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Nowhere in the sources attached is the claim made that the 45 reported dead (23 women, children and elderly e.i. 22 adult men) were all civilians, yet the article reads: "The attack killed at least 45 civilians and drew international criticism" -- 192.114.91.243 ( talk) 09:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Article covers the same topic as this article, although in different detail. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 01:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium ( talk) 23:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Rafah offensive → Proposed Rafah offensive – The offensive on Rafah has not occurred yet- the article title speaks as if it has. Alternatively could be Planned Rafah offensive, idk, but I think Proposed works for now. - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 19:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
What's with this long timeline for an offensive that hasn't taken place? Some of the subsections are just one sentence long. They should be merged into a more cohesive prose, removing unnecessary or repeated details. Super Ψ Dro 11:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Israel has conducted operations in Rafah for over a month now, why is this not marked as an ongoing event? Bill3602 ( talk) 19:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Under February 19, it says:
Israel sets a deadline for the offensive, saying it will begin if the hostages aren't freed by Ramadan.
However, the actual date of the offensive is not pegged to the beginning of Ramadan; it merely says an invasion will take place at some point if their demands are not met by Ramadan. 675930s ( talk) 11:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Would it be relevant to put Israeli announcements of evacuation plans on the timeline? I've two sources right now: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/israel-prepares-rafah-evacuation-after-netanyahu-approves-plan https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/13/israels-war-on-gaza-live-netanyahu-vows-to-finish-the-job-in-rafah 675930s ( talk) 08:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
The statement "Netanyahu stated [...] "Whoever tells us not to operate in Rafah, is telling us to lose the war" is repeated both in 17 and 18 February. 31.221.171.151 ( talk) 16:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Exposing N12: step by step - this is what the Israeli plan for the Rafah operation looks like — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC0:B6D:E300:B873:AFBF:5311:4BA4 ( talk) 07:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
The child that was saved from its mother's womb has died.
21 April "One woman who died in the strike was pregnant, but doctors were able to save the baby through C-section"
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68903591 Patrikooke ( talk) 08:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Could we get a source regarding this that isn't derived from a news source that has bias? Both of the references for this particular incident are from far-left sources or news media sources based in Arab countries. Saegenschnitter ( talk) 06:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@ Galamore: The last two edits you made are in violation of 1RR [1], waiting for your self-revert. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Please change the status and the article as a whole Koploboblo ( talk) 20:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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change title to Israeli invasion of Rafah 98.110.81.233 ( talk) 22:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
it puts civilian casualties on Hamas’ side, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to put civilian casualties in the box under both side’s military casualties? 142.197.246.54 ( talk) 00:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
What's the purpose of including such a detailed timeline of so many actions in Rafah? It should only include the causes of the offensive, and actions that made major headlines for a while. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 08:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The israeli 401st brigade entered the rafah crossing according to Al Jazeera
therefeore we should add it to the Units Salafips1 ( talk) 12:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be 2024 Israeli attack on Rafah or something like that? Selfstudier ( talk) 15:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
We have here an article with an unqualified section titled "offensive". Yet reliable sources don't agree that there is an offensive. In fact The New York Times categorically stated 10 hours prior to the time I'm writing this that there is not what most readers might imagine when reading the Wikipedia article: a major ground offensive It did not appear to be the long-promised full ground invasion of Rafah, which Israel's allies have been working to avert...
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Bri (
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I would sign on for the title 2024 Israeli (or IDF) operations in Rafah, and would not object to replacing "operation/s" with "incursion". Invasion I think is a bridge too far for a technical reason: according to the UN, Israel already occupies Gaza, so either invading is redundant, or we need to have another discussion about what occupation entails, and I don't think that would be fruitful. New title would come with a corresponding change in nomenclature in the article section header(s) of course. ☆ Bri ( talk) 20:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The White House has confirmed that Israel told it that it's a limited operation [3]. So we should use the word operation, not offensive. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 05:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
No soldiers have been wounded in the operation so far.Which is consistent with an unopposed operation, not an "offensive" if that term is to mean anything. I don't think we even are seeing a battle, referring to Military operation to find an example of the scale of things that are included in "operation". (Reuters says there may be some action near "the airport" which must be this ruin which is amid farmland outside the area of settlement.) ☆ Bri ( talk) 17:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Seriously guys, @ Iskandar323:, @ Wafflefrites:, can we please avoid arguing over what Israel is doing wrong or right. That isn't related to the topic we have at hand - whether this should be called an operation or offensive. Please focus on the topic and whether the scale of the Rafah attack qualifies it is an operation or offensive, do not argue about who's right or wrong here please. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 07:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The infobox wrongly suggests that "5 other brigades" are participating and the total strength of the IDF invading force is 3,000-5,000.
The source used (Al Jazeera) [9] says that IDF is "redeploying a force of about six brigades (3,000-5,000 soldiers) to a base near Rafah."
