to be fixed. As shown by the sources provided, Mexico condemns the actions of both Israel and Palestine. 187.195.253.101 ( talk) 01:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Why Argentina is red?! 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 讚谉234 ( talk 鈥 contribs)
Australia should be yellow. "The media release called on all parties to exercise restraint and avoid a further escalation of violence." 39.55.51.201 ( talk)
What happened to the map? I thought it was a great addition. 2607:F470:12:A:189D:1013:2F24:84CA ( talk) 17:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I have added level markers per MOS:SECTIONS. We do need it, as otherwise the subheadings do not appear in the table of contents and the section hierarchy is not clear. Helen Online 08:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
@ AcidSnow, Number 57, and Dt Mos Ios: Regarding your edit here. Pputting a long quote from one person in this section is WP:UNDUE. How does the opinion of one man compare with major human rights orgs and Red cross etc. and why does it deserve so much space? Kingsindian ( talk) 20:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@ AcidSnow: As I said, it is not clear to me that he fits at all. There are tens if not hundreds of members of parliament in every country. We can't include all of their statements. I suggest just keeping the David Norris quote out, unless there is something especially notable there. I think the celebrities section should be dumped as well, but for now, I have put an undue tag on it. Kingsindian ( talk) 16:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I envision the lead for this article being used as a summary on the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict page for the "Reactions" section. I have added stuff from that page here. Some of the stuff is duplicated, sorry about that. I will try to remove the duplicate stuff as soon I can.
The lead needs to be expanded thoroughly, in a WP:SS manner, so that it can serve a good introduction to this article, as well as serving as a summary for the main article. I have added transclusion tags in the lead, which, as long as nobody messes with them, should create no problems.
There have been many concerns on the other page that the article had become too bloated. This will kill 2 birds with one stone, removing the bloat on the other page, as well as improving the lead for this page. Kingsindian ( talk) 15:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I feel it is undue weight. Reactions from world leaders? Absolutely. Celebrities? Not so much. And if it is not undue weight, it should at least have the same amount in support as opposed. Knightmare72589 ( talk) 01:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Wlglunight93: As you can see, the EU statement talks about all sorts of things. In the same point where it talks about "human shields" it talks about civilian deaths, humanitarian situation and conduct of war etc. The lead is a place for a summary: this is currently rendered as "The European Union has condemned the violations of the laws of war by both sides". It is not correct to simply include condemnation of one side. Kingsindian ( talk) 03:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
The EU strongly condemns the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas and militant groups in the Gaza Strip, directly harming civilians. These are criminal and unjustifiable acts. The EU calls on Hamas to immediately put an end to these acts and to renounce violence. All terrorist groups in Gaza must disarm. The EU strongly condemns calls on the civilian population of Gaza to provide themselves as human shields. The EU condemns the loss of hundreds of civilian lives, among them many women and children. While recognizing Israel's legitimate right to defend itself against any attacks, the EU underlines that the Israeli military operation must be proportionate and in line with international humanitarian law. The EU stresses the need for protection of civilians at all times. The EU is particularly appalled by the human cost of the Israeli military operation in Shuja'iyya, and is deeply concerned at the rapidly deteriorating humanitarian situation. All sides must meet their obligations and immediately allow safe and full humanitarian access in Gaza for the urgent distribution of assistance. The EU calls on all sides to implement in good faith an immediate cease fire.
I think all those images don't belong to this section (demonstrations are covered below). I was going to remove them (except for those in the proper section), but first I want to hear other opinions.-- Wlglunight93 ( talk) 04:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
It seems that the other article is just a stub. Can be merged in the anti-Semitism section here. Kingsindian ( talk) 06:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I believe a section regarding the comments of celebrities and public figures could be the place where different oppinions could be mentioned. I removed the single selective comment, as there were many others who expressed their oppinion and are n0pt mentioned, nor we have the section where we can mention them. The annual Al Quds day is not related directly to this subject, and although it could be mentioned in the sections regarding demos, no separate section is needed, especially not with the list of places where this annual even was held. -- Tritomex ( talk) 13:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC) If there are no objections, I will remove Al Quds day anual event from this article.-- Tritomex ( talk) 00:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
About this reversal by Mevarus. Mevarus reinstalled the paragraph they added themselves a day earlier. 1. Claiming that I did not read the source is bad faith. 2. The pieces does name-dropping, but none of these peolple have any connection to the subject (unlike, say, diplomats or inhabitants). Nor does their connection being "Hollywood" (mentioned in the title) is a grade of connection. 3. The statement, which is quoted in that source is not specific to the 2014 Gaza war, except for the opening line that does not take side. 4. I don't see why the source [1] qualifies as a RS in this topic. - DePiep ( talk) 06:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
seems we can get rid of the onlyinclude/noinclude stuff since this is not transcluded anywhere. Frietjes ( talk) 01:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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The section puts over that there was unanimous backing from Shoah survivors, which is ridiculously counterfactual.
A letter to the New York Times by 327 survivors of the Holocaust and their descendants condemned the war as a massacre ands called for a boycott of Israel. Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for 鈥楪aza Massacre鈥, Call for Boycott, Haaretz 23 August 2014.
