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According to this article, Biggie was not a fan of RA: [1] Let's not get into an edit war. If Biggie was a fan please provide a link proving it like I have. Thanks. MrBlondNYC 04:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is bogus and the alleged interview in the article came out years after Biggie had died (it's fake and no tape of that interview can be found.) While B.I.G. was alive he recorded two songs with R.A. The quote from biggie "I thought I was the illest" reffering to R.A. is fact and was published in Ego Trip magazine in 1994 while B.I.G. was still alive, the quote was also used several times while Jive was promoting R.A. as Crustified Dibbs from 1992 -1994. For more REAL proof not a bogus internet article check both Notorious B.I.G. albums 'Ready to die' and 'Life after Death', you'll see Biggie thanks 'Rugged Man' in the shout outs.
ONCE AGAIN--- For more REAL proof from the real NOTORIOUS B.I.G. check both Notorious B.I.G. albums 'Ready to die' and 'Life after Death', you'll see Biggie thanks 'Rugged Man' in the shout outs. --- Did you know B.I.G. personally? Try asking the people associated with B.I.G. and R.A., that knew the both of them. Jive records could not have used B.I.G.'s quote without serious lawsuit from Bad Boy if it were not true. Yes, and the magazine with the fake interview saying B.I.G. didn't like R.A. can not produce a taped recording of the interview. They have been asked to before and can't produce. It is false. That's why it was never published in a legitimate magazine because any magazine worth something would've feared a lawsuit. Don't you think a long lost B.I.G. interview would've been able to be published in a far more esteemed publication such as XXl, or SOURCE, or even URB ? Ofcourse, anyone would have taken that interview if it were real but nobody wants to publish an interview with no recorded proof. understand? In order for VIBE, SOURCE, KING, etc, to publish something like that the legal department needs the recorded tapes to varify if it is true.
Notorious B.I.G. quote "I thought I was the illest" reffering to R.A. the RUGGED MAN (Crustified Dibbs at the time) was published by EGO TRIP MAGAZINE (1994) Vol. 1, Issue 3: Smif-N-Wessun/on the cover. Published by E-Wilson who now is head at XXL, Sasha Jenkins, Chairman Mao, etc. It is a fact that the quote is in this issue. If it is removed from wikipedia the way it is written now you are removing historical truth. Please, stop trying to rewrite history and violate peoples reputations and names out of hate. Thank you.
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"Due to violent and disgusting behavior R.A. was blackballed and feared by music industry executives throughout much of the 1990's." - there has got to be specifics on what the "violent and disgusting behavior" is. thanks. Sfrostee 5/26/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.231.249 ( talk) 23:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
This XXL article states he was born in 1974. And if he was signed to Jive at 18, in 1992, that would also put his birthday in 1974. However an IP-editor has been removing this information and claiming that it's incorrect. This Amazon review states he was born in 1975, but of course an Amazon review isn't a reliable source. It would also mean he was signed to Jive at 17 in 1992 or at 18 in 1993, but not 18 in 1992. Can this IP-editor find any reliable sources to contradict those already referenced? If not, s/he should stop removing the info. Wetdogmeat ( talk) 14:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Interview with R.A. the Rugged Man on the Combat Jack show at 31:35 the date of birth is discussed. R.A. explains wikipedia has inaccurate information http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ http://allindstrom.com/2013/03/combat-jack-rugged-man/] http://nahright.com/news/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk)
This is R.A. the Rugged Man, I continue to send messages with no response. I want the wikipedia page that is written about me removed. I do not approve the constant false and private information that continues to go up on the page. This is my life and you are falsely representing me through your website. Wikipedia is the first thing that anyone reads when they google something and it is violating my rights. I do not want my name on your website anymore.
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This is R.A. the Rugged Man, I continue to send messages with no response. I want the wikipedia page that is written about me removed. I do not approve the constant false and private information that continues to go up on the page. This is my life and you are falsely representing me through your website. Wikipedia is the first thing that anyone reads when they google something and it is violating my rights. I do not want my name on your website anymore. RAThorburn ( talk) 10:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Who's rules are these? They are not written laws. If you are not inclined to delete my page then put me in touch with the higher up person at wikipedia who is. Obviously someone at wikipedia is capable. Here is what you told me "I dont think simply not wanting your name on Wikipedia is grounds for deletion (just like if you didn't want your name in a magazine".... but in reality its not "simply not wanting my name on wikipedia".. I have been slandered time and time again on wikipedia. if Any magazine slandered my name with as much false information as wikipedia has through out the years the magazine would be sued and held liable. If I go through the history of false information that has been spread on this page the list would be endless. I demand you have somebody contact me ratheruggedman516@yahoo.com so this issue can be resolved. RAThorburn ( talk) 21:43, 10 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk)
I've been slandered for years on wikipedia time and time again. You say you won't remove my page because I am a public figure but I am a person who has been violated continuously on your site. I do not trust your administrators, they have put up false and private information up countless times. you have already slandered my name on far too many occasions. Rather than making it a legal issue why not just cooperate and delete my page? And if you are not authorized to do so have someone who is.. contact me ratherugggedman516@yahoo.com RAThorburn ( talk) 9:38, 13 February 2013 (UTC) |
Is there a reason his full name is not in the lead? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 15:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
If you were a hardcore rapper and your real name was Reginald Arbuckle, would you want anyone to know? Haha, even his Dad was good enough to refer to him as "R.A." in the documentary footage shot before his death. 91.125.215.160 ( talk) 21:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Article currently says "R.A.'s father, Staff Sgt. John A. Thorburn, was a Vietnam veteran affected by Agent Orange. R.A.'s home and family life was significantly affected by his father's experience."
