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Miscallaneous sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article. -- The_stuart 18:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I have google searched for both names (with full name in quotations): Ramsan Kadyrov returned only 219 pages, while Ramzan Kadyrov returns a hefty 49,400 pages. Based on this, I propose to change the name. MarkBeer 03:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. This isn't even debatable. There's no reason to have the 's' in his name. This is a major embarassment to the encylclopedia's credibility within the Chechen diaspora community.
Well I have moved the article to Ramzan Kadyrov because everyone seems to use that spelling and we should try to get these things correct -- Wikipediatastic 17:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone knows any facts before he had switched sides? Or was he completely unknown back then?
[1] if someone feels ready to update.
I know this man is not exactly a kind gentleman with a heart of gold, to say the very least. However, having almost 50% of the article for his alleged atrocities, without considering the other side of the story, seems a little bit too much. Maybe we need more NPOV here. Tnapoleao 09:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Not necessarily. Right now, this wikipedia article doesn't BEGIN to describe all that Kadyrov has done to Chechnya.
I'm no fan of this fella, but this article (and the talk page) is riddled with unsubstantiated sources. franz fanon Sep 22 07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.78.156 ( talk) 16:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree here, there should be notices of what he is credited for too. 77.250.171.134 ( talk) 22:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
This article definitely needs some oversight. People feel quite strongly about Chechnya, needless to say. However, his human rights abuses are widely attested by Time, Newsweek, the BBC, etc. -Cpapadelis April 31 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.152.239 ( talk) 18:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, to finish this off, NPOV means giving the facts (all of them) and letting the reader decide. Kadyrov is known to have committed atrocities (and, as the commenter above me says, that is acknowledged by all major news sources save for a few russian propaganda papers which acknowledge that they are controlled by the Kremlin), so this must stay in. If you want to add (with non-propaganda sources of course) th "other side", which I assume is what he accomplished with his atrocities, then go right ahead. Just remember that for some people (i.e. Hitler, Pol Pot; not that I'm comparing him to those extreme examples), there is no other side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.56.59 ( talk) 01:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Kadyrov did bring at least some normal peaceful life for ordinary chechens, something none of the previous leaders since 1990 was able to do. Chechnya was in a constant war from 1991 till at least 2003. The atrocities brought around by the war alone were incomparable to the current human right abuses. —Preceding
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Ramzan Kadyrov is a hero of the Chechen people and knows that only peace can come from co-operation and mutual friendship with Russia. Kadyrov is an advocate of peace and a great man who has fought against islamic extremism so that Chechnya can be a free and prosperous autonomous nation-state inside Russia.
Such NPOV in the article and use of irrelevant images should be ceased immediately, as they are most likely edited by pro-Islamofasicst, pro-Al Qaeda Terrorist maniacs who want to enslave Chechnya under the banner of Sharia law that enslaves the Chechen people, whether they be Muslim or Otherwise.
Chechnya is finally at peace and its people are free, due to the killing of Basayev and the rise of Kadyrov as our leader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.27.243.73 ( talk) 07:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
Is there anyone who actually disagrees that Kadyrov's administration is pro-Kremlin? Or that he may very well be responsible for human rights abuses? Samian 19:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The intro says that Ramzan has been President of Chechnya since 2 March 2007. However, he was appointed acting president on 15 February and was sworn in for a regular term on 5 April. 2 March is only significant as the date he was elected, which seems to be irrelevant if we're talking about the date he took office. It seems to me the intro should say either 15 February or 5 April. Everyking 12:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd propose to change this into a section about his highly extravagant lifestyle.
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It's interesting to compare this article to the articles of anti-Moscow Chechens. The latter ones provide a detailed biography and usually don't mention any accusations of war crimes and terrorism in the lead. Even in text the accusations are mentioned only in passing, and are immediately countered by defending arguments. This article, in contrast, has a very weak biography section, and concentrates almost entirely on accusations of war crimes, etc. I wonder where this curious difference comes from? :) Offliner ( talk) 09:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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Do we really need such a huge list of every incident that someone claims may be linked to Kadyrov, or just "forces loyal to Kadyrov" (which is a different thing). I think a general statement such as "he has been criticised for human rights abuses", and then one or two cases as examples would be enough. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. We don't list every single case of someone expressing criticism of Bush in the Bush article either. Offliner ( talk) 05:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is a complete mess regarding NPOV. It's mostly a collection of quotes about accusations of human rights violations. For example, first we have the chapter "Militia leader", which consists 95% of quotes of human rights violations. But then we hear those accusations again in the "accusations of..." sector. Hardly anywhere is there a mention of his accomplishments, such as having brought peace and stability to Chechnya, although this is what has made a very real impact on the lives of ordinary Chechens.
