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The section about the Warrnambool line probably needs some mention of its closure by Kennett and subsequent reopening by West Coast Rail. Rebecca 08:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I am currently splitting out the mind numbing 'this branch from def to abc opened in xyz and closed in plf' bits (eg old version) into the relevant lines articles , and am writing a better 'overall' view of rail history like what I did to the Railways in Melbourne page. Feel free to jump in and I will add my bits to yours. ;-) Wongm ( talk) 10:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't ATC stand for Automatic Train Control? Automatic and Track Control doesn't make much sense, perhaps Automatic Track Control.-- Grahame ( talk) 09:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Another thing: "On 1 October 2003, V/Line reverted to government ownership with the collapse of National Express,[44] and M>Train was sold to Connex after the withdrawal of its parent company; and the Freight Victoria business and rural track lease was purchased by Pacific National."—did all of these things happen on 1 October 2003 or only the first?-- Grahame ( talk) 10:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Commodities: the table should make clear that is based on tonnes consigned, not tonne-km or value, if this is the case. (I remember being told once, 15 or 20 years ago when working for a federal transport department, that V/Line had no scales and relied on customers to tell them the weight of their consignments) The first column of the table adds to less than the second, and it would be interesting to know what accounts for the decline in non-grain movements. One thing is livestock, but I don't think it ever moved in significant quantities.
This section might mention that distances to port are short and competition with road transport is intense, so that there are no particularly profitable movements of agricultural commodities, even wheat from the northwest (but only if it could be sourced, which might not be possible).-- Grahame ( talk) 11:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
New Deal: Was this term used by the Govt of the day; if so it should say so. "The 1980s saw corporatisation of the Victorian Railways carried out, with the railway commissioners replaced by VicRail and later government authorities."—I thought VicRail was just a brand name and the commissioners continued. As stated in Companies, corporatisation occured in 1983, when the State Transport Authority and the Metropolitan Transit Authority were established.-- Grahame ( talk) 12:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Railway preservation sections needs some referencing.-- Grahame ( talk) 13:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I think we need to work out naming and article conventions for railway lines. For example, for what was once known as the Serviceton line to the SA border now appears in a number of articles:
I need to dig up some older Victorian Railways documents to show how they named the lines. I think the grades and curves diagram might do for now - 1980s era: http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&article=grades-curves
For reference V/Line currently names the track infrastructure as such: Dynon to Ararat - (From http://www.vline.com.au/rna/rna/information_pack.html)
Maybe redirect all the current V/Line service names to the List of regional railway stations in Victoria page, then create new articles on the lines themselves. These articles will cover history, description of the route, towns on the way, traffics carried, and links to the V/Line services that operate on them.
Any other ideas on how to unscramble this egg? Wongm ( talk) 01:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The Shepparton railway line, Victoria page has been moved to Tocumwal railway line by WikiSandbox1 without any discussion or reason given for such a move. -- 121.200.0.46 ( talk) 06:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Do tiny freight stations deserve their own articles? Boort station doesn't exist of anything bar the remain of a platform. My preference is that these tiny stations just get redirected to the towns themselves - in the case of New South Wales and Western Australia even active passenger stations get this treatment. I just don't see the point of a stub about a town saying where it is in Victoria, and a second stub about the railway station of that town saying what line it is on.
Any thoughts? Wongm ( talk) 10:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Lets face it mate there have never been consistencies between the states in real life when it comes to railways - dont expect them in wiki life - probably better to just get on with it - we could all spend our lives on talk pages - the ideas are one thing the article work is another - :) Satu Suro 06:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry few visit these parts - either australian noticeboard or australian places project talk page - nothing less Satu Suro 10:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
My opinion is that all railway stations are notable. Since notability does not expire, this extends to former stations as well. What is my justification for "all railway stations are notable"? It is the presence of such stations in paper encyclopedias, and it is impossible to have a more stringent inclusion criteria than that. OK, I'm in the wrong country here, but small stations like Hallingskeid and Haugastøl have entries describing them as railway stations in paper encyclopedias. They are served by a couple of trains each day in each direction, have few passengers, and are not particularly outstanding. Yet encyclopedias with limited space have considered them "encyclopedic". Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I copied Dan027's ideas to this page, and have linked to some online reliable sources at the new page Talk:Rail transport in Victoria/Station resources. Any more suggested resources and inclusions for a station article can be mentioned there. Wongm ( talk) 02:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
At present any line or station not served by V/Line or Connex falls into the 'closed station / line' categories , along with the green-brown infoboxes and navboxes. We need a 4th category for 'open for freight only' stations and lines, and the closed and removed lines (and closed stations on open lines) stay in the existing green-brown 'closed station / line' class. Any ideas for the category name? And colour - grey for the infoboxes? Wongm ( talk) 02:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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Do you know or find anything about the Britannia Creek tramway? -- NearEMPTiness ( talk) 11:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I think this article might benefit from a slight restructure, particularly for the 'operations' and 'by line' sections. It may make more sense to have a 'passenger services' section with a history of the operators, the overview of the lines and a clearer link to the VLine page. Then maybe a 'freight operations' section or something similar? Would love to hear others thoughts. Gracchus250 ( talk) 04:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on some proposals potentially affecting articles related to this subject area »» here. Cheers, SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 00:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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There are numerous sentences and paragraphs without citations. Steelkamp ( talk) 13:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
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The section about the Warrnambool line probably needs some mention of its closure by Kennett and subsequent reopening by West Coast Rail. Rebecca 08:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I am currently splitting out the mind numbing 'this branch from def to abc opened in xyz and closed in plf' bits (eg old version) into the relevant lines articles , and am writing a better 'overall' view of rail history like what I did to the Railways in Melbourne page. Feel free to jump in and I will add my bits to yours. ;-) Wongm ( talk) 10:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't ATC stand for Automatic Train Control? Automatic and Track Control doesn't make much sense, perhaps Automatic Track Control.-- Grahame ( talk) 09:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Another thing: "On 1 October 2003, V/Line reverted to government ownership with the collapse of National Express,[44] and M>Train was sold to Connex after the withdrawal of its parent company; and the Freight Victoria business and rural track lease was purchased by Pacific National."—did all of these things happen on 1 October 2003 or only the first?-- Grahame ( talk) 10:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Commodities: the table should make clear that is based on tonnes consigned, not tonne-km or value, if this is the case. (I remember being told once, 15 or 20 years ago when working for a federal transport department, that V/Line had no scales and relied on customers to tell them the weight of their consignments) The first column of the table adds to less than the second, and it would be interesting to know what accounts for the decline in non-grain movements. One thing is livestock, but I don't think it ever moved in significant quantities.
