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Untitled Rambo fifth film → Rambo V – Many sources are referring to the film as Rambo 5, such as here, here, here, and here. Stallone also refers to the film as Rambo 5. I haven't come across a single source that refers to the film as Untitled Rambo fifth film. In keeping up with the titles of previous films, such as Rambo: First Blood Part II and Rambo III, I suggest the article be titled as Rambo V. Armegon ( talk) 23:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page already moved by Anthony Appleyard per WP:SNOW following a request [1] at WP:RMTR. Procedural close by PC78 ( talk) 13:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Rambo V: Last Blood →
Rambo: Last Blood – This is the official title given in the teaser trailer posted by Liongate.
Yoshiman6464
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This could be the last Rambo film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:151F:861D:28B7:3E89:9F67:C6B2 ( talk) 03:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Maybe will be last... some in 2020 comes First Blood remake Still hope for Rambo VI here some news https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/sylvester-stallone-teases-the-possibility-of-the-return-of-rambo -- 2A00:4802:2800:0:0:0:0:D5B ( talk) 15:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
It's best if I bring this up before an edit war ensues. I SUPPORT having the alternative titles in the lead. It's natural, of course, that I favor my edit but I am not without reason...
Stallone is not for Story in film https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000230/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1#writer -- 2A00:4802:2800:0:0:0:0:D5B ( talk) 09:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Would it be undue to briefly add his reaction in the lede? I just think it's worth noting in proportion to the negative reviews from critics. You've gone incognito ( talk ⋅ contribs) 11:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Please add this information to the article:
CinemaBlend.com: Rambo: Last Blood Audiences Like The Movie Much More Than Critics
September 23, 2019
Rambo: Last Blood audiences like the movie much more than critics. When the reviews for the latest, and possibly last film, in Sylvester Stallone’s second-most iconic franchise started dropping, I made the perhaps obvious prediction that the audience and critical divide on the film would be stark. Well, Rambo: Last Blood hit theaters over the weekend and that prediction appears to have been correct.
Rambo: Last Blood has been fairly universally derided among professional critics and the fifth film in the Rambo franchise currently sits at an exceedingly rotten 27% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 100 critical reviews. The audience score, however, tells a very different tale. With 2,405 verified audience ratings, Rambo: Last Blood enjoys a very fresh 85%. That 58% swing indicates that the opinions of critics and audiences are extremely far apart on this film.
Due to the contentiousness and controversy that often surrounds Rotten Tomatoes audience scores, the site changed its policy to make sure that those leaving reviews have actually seen the movie and aren’t just voting based on an agenda. IMDb and Metacritic do not have the same requirements, but their metrics also indicate that audiences quite enjoyed Rambo’s latest rampage.
IMDb users have given Last Blood a 7.0 out of 10, based on 8,184 ratings. And on Metacritic, where the Metascore is 29 indicating generally unfavorable reviews, the user score is an 8.5 out of 10. People rating Last Blood on sites like these may be rating the film highly because they have a strong opinion about it and perhaps are doing so in response to the critical sentiment, but it still seems that audiences like this movie much more than critics.
That bears out with the film’s CinemaScore as well. One of the more scientific gauges of how general audiences feel about a movie, the CinemaScore for Rambo: Last Blood is a solid, although not glowing, “B.” That’s the same score received by Crawl, Stuber and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and is above films like Hustlers and Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.So why the disparity among critics and audiences? This is just conjecture, but I think it comes down to how a movie is judged, and whereas may critics may be judging Rambo: Last Blood on its merits as a film, audiences are judging whether or not it gives them what they want from a Rambo movie. Critics took issue with the gory, ultra-violence some called torture porn, but that’s exactly what audiences expected.
The critics lamented that Last Blood didn’t feel like a Rambo movie and didn’t live up to the legacy of the character established in First Blood, but the franchise hasn’t really been that in a long time. The Rambo franchise became popular more for a badass Sly Stallone killing bad guys than a character study about the effects of war.
