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I think the diesel speed record is held by a russian train, which did 264km/h. 195.70.32.136 18:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You have omitted certain lines in the TGV section of the last table Booksworm 15:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC) 15:17, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
This section seems very incomplete (e.g. TGV 270 km/h 1981, other Japanese ones) and the from/to seems pretty irrelevant to the top speed... Is this section worth having? Willkm 13:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the entry for the Shanghai Maglev recently added to the Average Speed table, since the average speed is lower than for previous/existing services. I have left the entry in the Top Speed table, but I don't really think it should be listed alongside conventional steel wheel-on-rail trains. DAJF 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking at the Scheduled Trains/Top speed table just now and am a little confused...Are we listing trains in order of their highest average speed, or their highest maximum speed? If the latter applies, then I would suggest that the Shanghai Transrapid be moved to the end (Top?) of the list as not even the TGV can beat 430Km/h! :-)
As the Shanghai Transrapid normally covers the 30Km journey in about eight minutes, that would make the average speed about 62.5Km/h I think. (Although I'm not sure how to apply S=D/T when comparing metric distances with non-metric time! :-)
I've edited the list to sort entries by maximum speed as that makes more sense, considering that we do not have a complete list of average speeds. As a final thought though: Can a Maglev really be considered a "railed" vehicle? :-)
Hyperspeed 12th May 2006CR at 03:15 GMT
I would say yes: it requires a track to run, and that seems to be the definition of "railed" we are using here, given the rocket sled entries. -- 67.188.22.107 01:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
On Novara-Milan (Italy) TAV (High speed trains) Lines, new speed guinness: 350,8 km/h by an ETR 500 while testing new high speed lines. Date: 5 october 2005
Please put facts and not US nationalist propaganda on this page the Empire State Express No. 999 Official record was 132 kmh (82mph) All claims of higher speeds can be put down to US nationalist propaganda and are not given any credibility outside the USA. Oxyman 01:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia a resource for education and carrying FACTS or a tool for American propaganda? I have edited out reticules claims by Americans in the Land speed record for railed vehicles and Empire State Express only to have arrogant Americans delete them and accuse me of pov can we have a neutral observer look at these sections Oxyman 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Why am I acused of insults when I am stating facts the oficial record for No999 Empire state express was 82 mph not 100mph where is the citation for that?
I have to agree with Oxyman that unofficial means that it can't be trusted unless you can find some more information about the unofficial clockings which would indicate that there is a good reason to believe that they were real. The sources I have seen linked have given no information about who made the claims about clocking it at 112 mph. "But unofficial timers claimed to have clocked it at 112 miles-an-hour" is a vey weak statement about the reliability of those claims. Jeltz talk 11:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I would personally write it as something like this:
131 (81.8) | Empire State Express No. 999 | Steam | United States | May 10 1893 | Unofficial clockings claims 112 mph (179 km/h) which would make it the first wheeled vehicle to exceed 100 mph. [3] |
Jeltz talk 11:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I use copy and paste if that is the most appropriate way of posting information, Is that OK? Please realize that you are arrogant and stop putting thinly veiled insults everywhere, at least I am open about my insults. "No. 999 entered service in May of 1893, making the trip from Syracuse, New York to the Chicago World's Fair. The Express was recorded traveling at 121.5 mph (195.5 km/h) during an exhibition run between Batavia and Buffalo on May 10, making No. 999 the fastest-moving manmade invention of its time and the first object on wheels to exceed 100 mph (161 km/h)".where in this statement is it mentioned and visible to the casual observer that this is an unoficial claim? Oxyman 19:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This statement"E6s #7002 was clocked at Crestline, Ohio at 127.1 mph (204.55 km/h) in 1905. However PRR Steam Locomotives did not carry speedometers at that time, time was calculated by measuring time between mile markers, so this is not recognized as a speed record." lacks crucial caveats to the casual reader this may appear to be credible information rather than claims, at the least there should be a citation. Oxyman 22:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
160 (100) | LNER Class A3 4472 Flying Scotsman | Steam | United Kingdom | 1934 |
In 1934, Flying Scotsman achieved the first authenticated 100mph (160 kmph) by a steam locomotive. [4] |
In the past I have been accused of being anti American and even appearing to be a raving communist for wishing that Wikipedia displays credible information so I thought it wise to post this comment Oxyman
I have updated the introduction. It would be helpful if one of the regulars on this article would check the information and update the rest of the text. -- Rollo 10:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The JetTrain article claims the speed record for a gas turbine locomotive for itself. Can anyone find a reference or a date? Potatoswatter 09:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The page currently lists progressive speed records by technology. Is there any merit in other tables for the absolute speed record by country? Possibly as a new article. Dbromage 02:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete a speed record of the Sinkansen which I wrote to less than .
