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It looks like until January 2007, RBC was a redirect to Royal Bank of Canada, (which is, by far, the most common use of the term) and I can't find any discussion as to why the redirect was abandoned on any of the related talk pages. I'm restoring the redirect, the disambiguation, and adding a redirect dabhat to the financial institution's article. user:j (aka justen) 23:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
RBC redirect
The following was copied from User talk:Temporaluser.
Hi, Temporaluser. While "RBC" can refer to "red blood cell," "Royal Bank of Canada" is the vastly more common usage. (For example, I don't see a single instance of "red blood cell" in the top fifty search results on Google for the initialism.) The reason we have the {{other}} dabhat is specifically for instances like this. See, for example, NBC, which has dozens of other users, some quite common. Please reconsider your reverting to the dab. user:j (aka justen) 23:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't redir to red blood cell but to the disambiguation page exactly for the reason that it could refer to many things. I fail to see why Royal Bank of Canada is the more common usage (except for Canadians or businesspeople). In fact, red blood cell was indeed on the first 10 results.
Temporal User (
Talk)
00:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Google results can vary, but you're saying it had one result in the top ten, undoubtedly amongst nine other hits for the Royal Bank of Canada. I work in healthcare, and lived nowhere near an RBC branch for the first two decades of my life, and still think of RBC as a bank. Further, RBC the bank is not limited to Canada or business: it has a significant presence across a large portion of the United States. Neither here nor there, though. RBC much more frequently refers to the bank than to the blood cells. Do you disagree with that? We have redirect, dabhat, and Subject (disambiguation) for a reason.
user:j
(aka justen)
00:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comparing traffic statistics to each page, [1] red blood cell visits are in the thousands for Jan '09, while bank visits for the same month are in the hundreds. This indicates that more users are looking for info on the cells, not the bank. Secondly, using the "What links here tool", red blood cell actually has more links than the bank. Finally, in response to your Google argument, although the bank is indeed the 1st result, the rest of the results (10/page) do not pertain to the bank. Google results don't actually vary that much, not in one hour anyways (I assume you've googled "rbc" after I replied). Your user page indicates you're interested in business. Perhaps, you're getting personalized results because your searches might be business-related. I made sure not to use personalized results when I searched for "rbc" and got results that were not all about the bank.
- In short, I disagree that RBC refers to the bank, not the cells.
- Even if red blood cells is not the primary page, the bank is not as well. Just a reminder, I didn't redir the primary page to red blood cells, but to a neutral disambiguation page. Temporal User ( Talk) 01:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Google results can vary, but you're saying it had one result in the top ten, undoubtedly amongst nine other hits for the Royal Bank of Canada. I work in healthcare, and lived nowhere near an RBC branch for the first two decades of my life, and still think of RBC as a bank. Further, RBC the bank is not limited to Canada or business: it has a significant presence across a large portion of the United States. Neither here nor there, though. RBC much more frequently refers to the bank than to the blood cells. Do you disagree with that? We have redirect, dabhat, and Subject (disambiguation) for a reason.
user:j
(aka justen)
00:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
(←) I think you missed my point. Red blood cell may be vastly more popular an article, but that doesn't mean it is the more common usage of the initialism RBC in every day use. I'd be happy to take a look at a screenshot of your results, however mine are depersonalized, and seven of the top ten results are for the Royal Bank of Canada (the others being for the missionary organization at number five, and an industrial business and a consulting firm as the bottom two). Google does recommend "red blood cell" as a potential search term below the results, as number seven out of eight other potential terms (all the rest referring to the bank or various of its entities).
Lastly, you mention the term "neutral." Neutrality isn't an issue when it comes to disambiguation pages. There remains a dabhat at Royal Bank of Canada and a complete disambiguation page (the plurality of which are bank-related entities). I haven't seemed to be able to persuade you with the fact that, even on your search results, I am sure the bank-related usage makes up the majority of "RBC" hits. The preferred solution on Wikipedia when one usage is more common than another is a redirect, combined with a dabhat and a dab page. That's what was set up, and I'm going to go ahead and restore the redirect. user:j (aka justen) 06:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The preceding was copied from User talk:Temporaluser.