"Eating ice cream and laughing with her friends at an outdoor cafe next to a brand-new fountain in one of the city's central squares, Asya Tashtamirova says venturing outside after dusk used to be mortally dangerous. Now, she says, life is better than it's ever been." [3]
As a biography, this article is a complete joke. It's just a bunch of random news items and quotes of criticism, probably inserted in order to discredit the man. Maybe I (or someone) will rewrite this thing. The main point is, that although criticism naturally has its place, it should not make up over 80% of the article like it does now. Instead of focusing on third-party opinions about him, we should focus on just neutrally describing the man's biography. Offliner ( talk) 08:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe the citation of Kadyrov belongs to this article. This is a very notable statement by him, a statement of his political attitude and will and of his personal commitment to Putin. English translation was taken from a publication by Jamestown Foundation (now deadlink, but Russian original is there). If you feel this is cited out of context, please provide appropriate context. I do not think he means at all murderers of his father (BTW - who they are?), but if you can support this by sources, please do. Biophys ( talk) 00:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
There's a whole long section in this article with such title. Yet, much information there is based on evidence provided by a single person. But there are normal civilized mechanisms to deal with such accusations, like, the court rulings. Therefore, I propose to remove accusations but the ones which were a) brought into the courts of Russia or the European Union, or b) spoken of by the major recognized world's human rights organizations. Otherwise, that section would be just a junk box for anti-Kadyrov complaints, which would not allow to distinguish between real or fake accusations. ellol ( talk) 13:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The source [7] says: In Chechnya we are observing the politicization of the Kunta Hajji current of the Qadiri order of Sufi Islam (followers of the mid-19th century preacher Kunta-Hajji Kishiev), a representative of which is Ramzan Kadyrov. There is nothing there about him being a representative of Sunni Islam. I am ignorant here, can a Sufi Muslim be a Sunny Muslim at the same time? Regarding the population of the Chechen Republic, AFAIK some versions of Sunni are tolerated while others like Wahhabi are persecuted. I think we should either provide references of Kadyrov being Sunni the same time as Sufi or drop mentioning of Sunni Islam as his religion all together. Alex Bakharev ( talk) 06:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
It is clearly stated in URL: 27 of the Article (though in Russian9 that he has seven Children. Why is that removed? It is the Official Homepage stating that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.132.170.123 ( talk) 11:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
And for the obvious reasons: it's directionless, unorganized, badly-written.
This biographical article should be actually biographical, that is about the life of Ramzan K.
Something like that:
It's not all apsects, but should give you idea.
That's instead of sections "Bill to ban energy drinks in Chechnya" (WHO CARES), and "Boston bombing suspects" (really?). -- Niemti ( talk) 11:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Btw, there's this widespread meme according to which Ramzan was a "rebel" in the 1990s. Wikipedia sez "Ramzan, from the age of 16, leading a small unit of separatist fighters in the First Chechen War". Reality: the teenage Ramzan drove a car for his dad (and Delimkhanov was a driver for Raduyev). Maybe I'll rewrite it myself, for now I'll just change it and remove some obvious trivia and just silly stuff. -- Niemti ( talk) 20:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Btw, Thomas de Waal once compared him to Uday Hussein, the psychopathic son of Saddam: [10] -- Niemti ( talk) 21:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Worry not, I know to avoid such POV like
Yes, I really feel his reaction to the Boston bombing is relevant. The bombings brought the whole issue of Chechnya to the fore on an international stage. His reaction to the incident goes to his attitudes toward terrorism which ethnic Chechen (fairly or not) have been associated with in the past (Beslan, Moscow theater) and are now being reinforced by the fact that the bombers in this internationally reported terrorist attack are Chechen. As the President of the current Chechen govt. he is a spokesman for the Chechen people (fairly or not) and his views on this subject of how and why these two "radicalized" and how - in his view - it does not represent the people of Chechnya is important.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 21:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Meanwhile in Ramzanland: [13] ("The muscle-bound leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, boasted yesterday that he had challenged a minister to a sparring session to punish him for errors, posting photographs of their punch-up on his Instagram page. Yesterday Russia’s NTV aired footage of Kadyrov in the ring with the minister, Salambek Ismailov, who appeared to pull his punches, while Kadyrov aimed blows at his face and groin. In the gym watching the sparring was Russian Minister of Labour and Social Protection Maxim Topilin, who was shown smiling broadly on television.") But no, he's not "a former rebel leader in Chechnya", but this meme has become a media "fact" (actually it's not even what Ramzan himself boasts of, instead he only says he was "with the people" in the war, actually he was with his dad). -- Niemti ( talk) 10:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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Why is this fact buried? It's his defining characteristic and the rallying cry of Chechnyian separatists. Please stop whitewashing pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.106.131 ( talk) 20:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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@ MarkBeer, Wikipediatastic, Tnapoleao, SNAAAAKE!!, Everyking, and Sourcecheck:president.gov.by/ru/news_ru/view/glava-chechenskoj-respubliki-rossijskoj-federatsii-ramzan-kadyrov-nagrazhden-ordenom-druzhby-narodov-19310/ The President of Belarus awarded the Order of Friendship of Peoples