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.190.235.224 ( talk) 14:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
However, even other railroads are not written to update order of speed. It is an encyclopedia and should mention it precisely. 2007 210.174.18.244 09:55, 8 May (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.174.18.244 ( talk) 09:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.190.235.224 ( talk) 16:39, 18 April 2007(UTC)
I have made a request for semi-protection of this article to prevent the continued reversions by non-registered users. This is the first time I have done this, but hopefully I have followed the correct procedures. (See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection) DAJF 13:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have made another request for semi-protection following three more reversions by non-registered users in the last week. (See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection) Dbromage 07:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I darkened some rows in the diesel and steam records to show claimed speeds which if verified would be progressive records. Where authenticated records are accompanied by higher claimed speeds, e.g. Great Britain and Empire State Express, these are not darkened. Dbromage 04:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I read ( [5]) in Spain there are scheduled train with a 360 km/h top speed. If confirmed this should be added as a new record. Can anyone confirm? -- Armando82 10:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
329 is only achieved in first days of running, It's over-speed running, and the train arrives ahead of schedule. It's not the common "scheduled" running. discuss here if you have opinions. Python eggs ( talk) 02:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Official record of conventional trains need AT LEAST 3 CARS : that's why the 1955's and TGV records are 3 cars trains. Then, the Siemens Eurosprinter record, with only one car, can not be an offical record. -- FlyAkwa ( talk) 00:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I think the French set a record with a special trainset on the Paris-Marseille line some time between 1955 and 1965. If I recall correctly, a speed of nearly 300 km/hr was achieved. This was a significant event and demonstrated the possibility of true high-speed rail. I don't have sources but do recall reading a detailed account of the event. 69.142.188.7 ( talk) 02:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC) J.H. Crawford
Perhaps you are thinking of the two records listed under 'Electric Locomotives'? Benthatsme ( talk) 18:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
This page consistently describes the TGV as an EMU, but this contradicts the definition given on the electric multiple unit page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanf ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
For consistency in the article, I've just calculated the metric speeds given under the Rocket Sled section in imperial equivalents using Google Calculator, and added them to the table along with some minor formatting changes. Some quite relaxing speeds being hit in there, it would seem! :-)
On a slightly off-topic note: If anyone hears about any forthcoming rocket sled tests, could they please drop a note on my talk page? Having always found the 550mph cruising speed of a Jumbo Jet to be far too slow for my liking, I'd love to have the chance to give one of those things a try! >:-)
+++ DieselDragon +++ Talk, Contribs - 27 October 2010 CE = 10:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
This section is badly named, not just because it should be "specially built" rather than "special built", but mainly because half of the trains in it were obviously not specially built for test, i.e. are in fact modified or unmodified commercial trains (and unmodified commercial is currently supposed to be the preceding section...) The current categorisation is just wrong. Essentially I think sections 2 and 3 need to be merged and the average speed table moved into its own section. Thoughts anyone? Mu2 01:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
This page is become a real mess. There is lot of data without sourcing. It's now a page for propaganda and claims from manufacturers.
As said by Mu2, the distinction between "Unmodified commercial trains in test run" and "Special built trains for test only" is false, absurd, and only there to publish China propaganda.
If we must split into different category, why not 3 category :
The records will be more confused...
I think we must
Do you agree ?
-- FlyAkwa ( talk) 15:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
As previously notified, the "Speed record for railed vehicles" was a real mess.
Then I created a completely new version of the page, based upon the previous version, but in a more clean, simple, and smart presentation.