- Just my opinion here, there are far too many possibilities for "RBC" and I don't see there is any strong evidence of a primary topic. Of the top ten Google hits for "RBC" at present [2], only three are pertain to the Canadian bank. older ≠ wiser 13:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
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It looks like until January 2007, RBC was a redirect to Royal Bank of Canada, (which is, by far, the most common use of the term) and I can't find any discussion as to why the redirect was abandoned on any of the related talk pages. I'm restoring the redirect, the disambiguation, and adding a redirect dabhat to the financial institution's article. user:j (aka justen) 23:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
RBC redirect
The following was copied from User talk:Temporaluser.
Hi, Temporaluser. While "RBC" can refer to "red blood cell," "Royal Bank of Canada" is the vastly more common usage. (For example, I don't see a single instance of "red blood cell" in the top fifty search results on Google for the initialism.) The reason we have the {{other}} dabhat is specifically for instances like this. See, for example, NBC, which has dozens of other users, some quite common. Please reconsider your reverting to the dab. user:j (aka justen) 23:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't redir to red blood cell but to the disambiguation page exactly for the reason that it could refer to many things. I fail to see why Royal Bank of Canada is the more common usage (except for Canadians or businesspeople). In fact, red blood cell was indeed on the first 10 results.
Temporal User (
Talk)
00:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Google results can vary, but you're saying it had one result in the top ten, undoubtedly amongst nine other hits for the Royal Bank of Canada. I work in healthcare, and lived nowhere near an RBC branch for the first two decades of my life, and still think of RBC as a bank. Further, RBC the bank is not limited to Canada or business: it has a significant presence across a large portion of the United States. Neither here nor there, though. RBC much more frequently refers to the bank than to the blood cells. Do you disagree with that? We have redirect, dabhat, and Subject (disambiguation) for a reason.
user:j
(aka justen)
00:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comparing traffic statistics to each page, [1] red blood cell visits are in the thousands for Jan '09, while bank visits for the same month are in the hundreds. This indicates that more users are looking for info on the cells, not the bank. Secondly, using the "What links here tool", red blood cell actually has more links than the bank. Finally, in response to your Google argument, although the bank is indeed the 1st result, the rest of the results (10/page) do not pertain to the bank. Google results don't actually vary that much, not in one hour anyways (I assume you've googled "rbc" after I replied). Your user page indicates you're interested in business. Perhaps, you're getting personalized results because your searches might be business-related. I made sure not to use personalized results when I searched for "rbc" and got results that were not all about the bank.
- In short, I disagree that RBC refers to the bank, not the cells.
- Even if red blood cells is not the primary page, the bank is not as well. Just a reminder, I didn't redir the primary page to red blood cells, but to a neutral disambiguation page. Temporal User ( Talk) 01:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Google results can vary, but you're saying it had one result in the top ten, undoubtedly amongst nine other hits for the Royal Bank of Canada. I work in healthcare, and lived nowhere near an RBC branch for the first two decades of my life, and still think of RBC as a bank. Further, RBC the bank is not limited to Canada or business: it has a significant presence across a large portion of the United States. Neither here nor there, though. RBC much more frequently refers to the bank than to the blood cells. Do you disagree with that? We have redirect, dabhat, and Subject (disambiguation) for a reason.
user:j
(aka justen)
00:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
(←) I think you missed my point. Red blood cell may be vastly more popular an article, but that doesn't mean it is the more common usage of the initialism RBC in every day use. I'd be happy to take a look at a screenshot of your results, however mine are depersonalized, and seven of the top ten results are for the Royal Bank of Canada (the others being for the missionary organization at number five, and an industrial business and a consulting firm as the bottom two). Google does recommend "red blood cell" as a potential search term below the results, as number seven out of eight other potential terms (all the rest referring to the bank or various of its entities).
Lastly, you mention the term "neutral." Neutrality isn't an issue when it comes to disambiguation pages. There remains a dabhat at Royal Bank of Canada and a complete disambiguation page (the plurality of which are bank-related entities). I haven't seemed to be able to persuade you with the fact that, even on your search results, I am sure the bank-related usage makes up the majority of "RBC" hits. The preferred solution on Wikipedia when one usage is more common than another is a redirect, combined with a dabhat and a dab page. That's what was set up, and I'm going to go ahead and restore the redirect. user:j (aka justen) 06:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The preceding was copied from User talk:Temporaluser.
- Just my opinion here, there are far too many possibilities for "RBC" and I don't see there is any strong evidence of a primary topic. Of the top ten Google hits for "RBC" at present [2], only three are pertain to the Canadian bank. older ≠ wiser 13:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)