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Reviewer: JN 466 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
The long wait is over ... from a first glance, the article looks very good. If I have any comments, I'll be listing them below. -- JN 466 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
There seems to have been some minor edit-warring around inclusion of the alternate cover, and whether Blackout should be listed as a second album in the "from the album" line. Could you just summarise the underlying issue for me? -- JN 466 20:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe this link is inappropriate, as it invites the reader to download software "including 5 free songs". The publisher is clearly reputable, though, and it may be okay to cite the sheet music published by them, without a link. However, what evidence do we have that the beats per minute given in their sheet music correspond precisely to the tempo the song was recorded at? -- JN 466 21:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The sentence ""Break the Ice" was released instead and "Radar" was chosen as the fourth single." is not backed up by the source that follows: [1] -- JN 466 23:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Discogs.com is not a reliable source: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_48#Discogs. Could you find alternative sourcing? -- JN 466 13:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
We are describing the song as both "uptempo" and "with a moderate [...] beat". It can only be one or the other; if it is 130 bpm, it is up-tempo, not moderate tempo (which I think would be less than 120 bpm). Both "uptempo" and "moderate synthpop beat" are sourced to the sheet music, which seems odd (?). -- JN 466 13:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
The outcome of the RSN thread was that the sheet music is not a reliable source for musical details of the song as recorded. Also see this edit: [3]. Absent a source I am inclined to think this content, as well as other content sourced to the sheet music, should go. -- JN 466 22:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
You say, "The song features four instruments: bass guitar, drums, electric guitar and synthesizer. "Radar" opens with the synthesizer repeated four times and all four instruments are featured in the chorus".
Hey. As the article has been at GAN for over three months, could the reviewing and revising be sped up a bit? It's one of the oldest GANs left in the backlog currently. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
We say, "A promotional CD single was sent off for international airplay and "Radar" was then included in playlists for Australian, New Zealand, European and American radio stations." This is cited to [4]. I may be too daft to make sense of the source page here; could you help me out? -- JN 466 21:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
That phrase is not in either cited source. If a writer made this comparison in reference to the synthesizer figure at the beginning of the song, they would probably have been thinking of a submarine's sonar pings, not a siren. -- JN 466 17:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Do we have a better source for the assertion that her vocals on this song are autotuned? I'd be surprised if they weren't, but the only mention of autotuning in the source is, "Here, her voice sounds naked and thin (which it is), and it's jarring after being lubed up with so much Autotune pitch corrector on earlier tracks like "Piece of Me."" -- JN 466 18:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
We say, "Cameron Adams of the Herald Sun also compared the song to the style of Rihanna, especially to her single “SOS” (2006)." I am not comfortable with this; the source says, "Radar is workmanlike R&B that's like " on Rihanna's SOS." In our article it sounds like unqualified praise; the source, while generally positive about the album, is a little more reticent. Can we fix this somehow? -- JN 466 23:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
We haven't got a source for Meyers having worked with Spears on Outrageous (the cited article doesn't mention that particular song). It's true and easy enough to verify, but you might want to add a source for it (I won't insist). -- JN 466 02:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The cites for the video description don't back up the detailed content we have (e.g. her wearing a vest etc.). You don't actually need cites for the synopsis of the video; it's generally accepted that synopses can be taken from the primary source itself. Suggest you cite only the sentences that are actually taken from the source. -- JN 466 02:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The sentence Nadia Mendoza of The Sun said, "forget PVC catsuits and teeny weeny air hostess outfits. Britney Spears has gone all sophisticated on us" and positively commented on the fashion, saying "Britney dons a hat more suited to Ascot than a music video".[9] seems to be sourced to the wrong Sun article (the one by Poppy Cossins). Could you locate the right article and replace the cite? -- JN 466 02:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: JN 466 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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The long wait is over ... from a first glance, the article looks very good. If I have any comments, I'll be listing them below. -- JN 466 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
There seems to have been some minor edit-warring around inclusion of the alternate cover, and whether Blackout should be listed as a second album in the "from the album" line. Could you just summarise the underlying issue for me? -- JN 466 20:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe this link is inappropriate, as it invites the reader to download software "including 5 free songs". The publisher is clearly reputable, though, and it may be okay to cite the sheet music published by them, without a link. However, what evidence do we have that the beats per minute given in their sheet music correspond precisely to the tempo the song was recorded at? -- JN 466 21:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The sentence ""Break the Ice" was released instead and "Radar" was chosen as the fourth single." is not backed up by the source that follows: [1] -- JN 466 23:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Discogs.com is not a reliable source: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_48#Discogs. Could you find alternative sourcing? -- JN 466 13:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
We are describing the song as both "uptempo" and "with a moderate [...] beat". It can only be one or the other; if it is 130 bpm, it is up-tempo, not moderate tempo (which I think would be less than 120 bpm). Both "uptempo" and "moderate synthpop beat" are sourced to the sheet music, which seems odd (?). -- JN 466 13:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
The outcome of the RSN thread was that the sheet music is not a reliable source for musical details of the song as recorded. Also see this edit: [3]. Absent a source I am inclined to think this content, as well as other content sourced to the sheet music, should go. -- JN 466 22:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
You say, "The song features four instruments: bass guitar, drums, electric guitar and synthesizer. "Radar" opens with the synthesizer repeated four times and all four instruments are featured in the chorus".
Hey. As the article has been at GAN for over three months, could the reviewing and revising be sped up a bit? It's one of the oldest GANs left in the backlog currently. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
We say, "A promotional CD single was sent off for international airplay and "Radar" was then included in playlists for Australian, New Zealand, European and American radio stations." This is cited to [4]. I may be too daft to make sense of the source page here; could you help me out? -- JN 466 21:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
That phrase is not in either cited source. If a writer made this comparison in reference to the synthesizer figure at the beginning of the song, they would probably have been thinking of a submarine's sonar pings, not a siren. -- JN 466 17:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Do we have a better source for the assertion that her vocals on this song are autotuned? I'd be surprised if they weren't, but the only mention of autotuning in the source is, "Here, her voice sounds naked and thin (which it is), and it's jarring after being lubed up with so much Autotune pitch corrector on earlier tracks like "Piece of Me."" -- JN 466 18:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
We say, "Cameron Adams of the Herald Sun also compared the song to the style of Rihanna, especially to her single “SOS” (2006)." I am not comfortable with this; the source says, "Radar is workmanlike R&B that's like " on Rihanna's SOS." In our article it sounds like unqualified praise; the source, while generally positive about the album, is a little more reticent. Can we fix this somehow? -- JN 466 23:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
We haven't got a source for Meyers having worked with Spears on Outrageous (the cited article doesn't mention that particular song). It's true and easy enough to verify, but you might want to add a source for it (I won't insist). -- JN 466 02:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The cites for the video description don't back up the detailed content we have (e.g. her wearing a vest etc.). You don't actually need cites for the synopsis of the video; it's generally accepted that synopses can be taken from the primary source itself. Suggest you cite only the sentences that are actually taken from the source. -- JN 466 02:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The sentence Nadia Mendoza of The Sun said, "forget PVC catsuits and teeny weeny air hostess outfits. Britney Spears has gone all sophisticated on us" and positively commented on the fashion, saying "Britney dons a hat more suited to Ascot than a music video".[9] seems to be sourced to the wrong Sun article (the one by Poppy Cossins). Could you locate the right article and replace the cite? -- JN 466 02:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)