Because of a massive and crude propaganda from one country, lot of nonsense categories were present or added, like "Average speed, from station to station" and "Average speed, between terminating stations", "Top speed, first attained", "Unmodified commercial trains in test run", "Average speed, over long distance", "Special built trains for test only", etc, to push claimed or virtual records.
Then, a certain number of table have been deleted, because not relevant.
"Top speed, first attained" was only there to push the "350 km/h Chinese first attained". This category has never been considered in any land speed record list. And the list is unfinished, as all speeds could also be reported : first 320 km/h...first 280 km/h, first 270 km/h...first 20 km/h, first 10 km/h, etc.
"Unmodified commercial trains in test run" and "Special built trains for test only" was also there to push Chinese claimed records. These category where not relevant, as lot of trains in both table were "unmodified trains", "lightly tuned trains", "heavily tuned trains", "prototype" or "unknown status".
"Relative passing speed between two trains" is no more relevant, because it lacks references, and report only Japanese tests. Moreover, the only not Japanese data, about TGV, was false : TGV travels at 320 km/h, then relative speeds between trains is every days at least 640 km/h (and not 482.6 km/h).
At least, "Average speed, between terminating stations" is, one more time, a Chinese attempt to put their claimed records, and this category is one more time not relevant. Else, we could create "Average speed between terminating station and first station", "Average speed between first station and second station", etc.
As the page is about World Speed Record, it's more relevant to have in first section the "Absolute World Speed Record", and the "Averages Speed Record" at the end.
Lot of tables have been grouped for "conventional wheeled", in a large, sortable, table. It's easier to compare different speeds by date, by power supply, etc.
The columns "Arrangement" and "Power Supply" have been added. New colours are used.
-- FlyAkwa ( talk) 22:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to FlyAkwa for bringing order and sense to the lists in this article. One question, though... what does "World fastest commercial relations" mean? Should it be "operations"? It is not entirely clear to me. -- DAJF ( talk) 00:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Why the section "Conventional wheeled" has two subsections? and Why don't we name it "Conventional trains"? Yakamoz51 ( talk) 08:38, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
How can it be in the list as the official record holder for steam and not be ratified? Is the system used on this page somehow better than official records? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.146.91 ( talk) 22:40, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Mallard was unmodified, but recently overhauled. The centre big end melted, A4s were prone to that. The driver, Duddington was chosen as he was good at judging just how far he could push the locomotive. Skinner doc ( talk) 21:46, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi all,
I have concerns about the readability of the huge tables. Who chose the categories and the columns and the colours and the bolding and the icons? The first pair of problems we could address is that (a) some pieces of information are repeated, and (b) the screen gets crowded, making the table unreadable. Since the first column of most of the tables - "R (Record)" - duplicates what is already said inline, it's probably best to remove this - which in turn will allow more space for the other columns. Any comments?
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On the whole this looks good, but it could still be improved I think. Note that I've only skimread the above discussion and I'm not already familiar with the article, so I'm seeing it as a reader would see it. My thoughts, in no particular order are below:
Sorry this is a very long list, but we might as well take the opportunity to get it right. Thryduulf ( talk) 19:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
UAC TurboTrain used mechanical transmission to drive the wheels, so it should be in the Fuel-mechanic section. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvarjas ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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Transport vehicles without contact with the ground (Aerotrain, Transrapid, Maglev, etc) are not recognized by the UIC, and are related to airplanes and other aerial vehicles.