People don’t necessarily want to think about the xenophobic implications of the film cited in the reviews, nor did they expect high art when they walked into the theater. They just wanted action. Audiences know what they signed up for with Rambo: Last Blood; people love movies about old dudes killing bad guys, and this movie delivered that. Those looking for intellectual stimulation and emotional nuance could go see Ad Astra.
So although First Blood author David Morell hated Rambo: Last Blood, he and the critics seem to be in the minority. That audience sentiment still didn’t help it conquer the box office though as Downton Abbey dominated.
You can judge for yourself because Rambo: Last Blood is now in theaters. Check out our 2019 Release Schedule to keep track of all the movies people will be arguing over in the months ahead.
Serijvip ( talk) 01:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
MOS:FILMAUDIENCE makes it clear never to use audience/user reviews or ratings since they are prone to vote stacking and demographic skew i.e. review bombing or the opposite effect. Armegon ( talk) 12:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
There are two unsubstantiated claims that I'd like to address: one is how Mexico (in its entirety) is described as 'crime infested.' I do not believe there is any evidence of this in the film. The scenes in Mexico take place in one unnamed city in the country, and while the plot does involve criminal activity by cartel members, it hardly warrants the city, much less the entire country being labeled as crime infested. Secondly, there is a claim that the film portrays Mexicans (or 'Hispanics and Latinos') as criminals. There are very few characters in this film to begin with and the only ones involved in crime are the cartel members and two characters working with the cartel. As the movie is partially set in Mexico and based on real-life criminal organizations there, I do not believe the portrayal of these characters is meant to show Mexicans in a negative light. Additionally, none of the three main Mexican characters (Carmen, Gabriela and Maria,) are criminals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.175.57.235 ( talk) 06:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@ TropicAces: Nothing was violated as far as the infobox policy was concerned. The runtimes reportedly came from the movie's theatrical versions, which vary only by its opening sequence; see the relevant section in the article. Thus we should be able to include these in the infobox (separated with the en dash, that is). As far as I know, Lionsgate has never called it "director's cut", "unrated cut" or the like, in which case it doesn't belong in the infobox. You've gone incognito ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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Although liberals think this is a racist movie towards Mexico, the fact is, it simply is not. This movie simply gives you a first hand view of the things that actually go on in this country. Liberals just like to paint sunshine and rainbows and do not want you to know how the world really is. 24.101.44.236 ( talk) 03:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Support: The determination of a film's box office success or failure is measured against how much it grossed against its expenses. This recently published article affirms that a film needs to gross double its budget to cover production budget and P&A costs. We have a source that confirms the film's P&A cost. So I see no reason why it shouldn't be included in the lead since P&A costs are taken into account with the production budget to determine a film's success/failure. Armegon ( talk) 03:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Alright, I tweaked your phrasing and added it back to the lede. TropicAces ( talk) 04:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
With this edit, Armegon ( talk · contribs) removed the entirety of the content on Rambo's homemade underground tunnels. The user's rationale was " Where's the notability here? These sources comment on the tunnels, not the film itself". Below is what was removed from the article:
Darren Mooney of The Escapist wrote, "Rambo has adopted the methodology of the Viet Cong by building elaborate tunnels under his family farm." [1] Zak Wojnar of Screen Rant stated that "Rambo's tunnels are much larger and more sanitary than those of Củ Chi, but the imagery is comparable", adding that they are "where he holds his demons, where he channels his negative energy, and where he keeps his past close, but contained." [2] As for the final act of the film, Wojnar stated that "his 'PTSD Tunnels' play a key role in his revenge", writing: "Using the same guerilla tactics that were likely used on him and his friends fifty years ago, Rambo emerges from his tunnels like a Vietnamese fighter popping out of a spider hole, shoots several targets, and then disappears underground before they even know what hit them." [2]
— Rambo: Last Blood (revision of 19:52, 30 June 2020 UTC)
References
I think this content should be included in the article. Perhaps it can be trimmed down, though. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film, "Individual critics can also be referenced to detail various aspects of the film." As mentioned earlier in the article, David Morrell, who created the Rambo character, said: "It assumes the audience is familiar with Rambo's background, whereas anyone under 40 will wonder what on Earth is going on with those tunnels." Rambo's tunnels were analyzed in detail, especially in Zak Wojnar's Screen Rant article titled "Wait, Why Did Rambo Build The Tunnels In Last Blood?". Thus, I think it is one of the notable, important aspects of the film and should be included in the article. 153.174.64.84 ( talk) 08:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
The statement that "The international version, titled Rambo: Last Blood Extended Cut, was released on Prime Video in May 2020" is inaccurate. I'd like to see clarification that the international version was not released worldwide on Prime Video. Users of Prime Video outside the US could rent or buy the movie thinking they are getting the extended cut but they will not. Amazon.co.uk (UK) lists two versions (basically the same cut at different resolutions) whereas Amazon.com (US) lists the additional version titled "Rambo: Last Blood (Extended Cut)".