That used to be in articles on this period, and has been dutifully erased, ad majorem gloriam dei. Nishidani ( talk) 19:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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South Sudan needs to be in the map. It is currently a UN recognized country. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Xonden ( talk 鈥 contribs)
Having spent a long time editing the main section, this article is WOEFUL. Issues in the section are needs clarification as countries don't make statements but people (or ministries) do (case in point, the Bosnia split), there are unquoted words of "strongly" etc which appears as if we are emphasizing it an dis then SYNTHESIS, WTA, we need consistent ref formatting, there [were] redundant names when the flag is already there for states, grammar needs a SOLID check, apparently it is copy+pasted from sources. overall it needs consisetency. Lihaas ( talk) 23:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Lihaas ( talk) 04:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The image needs to be fixed. As shown by the sources provided, Mexico condemns the actions of both Israel and Palestine. 187.195.253.101 ( talk) 01:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Why Argentina is red?! 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 讚谉234 ( talk 鈥 contribs)
Australia should be yellow. "The media release called on all parties to exercise restraint and avoid a further escalation of violence." 39.55.51.201 ( talk)
What happened to the map? I thought it was a great addition. 2607:F470:12:A:189D:1013:2F24:84CA ( talk) 17:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I have added level markers per MOS:SECTIONS. We do need it, as otherwise the subheadings do not appear in the table of contents and the section hierarchy is not clear. Helen Online 08:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
@ AcidSnow, Number 57, and Dt Mos Ios: Regarding your edit here. Pputting a long quote from one person in this section is WP:UNDUE. How does the opinion of one man compare with major human rights orgs and Red cross etc. and why does it deserve so much space? Kingsindian ( talk) 20:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@ AcidSnow: As I said, it is not clear to me that he fits at all. There are tens if not hundreds of members of parliament in every country. We can't include all of their statements. I suggest just keeping the David Norris quote out, unless there is something especially notable there. I think the celebrities section should be dumped as well, but for now, I have put an undue tag on it. Kingsindian ( talk) 16:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I envision the lead for this article being used as a summary on the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict page for the "Reactions" section. I have added stuff from that page here. Some of the stuff is duplicated, sorry about that. I will try to remove the duplicate stuff as soon I can.
The lead needs to be expanded thoroughly, in a WP:SS manner, so that it can serve a good introduction to this article, as well as serving as a summary for the main article. I have added transclusion tags in the lead, which, as long as nobody messes with them, should create no problems.
There have been many concerns on the other page that the article had become too bloated. This will kill 2 birds with one stone, removing the bloat on the other page, as well as improving the lead for this page. Kingsindian ( talk) 15:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I feel it is undue weight. Reactions from world leaders? Absolutely. Celebrities? Not so much. And if it is not undue weight, it should at least have the same amount in support as opposed. Knightmare72589 ( talk) 01:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Wlglunight93: As you can see, the EU statement talks about all sorts of things. In the same point where it talks about "human shields" it talks about civilian deaths, humanitarian situation and conduct of war etc. The lead is a place for a summary: this is currently rendered as "The European Union has condemned the violations of the laws of war by both sides". It is not correct to simply include condemnation of one side. Kingsindian ( talk) 03:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
The EU strongly condemns the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas and militant groups in the Gaza Strip, directly harming civilians. These are criminal and unjustifiable acts. The EU calls on Hamas to immediately put an end to these acts and to renounce violence. All terrorist groups in Gaza must disarm. The EU strongly condemns calls on the civilian population of Gaza to provide themselves as human shields. The EU condemns the loss of hundreds of civilian lives, among them many women and children. While recognizing Israel's legitimate right to defend itself against any attacks, the EU underlines that the Israeli military operation must be proportionate and in line with international humanitarian law. The EU stresses the need for protection of civilians at all times. The EU is particularly appalled by the human cost of the Israeli military operation in Shuja'iyya, and is deeply concerned at the rapidly deteriorating humanitarian situation. All sides must meet their obligations and immediately allow safe and full humanitarian access in Gaza for the urgent distribution of assistance. The EU calls on all sides to implement in good faith an immediate cease fire.
I think all those images don't belong to this section (demonstrations are covered below). I was going to remove them (except for those in the proper section), but first I want to hear other opinions.-- Wlglunight93 ( talk) 04:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
It seems that the other article is just a stub. Can be merged in the anti-Semitism section here. Kingsindian ( talk) 06:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I believe a section regarding the comments of celebrities and public figures could be the place where different oppinions could be mentioned. I removed the single selective comment, as there were many others who expressed their oppinion and are n0pt mentioned, nor we have the section where we can mention them. The annual Al Quds day is not related directly to this subject, and although it could be mentioned in the sections regarding demos, no separate section is needed, especially not with the list of places where this annual even was held. -- Tritomex ( talk) 13:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC) If there are no objections, I will remove Al Quds day anual event from this article.-- Tritomex ( talk) 00:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
About this reversal by Mevarus. Mevarus reinstalled the paragraph they added themselves a day earlier. 1. Claiming that I did not read the source is bad faith. 2. The pieces does name-dropping, but none of these peolple have any connection to the subject (unlike, say, diplomats or inhabitants). Nor does their connection being "Hollywood" (mentioned in the title) is a grade of connection. 3. The statement, which is quoted in that source is not specific to the 2014 Gaza war, except for the opening line that does not take side. 4. I don't see why the source [1] qualifies as a RS in this topic. - DePiep ( talk) 06:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
seems we can get rid of the onlyinclude/noinclude stuff since this is not transcluded anywhere. Frietjes ( talk) 01:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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The section puts over that there was unanimous backing from Shoah survivors, which is ridiculously counterfactual.
A letter to the New York Times by 327 survivors of the Holocaust and their descendants condemned the war as a massacre ands called for a boycott of Israel. Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for 鈥楪aza Massacre鈥, Call for Boycott, Haaretz 23 August 2014.
That used to be in articles on this period, and has been dutifully erased, ad majorem gloriam dei. Nishidani ( talk) 19:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)