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Why is is the chinese record not in the first table? http://english.sina.com/china/p/2010/1203/350743.html -- JKBDre ( talk) 12:10, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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The point-to-point average speed table is a mess in my opinion. Why does it have it own section? Why do the "currently active" lines have an "date to" year? Where is the Chinese transrapid line? Why are some train services, instead of rolling stock, listed under "Train"? What city is "Lorraine TGV"? I'll try to fix some of the issues I mentioned so I'd like to know if anyone has any suggestions. Dlesos ( talk) 20:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
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I think the diesel speed record is held by a russian train, which did 264km/h. 195.70.32.136 18:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You have omitted certain lines in the TGV section of the last table Booksworm 15:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC) 15:17, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
This section seems very incomplete (e.g. TGV 270 km/h 1981, other Japanese ones) and the from/to seems pretty irrelevant to the top speed... Is this section worth having? Willkm 13:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the entry for the Shanghai Maglev recently added to the Average Speed table, since the average speed is lower than for previous/existing services. I have left the entry in the Top Speed table, but I don't really think it should be listed alongside conventional steel wheel-on-rail trains. DAJF 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking at the Scheduled Trains/Top speed table just now and am a little confused...Are we listing trains in order of their highest average speed, or their highest maximum speed? If the latter applies, then I would suggest that the Shanghai Transrapid be moved to the end (Top?) of the list as not even the TGV can beat 430Km/h! :-)
As the Shanghai Transrapid normally covers the 30Km journey in about eight minutes, that would make the average speed about 62.5Km/h I think. (Although I'm not sure how to apply S=D/T when comparing metric distances with non-metric time! :-)
I've edited the list to sort entries by maximum speed as that makes more sense, considering that we do not have a complete list of average speeds. As a final thought though: Can a Maglev really be considered a "railed" vehicle? :-)
Hyperspeed 12th May 2006CR at 03:15 GMT
I would say yes: it requires a track to run, and that seems to be the definition of "railed" we are using here, given the rocket sled entries. -- 67.188.22.107 01:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
On Novara-Milan (Italy) TAV (High speed trains) Lines, new speed guinness: 350,8 km/h by an ETR 500 while testing new high speed lines. Date: 5 october 2005
Please put facts and not US nationalist propaganda on this page the Empire State Express No. 999 Official record was 132 kmh (82mph) All claims of higher speeds can be put down to US nationalist propaganda and are not given any credibility outside the USA. Oxyman 01:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia a resource for education and carrying FACTS or a tool for American propaganda? I have edited out reticules claims by Americans in the Land speed record for railed vehicles and Empire State Express only to have arrogant Americans delete them and accuse me of pov can we have a neutral observer look at these sections Oxyman 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Why am I acused of insults when I am stating facts the oficial record for No999 Empire state express was 82 mph not 100mph where is the citation for that?
I have to agree with Oxyman that unofficial means that it can't be trusted unless you can find some more information about the unofficial clockings which would indicate that there is a good reason to believe that they were real. The sources I have seen linked have given no information about who made the claims about clocking it at 112 mph. "But unofficial timers claimed to have clocked it at 112 miles-an-hour" is a vey weak statement about the reliability of those claims. Jeltz talk 11:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I would personally write it as something like this:
131 (81.8) | Empire State Express No. 999 | Steam | United States | May 10 1893 | Unofficial clockings claims 112 mph (179 km/h) which would make it the first wheeled vehicle to exceed 100 mph. [3] |
Jeltz talk 11:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I use copy and paste if that is the most appropriate way of posting information, Is that OK? Please realize that you are arrogant and stop putting thinly veiled insults everywhere, at least I am open about my insults. "No. 999 entered service in May of 1893, making the trip from Syracuse, New York to the Chicago World's Fair. The Express was recorded traveling at 121.5 mph (195.5 km/h) during an exhibition run between Batavia and Buffalo on May 10, making No. 999 the fastest-moving manmade invention of its time and the first object on wheels to exceed 100 mph (161 km/h)".where in this statement is it mentioned and visible to the casual observer that this is an unoficial claim? Oxyman 19:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This statement"E6s #7002 was clocked at Crestline, Ohio at 127.1 mph (204.55 km/h) in 1905. However PRR Steam Locomotives did not carry speedometers at that time, time was calculated by measuring time between mile markers, so this is not recognized as a speed record." lacks crucial caveats to the casual reader this may appear to be credible information rather than claims, at the least there should be a citation. Oxyman 22:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
160 (100) | LNER Class A3 4472 Flying Scotsman | Steam | United Kingdom | 1934 |
In 1934, Flying Scotsman achieved the first authenticated 100mph (160 kmph) by a steam locomotive. [4] |
In the past I have been accused of being anti American and even appearing to be a raving communist for wishing that Wikipedia displays credible information so I thought it wise to post this comment Oxyman
I have updated the introduction. It would be helpful if one of the regulars on this article would check the information and update the rest of the text. -- Rollo 10:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The JetTrain article claims the speed record for a gas turbine locomotive for itself. Can anyone find a reference or a date? Potatoswatter 09:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The page currently lists progressive speed records by technology. Is there any merit in other tables for the absolute speed record by country? Possibly as a new article. Dbromage 02:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete a speed record of the Sinkansen which I wrote to less than .