The article clearly says these are brigades deployed to a IDF base near Rafah (likely a border base). This doesn't mean they're participating in the assault, but defending Israeli border. And it doesn't include the 401st Brigade, nor it is mentioned as one of them.
Since the language is a bit clear, users seems to have also misunderstood this as implying a total strength of 3,000-5,000. However 3,000-5,000 is the strength of each brigade deployed to the IDF base near Rafah. Another article by Al Jazeera [10] clearly says so. And if you look at the typical IDF brigade size, it is between 3,000-7,000 soldiers [11].
Clearly users have misunderstood what Al Jazeera is saying. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 08:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Not sure why the article is filled with quotes and news snippets instead of a coherent overarching narrative. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi, please, the first source of Argentina has a bad translation of the word "aberrante — abhorrent" 190.246.97.81 ( talk) 10:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Please edit the casualties Koploboblo ( talk) 13:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
Here is a very informative page with continuous updates, which may be useful for your work here.
https://reliefweb.int/updates?view=reports&advanced-search=%28PC180%29
David A ( talk) 05:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a map of the offensive in the lede? I thought that was standard practice for ongoing battles/conflicts, especially if a map is available. Zinderboff( talk) 23:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-21/us-encouraged-by-israeli-changes-to-plans-for-rafah-operation?srnd=homepage-middle-east 2.55.20.41 ( talk) 05:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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add Hezbollah to Belligerents 98.110.81.233 ( talk) 02:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Jamedeus (
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The vast majority of reliable sources say the court ordered Israel to stop the offensive. The ruling itself says Israel has to halt the offensive. But with six judges, Israel, and some sources saying it only orders it to prevent genocide, we have to consider what we say. Personisinsterest ( talk) 13:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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add Israel moving in to central Gaza to status [1] [2] [3] 98.110.81.233 ( talk) 20:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Per israel the two hamas members killed on may 26 were the commanders of hamas in the west bank, why are they listed as the commanders of hamas in rafah? Nowhere in the sources does it mention anything like that. Koploboblo ( talk) 11:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
The Israeli government's spokesman for foreign media, David Manser, told Reuters that approximately 300 terrorists have been eliminated since the start of the IDF's ground operation in the Rafah area. Also, in the meantime, the IDF said that the fatal explosion in which three soldiers in the Nahal Brigade were killed on Tuesday occurred as a result of the explosion of a trapped tunnel shaft that was in a civilian clinic in Rafah.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hy2mvx8na 2.55.3.37 ( talk) 15:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Nowhere in the sources attached is the claim made that the 45 reported dead (23 women, children and elderly e.i. 22 adult men) were all civilians, yet the article reads: "The attack killed at least 45 civilians and drew international criticism" -- 192.114.91.243 ( talk) 09:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Article covers the same topic as this article, although in different detail. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 01:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium ( talk) 23:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Rafah offensive → Proposed Rafah offensive – The offensive on Rafah has not occurred yet- the article title speaks as if it has. Alternatively could be Planned Rafah offensive, idk, but I think Proposed works for now. - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 19:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
What's with this long timeline for an offensive that hasn't taken place? Some of the subsections are just one sentence long. They should be merged into a more cohesive prose, removing unnecessary or repeated details. Super Ψ Dro 11:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Israel has conducted operations in Rafah for over a month now, why is this not marked as an ongoing event? Bill3602 ( talk) 19:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Under February 19, it says:
Israel sets a deadline for the offensive, saying it will begin if the hostages aren't freed by Ramadan.
However, the actual date of the offensive is not pegged to the beginning of Ramadan; it merely says an invasion will take place at some point if their demands are not met by Ramadan. 675930s ( talk) 11:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Would it be relevant to put Israeli announcements of evacuation plans on the timeline? I've two sources right now: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/israel-prepares-rafah-evacuation-after-netanyahu-approves-plan https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/13/israels-war-on-gaza-live-netanyahu-vows-to-finish-the-job-in-rafah 675930s ( talk) 08:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
The statement "Netanyahu stated [...] "Whoever tells us not to operate in Rafah, is telling us to lose the war" is repeated both in 17 and 18 February. 31.221.171.151 ( talk) 16:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Exposing N12: step by step - this is what the Israeli plan for the Rafah operation looks like — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC0:B6D:E300:B873:AFBF:5311:4BA4 ( talk) 07:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
The child that was saved from its mother's womb has died.