Оn the Internet among the Russian-speaking population are mocking Kadyrov. However, most of the Russian population is afraid of Kadyrov, since he believes in his involvement in many killings on the territory of Chechnya and far beyond its borders. Also Kadyrov is often ridiculed, portraying as an illiterate person with a craving for sexual violence over animals (sheep). 31.23.88.13 ( talk) 20:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
the meetings in Moscow give the impression that Putin is afraid. (indeed there seems to be this deep dark terror, the basis of which is easy to grasp- the trauma, Kadyrov is thought to be popular because of the perception of him practicing taqiyya). 80%+ of Chechnya budget is gifted by Moscow. Yet Chechen traditions totally trump Russian law, while Kadyrov openly says kill any Russian policeman entering "his" territory, etc. Yet Putin does nothing. i.e. this is a policy of extraordinary appeasament, which to be sure, seems to have been quite successful. 84.253.217.84 ( talk) 07:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
I have started a move discussion regarding the move of the Kadyrovtsy article to the English-language equivalent of the term, Kadyrovites. If editors are interested, they may join the discussion. — AFreshStart ( talk) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Russian fascists should be removed, there are no RS stating that Kadyrov is a fascist, this is original research and POV. -- 2804:248:f6ae:e300:3d54:44d0:27cb:5661 ( talk) 23:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
"Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression."
Couldn't we change this line into some like "Kadyrov has been accused of ruling the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression."? --
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in /info/en/?search=Ramzan_Kadyrov#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine , edit to /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E7:1F04:B900:8C60:65D5:4356:BFB0 ( talk) 11:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
In the COVID-19 section, it may be worth adding that Kadyrov has been very supportive of the COVID-19 vaccination campaign and warned that the vaccine hesitant will have a harder time accessing public services:
https://www.rferl.org/a/chechnya-threatens-tough-measures-for-those-refusing-covid-19-vaccination/31338115.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.100.143.210 ( talk) 08:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
While it's true he said something on his Telegram channel, this is very far from actually doing it. Political figures often say things not true. They tell lies for many reasons. And Kadyrov has a history of lying about his desire to step down. For example to signal to Putin that he wants something or-else. It's wishful thinking to read too much into this Telegram post, at this point. -- Green C 17:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
"The Russian Federation funnels money to the Kadyrov family." I cannot find that stated in the cited reference. 14.2.202.136 ( talk) 10:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
"The family gets money through the Akhmad Kadyrov Fund, a non-transparent foundation headed by Kadyrov’s mother, Ayman." The cited reference also states that this money is provided by donations from businessmen and private citizens. The article needs to be balanced, and not read like some "60 Minutes" expose. 14.2.202.136 ( talk) 10:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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following his promotion by President Putin on Wednesday 5th October. OSDefence ( talk) 15:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
In the last sentence of the subsection "Threats to citizens insulting someone's honor", Kadyrov's name is misspelled as "Kadryov". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.146.75 ( talk) 23:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think that criticism needs to be removed from the summary, but half of the summary is dedicated exclusively to criticism, not all of which is strictly unopinionated. The amount of editorializing in the article seems to have exploded since the invasion of Ukraine. The article for Mohammed Bin Salman is a good example of a summary that can emphasize criticism without clearly revealing the politics of the writer. "Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression" and the entire final paragraph of the summary ("Kadyrov has adopted a macho image...") should probably be removed. Cnkso ( talk) 06:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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Remove "He is known to have sex with goats and men." Jack8168 ( talk) 04:35, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Miscallaneous sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article. -- The_stuart 18:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I have google searched for both names (with full name in quotations): Ramsan Kadyrov returned only 219 pages, while Ramzan Kadyrov returns a hefty 49,400 pages. Based on this, I propose to change the name. MarkBeer 03:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. This isn't even debatable. There's no reason to have the 's' in his name. This is a major embarassment to the encylclopedia's credibility within the Chechen diaspora community.