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.190.235.224 ( talk) 14:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
However, even other railroads are not written to update order of speed. It is an encyclopedia and should mention it precisely. 2007 210.174.18.244 09:55, 8 May (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.174.18.244 ( talk) 09:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.190.235.224 ( talk) 16:39, 18 April 2007(UTC)
I have made a request for semi-protection of this article to prevent the continued reversions by non-registered users. This is the first time I have done this, but hopefully I have followed the correct procedures. (See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection) DAJF 13:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have made another request for semi-protection following three more reversions by non-registered users in the last week. (See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection) Dbromage 07:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I darkened some rows in the diesel and steam records to show claimed speeds which if verified would be progressive records. Where authenticated records are accompanied by higher claimed speeds, e.g. Great Britain and Empire State Express, these are not darkened. Dbromage 04:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I read ( [5]) in Spain there are scheduled train with a 360 km/h top speed. If confirmed this should be added as a new record. Can anyone confirm? -- Armando82 10:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
329 is only achieved in first days of running, It's over-speed running, and the train arrives ahead of schedule. It's not the common "scheduled" running. discuss here if you have opinions. Python eggs ( talk) 02:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Official record of conventional trains need AT LEAST 3 CARS : that's why the 1955's and TGV records are 3 cars trains. Then, the Siemens Eurosprinter record, with only one car, can not be an offical record. -- FlyAkwa ( talk) 00:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I think the French set a record with a special trainset on the Paris-Marseille line some time between 1955 and 1965. If I recall correctly, a speed of nearly 300 km/hr was achieved. This was a significant event and demonstrated the possibility of true high-speed rail. I don't have sources but do recall reading a detailed account of the event. 69.142.188.7 ( talk) 02:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC) J.H. Crawford
Perhaps you are thinking of the two records listed under 'Electric Locomotives'? Benthatsme ( talk) 18:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
This page consistently describes the TGV as an EMU, but this contradicts the definition given on the electric multiple unit page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanf ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
For consistency in the article, I've just calculated the metric speeds given under the Rocket Sled section in imperial equivalents using Google Calculator, and added them to the table along with some minor formatting changes. Some quite relaxing speeds being hit in there, it would seem! :-)
On a slightly off-topic note: If anyone hears about any forthcoming rocket sled tests, could they please drop a note on my talk page? Having always found the 550mph cruising speed of a Jumbo Jet to be far too slow for my liking, I'd love to have the chance to give one of those things a try! >:-)
+++ DieselDragon +++ Talk, Contribs - 27 October 2010 CE = 10:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
This section is badly named, not just because it should be "specially built" rather than "special built", but mainly because half of the trains in it were obviously not specially built for test, i.e. are in fact modified or unmodified commercial trains (and unmodified commercial is currently supposed to be the preceding section...) The current categorisation is just wrong. Essentially I think sections 2 and 3 need to be merged and the average speed table moved into its own section. Thoughts anyone? Mu2 01:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
This page is become a real mess. There is lot of data without sourcing. It's now a page for propaganda and claims from manufacturers.
As said by Mu2, the distinction between "Unmodified commercial trains in test run" and "Special built trains for test only" is false, absurd, and only there to publish China propaganda.
If we must split into different category, why not 3 category :
The records will be more confused...
I think we must
Do you agree ?
-- FlyAkwa ( talk) 15:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
As previously notified, the "Speed record for railed vehicles" was a real mess.
Then I created a completely new version of the page, based upon the previous version, but in a more clean, simple, and smart presentation.