21 April "One woman who died in the strike was pregnant, but doctors were able to save the baby through C-section"
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68903591 Patrikooke ( talk) 08:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Could we get a source regarding this that isn't derived from a news source that has bias? Both of the references for this particular incident are from far-left sources or news media sources based in Arab countries. Saegenschnitter ( talk) 06:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@ Galamore: The last two edits you made are in violation of 1RR [1], waiting for your self-revert. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Please change the status and the article as a whole Koploboblo ( talk) 20:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
change title to Israeli invasion of Rafah 98.110.81.233 ( talk) 22:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
it puts civilian casualties on Hamas’ side, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to put civilian casualties in the box under both side’s military casualties? 142.197.246.54 ( talk) 00:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
What's the purpose of including such a detailed timeline of so many actions in Rafah? It should only include the causes of the offensive, and actions that made major headlines for a while. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 08:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The israeli 401st brigade entered the rafah crossing according to Al Jazeera
therefeore we should add it to the Units Salafips1 ( talk) 12:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be 2024 Israeli attack on Rafah or something like that? Selfstudier ( talk) 15:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
We have here an article with an unqualified section titled "offensive". Yet reliable sources don't agree that there is an offensive. In fact The New York Times categorically stated 10 hours prior to the time I'm writing this that there is not what most readers might imagine when reading the Wikipedia article: a major ground offensive It did not appear to be the long-promised full ground invasion of Rafah, which Israel's allies have been working to avert...
[2]. ☆
Bri (
talk) 16:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
I would sign on for the title 2024 Israeli (or IDF) operations in Rafah, and would not object to replacing "operation/s" with "incursion". Invasion I think is a bridge too far for a technical reason: according to the UN, Israel already occupies Gaza, so either invading is redundant, or we need to have another discussion about what occupation entails, and I don't think that would be fruitful. New title would come with a corresponding change in nomenclature in the article section header(s) of course. ☆ Bri ( talk) 20:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The White House has confirmed that Israel told it that it's a limited operation [3]. So we should use the word operation, not offensive. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 05:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
No soldiers have been wounded in the operation so far.Which is consistent with an unopposed operation, not an "offensive" if that term is to mean anything. I don't think we even are seeing a battle, referring to Military operation to find an example of the scale of things that are included in "operation". (Reuters says there may be some action near "the airport" which must be this ruin which is amid farmland outside the area of settlement.) ☆ Bri ( talk) 17:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Seriously guys, @ Iskandar323:, @ Wafflefrites:, can we please avoid arguing over what Israel is doing wrong or right. That isn't related to the topic we have at hand - whether this should be called an operation or offensive. Please focus on the topic and whether the scale of the Rafah attack qualifies it is an operation or offensive, do not argue about who's right or wrong here please. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 07:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The infobox wrongly suggests that "5 other brigades" are participating and the total strength of the IDF invading force is 3,000-5,000.
The source used (Al Jazeera) [9] says that IDF is "redeploying a force of about six brigades (3,000-5,000 soldiers) to a base near Rafah."
The article clearly says these are brigades deployed to a IDF base near Rafah (likely a border base). This doesn't mean they're participating in the assault, but defending Israeli border. And it doesn't include the 401st Brigade, nor it is mentioned as one of them.
Since the language is a bit clear, users seems to have also misunderstood this as implying a total strength of 3,000-5,000. However 3,000-5,000 is the strength of each brigade deployed to the IDF base near Rafah. Another article by Al Jazeera [10] clearly says so. And if you look at the typical IDF brigade size, it is between 3,000-7,000 soldiers [11].
Clearly users have misunderstood what Al Jazeera is saying. Linkin Prankster ( talk) 08:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Not sure why the article is filled with quotes and news snippets instead of a coherent overarching narrative. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi, please, the first source of Argentina has a bad translation of the word "aberrante — abhorrent" 190.246.97.81 ( talk) 10:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Please edit the casualties Koploboblo ( talk) 13:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
Here is a very informative page with continuous updates, which may be useful for your work here.
https://reliefweb.int/updates?view=reports&advanced-search=%28PC180%29
David A ( talk) 05:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a map of the offensive in the lede? I thought that was standard practice for ongoing battles/conflicts, especially if a map is available. Zinderboff( talk) 23:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-21/us-encouraged-by-israeli-changes-to-plans-for-rafah-operation?srnd=homepage-middle-east 2.55.20.41 ( talk) 05:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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add Hezbollah to Belligerents 98.110.81.233 ( talk) 02:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Jamedeus (
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The vast majority of reliable sources say the court ordered Israel to stop the offensive. The ruling itself says Israel has to halt the offensive. But with six judges, Israel, and some sources saying it only orders it to prevent genocide, we have to consider what we say. Personisinsterest ( talk) 13:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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add Israel moving in to central Gaza to status [1] [2] [3] 98.110.81.233 ( talk) 20:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Per israel the two hamas members killed on may 26 were the commanders of hamas in the west bank, why are they listed as the commanders of hamas in rafah? Nowhere in the sources does it mention anything like that. Koploboblo ( talk) 11:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
The Israeli government's spokesman for foreign media, David Manser, told Reuters that approximately 300 terrorists have been eliminated since the start of the IDF's ground operation in the Rafah area. Also, in the meantime, the IDF said that the fatal explosion in which three soldiers in the Nahal Brigade were killed on Tuesday occurred as a result of the explosion of a trapped tunnel shaft that was in a civilian clinic in Rafah.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hy2mvx8na 2.55.3.37 ( talk) 15:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)