My edit clarifying this were undone citing WP:OR but this is not a fact that is going to have sources in the form of news articles or official announcements. There are many articles talking about the extended cut but they are all from US based publications and it's understandable that they don't check all countries that Prime Video is available in. The lack of such sources is not reason for the page to contain inaccurate and misleading information.
Tomihawk ( talk) 15:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
What about the plot scenes from the extended cut version of it, including the extended beginning scene? BattleshipMan ( talk) 23:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
May we discuss the relevance for the below as well as a possible separate section? The discussion of the cartels and their effect on real people, in my opinion is neither racist nor something to be relegated to simple accusations. this is facile. and the portrayals were accurate. enough with TRUTH being equated to RACIST. it's ridiculous at this point. please see below- Rambo: Last Blood was theatrically released on September 20, 2019, to negative reviews, with criticisms aimed at the script, graphic violence, and accusations of racist and xenophobic attitudes toward Mexico, though Stallone received some praise for his return in the lead role. The film grossed $91.5 million worldwide against a production budget of $50 million and print and advertisement costs of $30 million. 67.250.47.100 ( talk) 19:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: uncontroversial move. czar 14:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
![]() | It was proposed in this section that
Rambo: Last Blood be
renamed and moved to
Rambo V.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links:
current log •
target log |
Untitled Rambo fifth film → Rambo V – Many sources are referring to the film as Rambo 5, such as here, here, here, and here. Stallone also refers to the film as Rambo 5. I haven't come across a single source that refers to the film as Untitled Rambo fifth film. In keeping up with the titles of previous films, such as Rambo: First Blood Part II and Rambo III, I suggest the article be titled as Rambo V. Armegon ( talk) 23:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page already moved by Anthony Appleyard per WP:SNOW following a request [1] at WP:RMTR. Procedural close by PC78 ( talk) 13:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Rambo V: Last Blood →
Rambo: Last Blood – This is the official title given in the teaser trailer posted by Liongate.
Yoshiman6464
♫🥚
15:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
This could be the last Rambo film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:151F:861D:28B7:3E89:9F67:C6B2 ( talk) 03:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Maybe will be last... some in 2020 comes First Blood remake Still hope for Rambo VI here some news https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/sylvester-stallone-teases-the-possibility-of-the-return-of-rambo -- 2A00:4802:2800:0:0:0:0:D5B ( talk) 15:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
It's best if I bring this up before an edit war ensues. I SUPPORT having the alternative titles in the lead. It's natural, of course, that I favor my edit but I am not without reason...
Stallone is not for Story in film https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000230/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1#writer -- 2A00:4802:2800:0:0:0:0:D5B ( talk) 09:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Would it be undue to briefly add his reaction in the lede? I just think it's worth noting in proportion to the negative reviews from critics. You've gone incognito ( talk ⋅ contribs) 11:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Please add this information to the article:
CinemaBlend.com: Rambo: Last Blood Audiences Like The Movie Much More Than Critics
September 23, 2019
Rambo: Last Blood audiences like the movie much more than critics. When the reviews for the latest, and possibly last film, in Sylvester Stallone’s second-most iconic franchise started dropping, I made the perhaps obvious prediction that the audience and critical divide on the film would be stark. Well, Rambo: Last Blood hit theaters over the weekend and that prediction appears to have been correct.