Well I have moved the article to Ramzan Kadyrov because everyone seems to use that spelling and we should try to get these things correct -- Wikipediatastic 17:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone knows any facts before he had switched sides? Or was he completely unknown back then?
[1] if someone feels ready to update.
I know this man is not exactly a kind gentleman with a heart of gold, to say the very least. However, having almost 50% of the article for his alleged atrocities, without considering the other side of the story, seems a little bit too much. Maybe we need more NPOV here. Tnapoleao 09:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Not necessarily. Right now, this wikipedia article doesn't BEGIN to describe all that Kadyrov has done to Chechnya.
I'm no fan of this fella, but this article (and the talk page) is riddled with unsubstantiated sources. franz fanon Sep 22 07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.78.156 ( talk) 16:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree here, there should be notices of what he is credited for too. 77.250.171.134 ( talk) 22:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
This article definitely needs some oversight. People feel quite strongly about Chechnya, needless to say. However, his human rights abuses are widely attested by Time, Newsweek, the BBC, etc. -Cpapadelis April 31 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.152.239 ( talk) 18:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, to finish this off, NPOV means giving the facts (all of them) and letting the reader decide. Kadyrov is known to have committed atrocities (and, as the commenter above me says, that is acknowledged by all major news sources save for a few russian propaganda papers which acknowledge that they are controlled by the Kremlin), so this must stay in. If you want to add (with non-propaganda sources of course) th "other side", which I assume is what he accomplished with his atrocities, then go right ahead. Just remember that for some people (i.e. Hitler, Pol Pot; not that I'm comparing him to those extreme examples), there is no other side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.56.59 ( talk) 01:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Kadyrov did bring at least some normal peaceful life for ordinary chechens, something none of the previous leaders since 1990 was able to do. Chechnya was in a constant war from 1991 till at least 2003. The atrocities brought around by the war alone were incomparable to the current human right abuses. —Preceding
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Ramzan Kadyrov is a hero of the Chechen people and knows that only peace can come from co-operation and mutual friendship with Russia. Kadyrov is an advocate of peace and a great man who has fought against islamic extremism so that Chechnya can be a free and prosperous autonomous nation-state inside Russia.
Such NPOV in the article and use of irrelevant images should be ceased immediately, as they are most likely edited by pro-Islamofasicst, pro-Al Qaeda Terrorist maniacs who want to enslave Chechnya under the banner of Sharia law that enslaves the Chechen people, whether they be Muslim or Otherwise.
Chechnya is finally at peace and its people are free, due to the killing of Basayev and the rise of Kadyrov as our leader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.27.243.73 ( talk) 07:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
Is there anyone who actually disagrees that Kadyrov's administration is pro-Kremlin? Or that he may very well be responsible for human rights abuses? Samian 19:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The intro says that Ramzan has been President of Chechnya since 2 March 2007. However, he was appointed acting president on 15 February and was sworn in for a regular term on 5 April. 2 March is only significant as the date he was elected, which seems to be irrelevant if we're talking about the date he took office. It seems to me the intro should say either 15 February or 5 April. Everyking 12:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd propose to change this into a section about his highly extravagant lifestyle.
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It's interesting to compare this article to the articles of anti-Moscow Chechens. The latter ones provide a detailed biography and usually don't mention any accusations of war crimes and terrorism in the lead. Even in text the accusations are mentioned only in passing, and are immediately countered by defending arguments. This article, in contrast, has a very weak biography section, and concentrates almost entirely on accusations of war crimes, etc. I wonder where this curious difference comes from? :) Offliner ( talk) 09:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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Why remove? All of them belong to good (helpful) links, not "links to avoid". WP instructions do not prescribe deletions of all links. Biophys ( talk) 04:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need such a huge list of every incident that someone claims may be linked to Kadyrov, or just "forces loyal to Kadyrov" (which is a different thing). I think a general statement such as "he has been criticised for human rights abuses", and then one or two cases as examples would be enough. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. We don't list every single case of someone expressing criticism of Bush in the Bush article either. Offliner ( talk) 05:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is a complete mess regarding NPOV. It's mostly a collection of quotes about accusations of human rights violations. For example, first we have the chapter "Militia leader", which consists 95% of quotes of human rights violations. But then we hear those accusations again in the "accusations of..." sector. Hardly anywhere is there a mention of his accomplishments, such as having brought peace and stability to Chechnya, although this is what has made a very real impact on the lives of ordinary Chechens.