This section might mention that distances to port are short and competition with road transport is intense, so that there are no particularly profitable movements of agricultural commodities, even wheat from the northwest (but only if it could be sourced, which might not be possible).-- Grahame ( talk) 11:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
New Deal: Was this term used by the Govt of the day; if so it should say so. "The 1980s saw corporatisation of the Victorian Railways carried out, with the railway commissioners replaced by VicRail and later government authorities."—I thought VicRail was just a brand name and the commissioners continued. As stated in Companies, corporatisation occured in 1983, when the State Transport Authority and the Metropolitan Transit Authority were established.-- Grahame ( talk) 12:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Railway preservation sections needs some referencing.-- Grahame ( talk) 13:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I think we need to work out naming and article conventions for railway lines. For example, for what was once known as the Serviceton line to the SA border now appears in a number of articles:
I need to dig up some older Victorian Railways documents to show how they named the lines. I think the grades and curves diagram might do for now - 1980s era: http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&article=grades-curves
For reference V/Line currently names the track infrastructure as such: Dynon to Ararat - (From http://www.vline.com.au/rna/rna/information_pack.html)
Maybe redirect all the current V/Line service names to the List of regional railway stations in Victoria page, then create new articles on the lines themselves. These articles will cover history, description of the route, towns on the way, traffics carried, and links to the V/Line services that operate on them.
Any other ideas on how to unscramble this egg? Wongm ( talk) 01:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The Shepparton railway line, Victoria page has been moved to Tocumwal railway line by WikiSandbox1 without any discussion or reason given for such a move. -- 121.200.0.46 ( talk) 06:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Do tiny freight stations deserve their own articles? Boort station doesn't exist of anything bar the remain of a platform. My preference is that these tiny stations just get redirected to the towns themselves - in the case of New South Wales and Western Australia even active passenger stations get this treatment. I just don't see the point of a stub about a town saying where it is in Victoria, and a second stub about the railway station of that town saying what line it is on.
Any thoughts? Wongm ( talk) 10:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Lets face it mate there have never been consistencies between the states in real life when it comes to railways - dont expect them in wiki life - probably better to just get on with it - we could all spend our lives on talk pages - the ideas are one thing the article work is another - :) Satu Suro 06:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry few visit these parts - either australian noticeboard or australian places project talk page - nothing less Satu Suro 10:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
My opinion is that all railway stations are notable. Since notability does not expire, this extends to former stations as well. What is my justification for "all railway stations are notable"? It is the presence of such stations in paper encyclopedias, and it is impossible to have a more stringent inclusion criteria than that. OK, I'm in the wrong country here, but small stations like Hallingskeid and Haugastøl have entries describing them as railway stations in paper encyclopedias. They are served by a couple of trains each day in each direction, have few passengers, and are not particularly outstanding. Yet encyclopedias with limited space have considered them "encyclopedic". Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I copied Dan027's ideas to this page, and have linked to some online reliable sources at the new page Talk:Rail transport in Victoria/Station resources. Any more suggested resources and inclusions for a station article can be mentioned there. Wongm ( talk) 02:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
At present any line or station not served by V/Line or Connex falls into the 'closed station / line' categories , along with the green-brown infoboxes and navboxes. We need a 4th category for 'open for freight only' stations and lines, and the closed and removed lines (and closed stations on open lines) stay in the existing green-brown 'closed station / line' class. Any ideas for the category name? And colour - grey for the infoboxes? Wongm ( talk) 02:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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Do you know or find anything about the Britannia Creek tramway? -- NearEMPTiness ( talk) 11:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I think this article might benefit from a slight restructure, particularly for the 'operations' and 'by line' sections. It may make more sense to have a 'passenger services' section with a history of the operators, the overview of the lines and a clearer link to the VLine page. Then maybe a 'freight operations' section or something similar? Would love to hear others thoughts. Gracchus250 ( talk) 04:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on some proposals potentially affecting articles related to this subject area »» here. Cheers, SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 00:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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There are numerous sentences and paragraphs without citations. Steelkamp ( talk) 13:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)