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Besides the sources cited, I can see a couple of more in google books but cannot access them. I do think there is just enough material to make a small article here and would like to remove the notability tag if there are no objections. Tiamut talk 14:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
There are problems. The article says "15 km NE of Tulkarm" but that is where the West Bank Zeita is. Raml Zayta according to Khalidi and Morris is north west of Tulkarm (near modern Hadera). Khalidi says Raml Zayta = Khirbat Kazaza, which is on PEF sheet 8, lower left corner (showing as a ruin). It does not appear as an occupied location in a 1939 ordnance map (you have it: Zichron Yaakov sheet), or on the big 1944 map with Dayan's signature on it. On the other hand, the West Bank Zeita is an ancient village, in both Hutteroth and SWP, but Zeita, Tulkarm says "south-east of Tulkarm" which is crazy. I'm going to summarise below. Zero talk 03:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I have just corrected some obvious mistakes in the article; take a look Huldra ( talk) ...and I agree that Zeita, Tulkarm being "south-east of Tulkarm" is crazy. I see that Ash inserted that...I´ll ask him to clean it up. - Huldra ( talk) 04:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Coords changed last set put it on the med coast in Israel. The thing with maths is that when taking the centre of gravity of a town/village maths gives an answer, I just plot the pionts and take where the intersect is. Maths then gives the centre of gravity, irrespective of what opinions are. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 09:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry confusion over Huldra saying Zeita Tulkarem on my talk page. Raml Zeita, is SE of hadera. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 09:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Was Raml Zeita populated by semi sedentary marsh Bedouin?..Somewhere I recall it being part of the Hawarith tribal area.. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 09:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
A few places like PalestineRemembered give a 1931 population of 1165. However I have the census report and 1165 is the number given for the different location Zeita. The census does not have any entry for Raml Zeita or similarly named location. Zero talk 11:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I notice a Zeita Swamp just east of Hadera, very close to the right place. [1] Zero talk 12:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I spent altogether too much time today tracking down the location of Raml Zayta. Finally I found it marked on two maps. One map is a 1943 British army map 1:50,000, which shows "Raml Zeita" as a region name without indicating any houses. (This is consistent with bedouin, but I didn't find direct reference to that.) The other is the Atlas of Palestine by Abu Sitta, which marks "Raml Zeita (Kh. Qazaza)" with a village-like dot close to the same place. Since the army map marks nothing at the place of Abu Sitta's dot, and both the army map and Abu Sitta's map claim to be based on the same 1:20,000 map, I suspect Abu Sitta's dot is artificial. Another oddity is that the location of Khirbat Qazaza (Khirbet Kezazeh) is shown by the PEF map (1870s) to be about 1km to the northwest of Abu Sitta's dot, at a place shown as a nameless hill on the army map. Here is a map showing all these locations; should it go into the article? Zero talk 14:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Incidentally, Abu Sitta and a book that I have lost just now say the land of Raml Zayta was owned by the village of Zayta, the one at Zeita, Tulkarm. Zero talk 14:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Besides the sources cited, I can see a couple of more in google books but cannot access them. I do think there is just enough material to make a small article here and would like to remove the notability tag if there are no objections. Tiamut talk 14:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
There are problems. The article says "15 km NE of Tulkarm" but that is where the West Bank Zeita is. Raml Zayta according to Khalidi and Morris is north west of Tulkarm (near modern Hadera). Khalidi says Raml Zayta = Khirbat Kazaza, which is on PEF sheet 8, lower left corner (showing as a ruin). It does not appear as an occupied location in a 1939 ordnance map (you have it: Zichron Yaakov sheet), or on the big 1944 map with Dayan's signature on it. On the other hand, the West Bank Zeita is an ancient village, in both Hutteroth and SWP, but Zeita, Tulkarm says "south-east of Tulkarm" which is crazy. I'm going to summarise below. Zero talk 03:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I have just corrected some obvious mistakes in the article; take a look Huldra ( talk) ...and I agree that Zeita, Tulkarm being "south-east of Tulkarm" is crazy. I see that Ash inserted that...I´ll ask him to clean it up. - Huldra ( talk) 04:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Coords changed last set put it on the med coast in Israel. The thing with maths is that when taking the centre of gravity of a town/village maths gives an answer, I just plot the pionts and take where the intersect is. Maths then gives the centre of gravity, irrespective of what opinions are. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 09:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry confusion over Huldra saying Zeita Tulkarem on my talk page. Raml Zeita, is SE of hadera. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 09:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Was Raml Zeita populated by semi sedentary marsh Bedouin?..Somewhere I recall it being part of the Hawarith tribal area.. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 09:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
A few places like PalestineRemembered give a 1931 population of 1165. However I have the census report and 1165 is the number given for the different location Zeita. The census does not have any entry for Raml Zeita or similarly named location. Zero talk 11:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I notice a Zeita Swamp just east of Hadera, very close to the right place. [1] Zero talk 12:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I spent altogether too much time today tracking down the location of Raml Zayta. Finally I found it marked on two maps. One map is a 1943 British army map 1:50,000, which shows "Raml Zeita" as a region name without indicating any houses. (This is consistent with bedouin, but I didn't find direct reference to that.) The other is the Atlas of Palestine by Abu Sitta, which marks "Raml Zeita (Kh. Qazaza)" with a village-like dot close to the same place. Since the army map marks nothing at the place of Abu Sitta's dot, and both the army map and Abu Sitta's map claim to be based on the same 1:20,000 map, I suspect Abu Sitta's dot is artificial. Another oddity is that the location of Khirbat Qazaza (Khirbet Kezazeh) is shown by the PEF map (1870s) to be about 1km to the northwest of Abu Sitta's dot, at a place shown as a nameless hill on the army map. Here is a map showing all these locations; should it go into the article? Zero talk 14:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Incidentally, Abu Sitta and a book that I have lost just now say the land of Raml Zayta was owned by the village of Zayta, the one at Zeita, Tulkarm. Zero talk 14:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)