"Eating ice cream and laughing with her friends at an outdoor cafe next to a brand-new fountain in one of the city's central squares, Asya Tashtamirova says venturing outside after dusk used to be mortally dangerous. Now, she says, life is better than it's ever been." [3]
As a biography, this article is a complete joke. It's just a bunch of random news items and quotes of criticism, probably inserted in order to discredit the man. Maybe I (or someone) will rewrite this thing. The main point is, that although criticism naturally has its place, it should not make up over 80% of the article like it does now. Instead of focusing on third-party opinions about him, we should focus on just neutrally describing the man's biography. Offliner ( talk) 08:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe the citation of Kadyrov belongs to this article. This is a very notable statement by him, a statement of his political attitude and will and of his personal commitment to Putin. English translation was taken from a publication by Jamestown Foundation (now deadlink, but Russian original is there). If you feel this is cited out of context, please provide appropriate context. I do not think he means at all murderers of his father (BTW - who they are?), but if you can support this by sources, please do. Biophys ( talk) 00:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
There's a whole long section in this article with such title. Yet, much information there is based on evidence provided by a single person. But there are normal civilized mechanisms to deal with such accusations, like, the court rulings. Therefore, I propose to remove accusations but the ones which were a) brought into the courts of Russia or the European Union, or b) spoken of by the major recognized world's human rights organizations. Otherwise, that section would be just a junk box for anti-Kadyrov complaints, which would not allow to distinguish between real or fake accusations. ellol ( talk) 13:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The source [7] says: In Chechnya we are observing the politicization of the Kunta Hajji current of the Qadiri order of Sufi Islam (followers of the mid-19th century preacher Kunta-Hajji Kishiev), a representative of which is Ramzan Kadyrov. There is nothing there about him being a representative of Sunni Islam. I am ignorant here, can a Sufi Muslim be a Sunny Muslim at the same time? Regarding the population of the Chechen Republic, AFAIK some versions of Sunni are tolerated while others like Wahhabi are persecuted. I think we should either provide references of Kadyrov being Sunni the same time as Sufi or drop mentioning of Sunni Islam as his religion all together. Alex Bakharev ( talk) 06:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
It is clearly stated in URL: 27 of the Article (though in Russian9 that he has seven Children. Why is that removed? It is the Official Homepage stating that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.132.170.123 ( talk) 11:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
And for the obvious reasons: it's directionless, unorganized, badly-written.
This biographical article should be actually biographical, that is about the life of Ramzan K.
Something like that:
It's not all apsects, but should give you idea.
That's instead of sections "Bill to ban energy drinks in Chechnya" (WHO CARES), and "Boston bombing suspects" (really?). -- Niemti ( talk) 11:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Btw, there's this widespread meme according to which Ramzan was a "rebel" in the 1990s. Wikipedia sez "Ramzan, from the age of 16, leading a small unit of separatist fighters in the First Chechen War". Reality: the teenage Ramzan drove a car for his dad (and Delimkhanov was a driver for Raduyev). Maybe I'll rewrite it myself, for now I'll just change it and remove some obvious trivia and just silly stuff. -- Niemti ( talk) 20:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Btw, Thomas de Waal once compared him to Uday Hussein, the psychopathic son of Saddam: [10] -- Niemti ( talk) 21:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Worry not, I know to avoid such POV like
Yes, I really feel his reaction to the Boston bombing is relevant. The bombings brought the whole issue of Chechnya to the fore on an international stage. His reaction to the incident goes to his attitudes toward terrorism which ethnic Chechen (fairly or not) have been associated with in the past (Beslan, Moscow theater) and are now being reinforced by the fact that the bombers in this internationally reported terrorist attack are Chechen. As the President of the current Chechen govt. he is a spokesman for the Chechen people (fairly or not) and his views on this subject of how and why these two "radicalized" and how - in his view - it does not represent the people of Chechnya is important.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 21:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Meanwhile in Ramzanland: [13] ("The muscle-bound leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, boasted yesterday that he had challenged a minister to a sparring session to punish him for errors, posting photographs of their punch-up on his Instagram page. Yesterday Russia’s NTV aired footage of Kadyrov in the ring with the minister, Salambek Ismailov, who appeared to pull his punches, while Kadyrov aimed blows at his face and groin. In the gym watching the sparring was Russian Minister of Labour and Social Protection Maxim Topilin, who was shown smiling broadly on television.") But no, he's not "a former rebel leader in Chechnya", but this meme has become a media "fact" (actually it's not even what Ramzan himself boasts of, instead he only says he was "with the people" in the war, actually he was with his dad). -- Niemti ( talk) 10:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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Why is this fact buried? It's his defining characteristic and the rallying cry of Chechnyian separatists. Please stop whitewashing pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.106.131 ( talk) 20:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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@ MarkBeer, Wikipediatastic, Tnapoleao, SNAAAAKE!!, Everyking, and Sourcecheck:president.gov.by/ru/news_ru/view/glava-chechenskoj-respubliki-rossijskoj-federatsii-ramzan-kadyrov-nagrazhden-ordenom-druzhby-narodov-19310/ The President of Belarus awarded the Order of Friendship of Peoples
