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The article states that the meaning of the name of the town is "head of the spring" - this seems very doubtful as a translation to me, as a person who know arabic (though not an Arab myself). Rather the meaning of "ra's" here is most probably, as in most place names, that of "height" or "[mountain] top", so that the meaning should be (idiomatically) translated as something like "spring hill" or "mountain of the well". Does this sound reasonable to anyone, preferably with knowledge of the area, who reads this? I am going to leave this standing here for a couple of days, and if no remarks are made I'll just change it. That it is old (i.e. pre-arabic) seems most probable, and I have no argument with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.18.169.243 ( talk) 03:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. After three weeks and a relisting, we have a rough consensus that this is the primary topic. Cúchullain t/ c 16:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Ras al-Ayn, al-Hasakah Governorate →
Ras al-Ayn – With the other localities with the same name being relatively small villages, this city and district capital clearly is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, see also
[1] vs.
[2],
[3], or
[4]. The disambiguation page should be moved to
Ras al-Ayn (disambiguation).
PanchoS (
talk) 21:48, 9 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
George Ho (
talk) 02:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
SDF recaptured the town earlier today. [5] [6] -- Semsurî ( talk) 12:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear editors to the this article. I would like to emphasize that the decree to ban non-arabic place names is sourced, and with a good source. Maybe about the wording we can differ, but as per source, it happened. [1]. I sure do not want to include unsourced info about Serekanye. As per source, it happened, and sincerely, the Arab belt campaign is now not an era, of which Syrian "democratic" institutions can be proud about. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 22:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Its easy to solve this. Paradise Chronicle should provide an academic reliable source dating to before 1977 mentioning the Kurdish name (serekanye). Otherwise, there is no way to claim that the decree banned the serekanye name. Also, if its a decree, then it means banning all official non Arabic names and replacing them with Arabic names as there is no point from issuing a decree to ban popular usage of names (decrees are for institutions, not for commoners: no one can decree that in my daily life I need to use the work VolksWagen instead of VW for example). So, a reliable academic source should also be provided demonstrating that the name serekanye, not only existed before 1977, but was also used officially then banned. If the argument for not providing such a reliable source is that Kurdish documents were destroyed by the dictators, then this can be disregarded as we dont work on feelings and accusations. If it is not documented, it does not exist.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 01:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Amr Ibn Kuthoum, I'd like to clarify that in the English article about Ras al Ayn the Kurdish name Serekanye in known since 2009. Way before the New York Times article. And even the New York times is after the ANF article I showed here at the talk page. I'd really encourage you to inform yourself a bit before you add phrases containing invented or always into Wikipedia. Specially if you notice your edits are being reverted. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 07:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ras al-Ayn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "census2004":
Pcode 'C5965'
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@ AntonSamuel: Can you explain the removal of sourced material and references and the addition of a citation needed template instead? There was no edit war as you claim in your edit. The dispute was over one word "Ras al-Ayn" vs. "Rēš Aynā" suggested by user Konli17. I had left it at your last edit (mirroring Konli edit), so this new removal of the entire paragraph altogether is not really justified. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 18:20, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
There is no evidence that the Kurdish name Sere kaniye existed back in 1977 when this alleged decree appeared. Furthermore, the Gunter reference from 2014 does not mention that the name Sere kaniye was banned. The name was mentioned on pages 21, 114, 115 and 116, but no mention of it being banned. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 03:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
While the bombing itself is a significant event, it should be merged into the modern history segment of the main article. There is insufficient material here to form a freestanding article Fiddle Faddle 11:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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The article states that the meaning of the name of the town is "head of the spring" - this seems very doubtful as a translation to me, as a person who know arabic (though not an Arab myself). Rather the meaning of "ra's" here is most probably, as in most place names, that of "height" or "[mountain] top", so that the meaning should be (idiomatically) translated as something like "spring hill" or "mountain of the well". Does this sound reasonable to anyone, preferably with knowledge of the area, who reads this? I am going to leave this standing here for a couple of days, and if no remarks are made I'll just change it. That it is old (i.e. pre-arabic) seems most probable, and I have no argument with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.18.169.243 ( talk) 03:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. After three weeks and a relisting, we have a rough consensus that this is the primary topic. Cúchullain t/ c 16:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Ras al-Ayn, al-Hasakah Governorate →
Ras al-Ayn – With the other localities with the same name being relatively small villages, this city and district capital clearly is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, see also
[1] vs.
[2],
[3], or
[4]. The disambiguation page should be moved to
Ras al-Ayn (disambiguation).
PanchoS (
talk) 21:48, 9 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
George Ho (
talk) 02:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
SDF recaptured the town earlier today. [5] [6] -- Semsurî ( talk) 12:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear editors to the this article. I would like to emphasize that the decree to ban non-arabic place names is sourced, and with a good source. Maybe about the wording we can differ, but as per source, it happened. [1]. I sure do not want to include unsourced info about Serekanye. As per source, it happened, and sincerely, the Arab belt campaign is now not an era, of which Syrian "democratic" institutions can be proud about. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 22:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Its easy to solve this. Paradise Chronicle should provide an academic reliable source dating to before 1977 mentioning the Kurdish name (serekanye). Otherwise, there is no way to claim that the decree banned the serekanye name. Also, if its a decree, then it means banning all official non Arabic names and replacing them with Arabic names as there is no point from issuing a decree to ban popular usage of names (decrees are for institutions, not for commoners: no one can decree that in my daily life I need to use the work VolksWagen instead of VW for example). So, a reliable academic source should also be provided demonstrating that the name serekanye, not only existed before 1977, but was also used officially then banned. If the argument for not providing such a reliable source is that Kurdish documents were destroyed by the dictators, then this can be disregarded as we dont work on feelings and accusations. If it is not documented, it does not exist.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 01:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: url-status (
link)
Dear Amr Ibn Kuthoum, I'd like to clarify that in the English article about Ras al Ayn the Kurdish name Serekanye in known since 2009. Way before the New York Times article. And even the New York times is after the ANF article I showed here at the talk page. I'd really encourage you to inform yourself a bit before you add phrases containing invented or always into Wikipedia. Specially if you notice your edits are being reverted. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 07:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ras al-Ayn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "census2004":
Pcode 'C5965'
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@ AntonSamuel: Can you explain the removal of sourced material and references and the addition of a citation needed template instead? There was no edit war as you claim in your edit. The dispute was over one word "Ras al-Ayn" vs. "Rēš Aynā" suggested by user Konli17. I had left it at your last edit (mirroring Konli edit), so this new removal of the entire paragraph altogether is not really justified. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 18:20, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
There is no evidence that the Kurdish name Sere kaniye existed back in 1977 when this alleged decree appeared. Furthermore, the Gunter reference from 2014 does not mention that the name Sere kaniye was banned. The name was mentioned on pages 21, 114, 115 and 116, but no mention of it being banned. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 03:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
While the bombing itself is a significant event, it should be merged into the modern history segment of the main article. There is insufficient material here to form a freestanding article Fiddle Faddle 11:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)