Because of a massive and crude propaganda from one country, lot of nonsense categories were present or added, like "Average speed, from station to station" and "Average speed, between terminating stations", "Top speed, first attained", "Unmodified commercial trains in test run", "Average speed, over long distance", "Special built trains for test only", etc, to push claimed or virtual records.
Then, a certain number of table have been deleted, because not relevant.
"Top speed, first attained" was only there to push the "350 km/h Chinese first attained". This category has never been considered in any land speed record list. And the list is unfinished, as all speeds could also be reported : first 320 km/h...first 280 km/h, first 270 km/h...first 20 km/h, first 10 km/h, etc.
"Unmodified commercial trains in test run" and "Special built trains for test only" was also there to push Chinese claimed records. These category where not relevant, as lot of trains in both table were "unmodified trains", "lightly tuned trains", "heavily tuned trains", "prototype" or "unknown status".
"Relative passing speed between two trains" is no more relevant, because it lacks references, and report only Japanese tests. Moreover, the only not Japanese data, about TGV, was false : TGV travels at 320 km/h, then relative speeds between trains is every days at least 640 km/h (and not 482.6 km/h).
At least, "Average speed, between terminating stations" is, one more time, a Chinese attempt to put their claimed records, and this category is one more time not relevant. Else, we could create "Average speed between terminating station and first station", "Average speed between first station and second station", etc.
As the page is about World Speed Record, it's more relevant to have in first section the "Absolute World Speed Record", and the "Averages Speed Record" at the end.
Lot of tables have been grouped for "conventional wheeled", in a large, sortable, table. It's easier to compare different speeds by date, by power supply, etc.
The columns "Arrangement" and "Power Supply" have been added. New colours are used.
-- FlyAkwa ( talk) 22:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to FlyAkwa for bringing order and sense to the lists in this article. One question, though... what does "World fastest commercial relations" mean? Should it be "operations"? It is not entirely clear to me. -- DAJF ( talk) 00:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Why the section "Conventional wheeled" has two subsections? and Why don't we name it "Conventional trains"? Yakamoz51 ( talk) 08:38, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
How can it be in the list as the official record holder for steam and not be ratified? Is the system used on this page somehow better than official records? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.146.91 ( talk) 22:40, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Mallard was unmodified, but recently overhauled. The centre big end melted, A4s were prone to that. The driver, Duddington was chosen as he was good at judging just how far he could push the locomotive. Skinner doc ( talk) 21:46, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi all,
I have concerns about the readability of the huge tables. Who chose the categories and the columns and the colours and the bolding and the icons? The first pair of problems we could address is that (a) some pieces of information are repeated, and (b) the screen gets crowded, making the table unreadable. Since the first column of most of the tables - "R (Record)" - duplicates what is already said inline, it's probably best to remove this - which in turn will allow more space for the other columns. Any comments?
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On the whole this looks good, but it could still be improved I think. Note that I've only skimread the above discussion and I'm not already familiar with the article, so I'm seeing it as a reader would see it. My thoughts, in no particular order are below:
Sorry this is a very long list, but we might as well take the opportunity to get it right. Thryduulf ( talk) 19:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
UAC TurboTrain used mechanical transmission to drive the wheels, so it should be in the Fuel-mechanic section. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvarjas ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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Wiki definition of rail is "The rail profile is the cross sectional shape of a railway rail,[1] perpendicular to the length of the rail.". Wiki definition of rail transportation is "Rail transport is a means of conveyance of passengers and goods, by way of wheeled vehicles running on rails.".
Rail doesn't means guided system.
Transport vehicles without contact with the ground (Aerotrain, Transrapid, Maglev, etc) are not recognized by the UIC, and are related to airplanes and other aerial vehicles.
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Why is is the chinese record not in the first table? http://english.sina.com/china/p/2010/1203/350743.html -- JKBDre ( talk) 12:10, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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The point-to-point average speed table is a mess in my opinion. Why does it have it own section? Why do the "currently active" lines have an "date to" year? Where is the Chinese transrapid line? Why are some train services, instead of rolling stock, listed under "Train"? What city is "Lorraine TGV"? I'll try to fix some of the issues I mentioned so I'd like to know if anyone has any suggestions. Dlesos ( talk) 20:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)