Оn the Internet among the Russian-speaking population are mocking Kadyrov. However, most of the Russian population is afraid of Kadyrov, since he believes in his involvement in many killings on the territory of Chechnya and far beyond its borders. Also Kadyrov is often ridiculed, portraying as an illiterate person with a craving for sexual violence over animals (sheep). 31.23.88.13 ( talk) 20:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
the meetings in Moscow give the impression that Putin is afraid. (indeed there seems to be this deep dark terror, the basis of which is easy to grasp- the trauma, Kadyrov is thought to be popular because of the perception of him practicing taqiyya). 80%+ of Chechnya budget is gifted by Moscow. Yet Chechen traditions totally trump Russian law, while Kadyrov openly says kill any Russian policeman entering "his" territory, etc. Yet Putin does nothing. i.e. this is a policy of extraordinary appeasament, which to be sure, seems to have been quite successful. 84.253.217.84 ( talk) 07:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
I have started a move discussion regarding the move of the Kadyrovtsy article to the English-language equivalent of the term, Kadyrovites. If editors are interested, they may join the discussion. — AFreshStart ( talk) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Russian fascists should be removed, there are no RS stating that Kadyrov is a fascist, this is original research and POV. -- 2804:248:f6ae:e300:3d54:44d0:27cb:5661 ( talk) 23:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
"Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression."
Couldn't we change this line into some like "Kadyrov has been accused of ruling the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression."? --
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in /info/en/?search=Ramzan_Kadyrov#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine , edit to /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E7:1F04:B900:8C60:65D5:4356:BFB0 ( talk) 11:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
In the COVID-19 section, it may be worth adding that Kadyrov has been very supportive of the COVID-19 vaccination campaign and warned that the vaccine hesitant will have a harder time accessing public services:
https://www.rferl.org/a/chechnya-threatens-tough-measures-for-those-refusing-covid-19-vaccination/31338115.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.100.143.210 ( talk) 08:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
While it's true he said something on his Telegram channel, this is very far from actually doing it. Political figures often say things not true. They tell lies for many reasons. And Kadyrov has a history of lying about his desire to step down. For example to signal to Putin that he wants something or-else. It's wishful thinking to read too much into this Telegram post, at this point. -- Green C 17:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
"The Russian Federation funnels money to the Kadyrov family." I cannot find that stated in the cited reference. 14.2.202.136 ( talk) 10:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
"The family gets money through the Akhmad Kadyrov Fund, a non-transparent foundation headed by Kadyrov’s mother, Ayman." The cited reference also states that this money is provided by donations from businessmen and private citizens. The article needs to be balanced, and not read like some "60 Minutes" expose. 14.2.202.136 ( talk) 10:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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In the opening paragraph and elsewhere
following his promotion by President Putin on Wednesday 5th October. OSDefence ( talk) 15:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
In the last sentence of the subsection "Threats to citizens insulting someone's honor", Kadyrov's name is misspelled as "Kadryov". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.146.75 ( talk) 23:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think that criticism needs to be removed from the summary, but half of the summary is dedicated exclusively to criticism, not all of which is strictly unopinionated. The amount of editorializing in the article seems to have exploded since the invasion of Ukraine. The article for Mohammed Bin Salman is a good example of a summary that can emphasize criticism without clearly revealing the politics of the writer. "Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression" and the entire final paragraph of the summary ("Kadyrov has adopted a macho image...") should probably be removed. Cnkso ( talk) 06:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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Remove "He is known to have sex with goats and men." Jack8168 ( talk) 04:35, 29 June 2023 (UTC)