Rambo: Last Blood has been fairly universally derided among professional critics and the fifth film in the Rambo franchise currently sits at an exceedingly rotten 27% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 100 critical reviews. The audience score, however, tells a very different tale. With 2,405 verified audience ratings, Rambo: Last Blood enjoys a very fresh 85%. That 58% swing indicates that the opinions of critics and audiences are extremely far apart on this film.
Due to the contentiousness and controversy that often surrounds Rotten Tomatoes audience scores, the site changed its policy to make sure that those leaving reviews have actually seen the movie and aren’t just voting based on an agenda. IMDb and Metacritic do not have the same requirements, but their metrics also indicate that audiences quite enjoyed Rambo’s latest rampage.
IMDb users have given Last Blood a 7.0 out of 10, based on 8,184 ratings. And on Metacritic, where the Metascore is 29 indicating generally unfavorable reviews, the user score is an 8.5 out of 10. People rating Last Blood on sites like these may be rating the film highly because they have a strong opinion about it and perhaps are doing so in response to the critical sentiment, but it still seems that audiences like this movie much more than critics.
That bears out with the film’s CinemaScore as well. One of the more scientific gauges of how general audiences feel about a movie, the CinemaScore for Rambo: Last Blood is a solid, although not glowing, “B.” That’s the same score received by Crawl, Stuber and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and is above films like Hustlers and Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.So why the disparity among critics and audiences? This is just conjecture, but I think it comes down to how a movie is judged, and whereas may critics may be judging Rambo: Last Blood on its merits as a film, audiences are judging whether or not it gives them what they want from a Rambo movie. Critics took issue with the gory, ultra-violence some called torture porn, but that’s exactly what audiences expected.
The critics lamented that Last Blood didn’t feel like a Rambo movie and didn’t live up to the legacy of the character established in First Blood, but the franchise hasn’t really been that in a long time. The Rambo franchise became popular more for a badass Sly Stallone killing bad guys than a character study about the effects of war.
People don’t necessarily want to think about the xenophobic implications of the film cited in the reviews, nor did they expect high art when they walked into the theater. They just wanted action. Audiences know what they signed up for with Rambo: Last Blood; people love movies about old dudes killing bad guys, and this movie delivered that. Those looking for intellectual stimulation and emotional nuance could go see Ad Astra.
So although First Blood author David Morell hated Rambo: Last Blood, he and the critics seem to be in the minority. That audience sentiment still didn’t help it conquer the box office though as Downton Abbey dominated.
You can judge for yourself because Rambo: Last Blood is now in theaters. Check out our 2019 Release Schedule to keep track of all the movies people will be arguing over in the months ahead.
Serijvip ( talk) 01:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
MOS:FILMAUDIENCE makes it clear never to use audience/user reviews or ratings since they are prone to vote stacking and demographic skew i.e. review bombing or the opposite effect. Armegon ( talk) 12:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
There are two unsubstantiated claims that I'd like to address: one is how Mexico (in its entirety) is described as 'crime infested.' I do not believe there is any evidence of this in the film. The scenes in Mexico take place in one unnamed city in the country, and while the plot does involve criminal activity by cartel members, it hardly warrants the city, much less the entire country being labeled as crime infested. Secondly, there is a claim that the film portrays Mexicans (or 'Hispanics and Latinos') as criminals. There are very few characters in this film to begin with and the only ones involved in crime are the cartel members and two characters working with the cartel. As the movie is partially set in Mexico and based on real-life criminal organizations there, I do not believe the portrayal of these characters is meant to show Mexicans in a negative light. Additionally, none of the three main Mexican characters (Carmen, Gabriela and Maria,) are criminals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.175.57.235 ( talk) 06:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@ TropicAces: Nothing was violated as far as the infobox policy was concerned. The runtimes reportedly came from the movie's theatrical versions, which vary only by its opening sequence; see the relevant section in the article. Thus we should be able to include these in the infobox (separated with the en dash, that is). As far as I know, Lionsgate has never called it "director's cut", "unrated cut" or the like, in which case it doesn't belong in the infobox. You've gone incognito ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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Although liberals think this is a racist movie towards Mexico, the fact is, it simply is not. This movie simply gives you a first hand view of the things that actually go on in this country. Liberals just like to paint sunshine and rainbows and do not want you to know how the world really is. 24.101.44.236 ( talk) 03:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Support: The determination of a film's box office success or failure is measured against how much it grossed against its expenses. This recently published article affirms that a film needs to gross double its budget to cover production budget and P&A costs. We have a source that confirms the film's P&A cost. So I see no reason why it shouldn't be included in the lead since P&A costs are taken into account with the production budget to determine a film's success/failure. Armegon ( talk) 03:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Alright, I tweaked your phrasing and added it back to the lede. TropicAces ( talk) 04:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
With this edit, Armegon ( talk · contribs) removed the entirety of the content on Rambo's homemade underground tunnels. The user's rationale was " Where's the notability here? These sources comment on the tunnels, not the film itself". Below is what was removed from the article:
Darren Mooney of The Escapist wrote, "Rambo has adopted the methodology of the Viet Cong by building elaborate tunnels under his family farm." [1] Zak Wojnar of Screen Rant stated that "Rambo's tunnels are much larger and more sanitary than those of Củ Chi, but the imagery is comparable", adding that they are "where he holds his demons, where he channels his negative energy, and where he keeps his past close, but contained." [2] As for the final act of the film, Wojnar stated that "his 'PTSD Tunnels' play a key role in his revenge", writing: "Using the same guerilla tactics that were likely used on him and his friends fifty years ago, Rambo emerges from his tunnels like a Vietnamese fighter popping out of a spider hole, shoots several targets, and then disappears underground before they even know what hit them." [2]
— Rambo: Last Blood (revision of 19:52, 30 June 2020 UTC)
References
I think this content should be included in the article. Perhaps it can be trimmed down, though. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film, "Individual critics can also be referenced to detail various aspects of the film." As mentioned earlier in the article, David Morrell, who created the Rambo character, said: "It assumes the audience is familiar with Rambo's background, whereas anyone under 40 will wonder what on Earth is going on with those tunnels." Rambo's tunnels were analyzed in detail, especially in Zak Wojnar's Screen Rant article titled "Wait, Why Did Rambo Build The Tunnels In Last Blood?". Thus, I think it is one of the notable, important aspects of the film and should be included in the article. 153.174.64.84 ( talk) 08:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
The statement that "The international version, titled Rambo: Last Blood Extended Cut, was released on Prime Video in May 2020" is inaccurate. I'd like to see clarification that the international version was not released worldwide on Prime Video. Users of Prime Video outside the US could rent or buy the movie thinking they are getting the extended cut but they will not. Amazon.co.uk (UK) lists two versions (basically the same cut at different resolutions) whereas Amazon.com (US) lists the additional version titled "Rambo: Last Blood (Extended Cut)".
My edit clarifying this were undone citing WP:OR but this is not a fact that is going to have sources in the form of news articles or official announcements. There are many articles talking about the extended cut but they are all from US based publications and it's understandable that they don't check all countries that Prime Video is available in. The lack of such sources is not reason for the page to contain inaccurate and misleading information.
Tomihawk ( talk) 15:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
What about the plot scenes from the extended cut version of it, including the extended beginning scene? BattleshipMan ( talk) 23:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
May we discuss the relevance for the below as well as a possible separate section? The discussion of the cartels and their effect on real people, in my opinion is neither racist nor something to be relegated to simple accusations. this is facile. and the portrayals were accurate. enough with TRUTH being equated to RACIST. it's ridiculous at this point. please see below- Rambo: Last Blood was theatrically released on September 20, 2019, to negative reviews, with criticisms aimed at the script, graphic violence, and accusations of racist and xenophobic attitudes toward Mexico, though Stallone received some praise for his return in the lead role. The film grossed $91.5 million worldwide against a production budget of $50 million and print and advertisement costs of $30 million. 67.250.47.100 ( talk) 19:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)