I have no reason to think this is not accurate, but is information of this kind ok to source to a personal website? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
His father was a staff Seargent but was not exposed to Agent Orange nor does exposure to the father give birth defects in children. This is just a quote from his song that doesn't have evidence for it.
This message here talks about his father and he was in the army & air force but the song lyrics are exaggerated to the actions. https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/john-j-flanagan/memory-john-andrew-thorburn 7Prefix7 ( talk) 07:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
How can wikipedia get away with this?.. they deleted all of the factual information and start the page with "R.A. began recording independently in the 2000's". .... R.A. - an artist that has been signed and had released material on majors since the beginning of the 90's.. This is not cool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk) 20:28, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I moved the IP's comments down to the bottom of the page, as per discussion page guidelines. Singularity42 ( talk) 21:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
-- Okay Answers: #1 it Did say... "he began recording independently in the 2000's"... Did I just make it up? NO.. and if you check an edit or two back it was removed after the complaint was made. Thank you.
Boo, bullshit, from what I've seen since I was a teenager, back in the 90's, Rugged Man is a notoriously good self-publicist (and promotionist) and yet, also very adept at keeping aspects of his personal life out of the media that he doesn't want publicised. I would also assume that he's got better things to do than get personally involved in an edit war on FUCKING WIKIPEDIA. Really? Find better things to do, fellas. 91.125.215.160 ( talk) 21:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
This article was fine, there was a regular cadre of interested editors who made sure this stayed up-to-date and up-to-standards about a contemporary pop culture figure. The only issue (which presumably brought it to the attention of disinterested parties, i.e. admins who just like using their powers rather than editing articles they care for the subject matter of) was when the subject himself wanted the whole article deleted. I mean, really? A BLP issue? How and when has "Associated Acts" ever been a BLP issue??? Sure, overzealous fanboys add more (and dubious) connections than are necessary, but that's true on probably every single artist with an infobox, and they're quickly returned to status quo by mere non-admin editors. Absurd. Ignore the anon-IP who claims to be RA and let the editors who are more interested in maintaining a proper, informative, and well-cited article than let power-hungry admins just delete entire pages. He's well established as a writer and critic, and it was well-cited. He's been published in at least ten magazines on subjects ranging from film to boxing. But noooooo, Hahc21 just decides that's a BLP issue and deletes it. Sigh.... JesseRafe ( talk) 02:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
You're personal talk said nothing about keeping the page up and removing all credible information, the talk was about removing false information or deleting the page. Here is articles and many sources where you can hopefully do a respectable job and fix this page as soon as possible.
The October 2006 issue of The Source featured R.A. The Rugged Man verse on Uncommon Valor: A Vietnam Story as its "Hip-Hop Quotable" of the month and HipHopDX named it as the "Verse of the Year" [7] AllHipHop.com states that "This record will be remembered most for R.A.'s robotic flow recounting his own father's story of war while absolutely murdering the beat." http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.693/title.2006-hiphopdx-awards
Here is a bio on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1587402/bio
proof of R.A. on Jive http://www.last.fm/music/Crustified+Dibbs
Proof R.A. on Priority and Capitol http://books.google.com/books?id=Wr1lmklsD8QC&pg=PT534&dq=ra+the+rugged+man+priority&hl=en&sa=X&ei=960vUceWPLD00QHQr4HIAg&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg
R.A. from suffolk County Long Island http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10240/title.ra-the-rugged-man-talks-latest-release-smithhaven-mall
R.A. was a journalist for SOURCE, VIBE, MASS APPEAL, KING, COMPLEX, etc. http://books.google.com/books?id=tyYEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA46&dq=ra+the+rugged+man+vibe+magazine&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ObEvUbjtL-6P0QGi9IDQDw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ra%20the%20rugged%20man%20vibe%20magazine&f=false Complex http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2005/12/ushers_confessi.html etc.. Mass Appeal http://massappeal.com/chuck-norris-kicks-r-a-the-rugged-mans-ass/ http://babylonfalling.tumblr.com/post/5805933806/r-a-the-rugged-man-interviews-scarlett-johansson
R.A.'s PERSONAL LIFE about my father well documented by Newsday http://www.newsday.com/news/health/can-dad-s-agent-orange-exposure-cause-birth-defects-1.1856373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WNNL2MIE8w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivspltnMCr0
R.A. currently has a web series through MTV's film.com called Film School where he breaks down his love for cinema
http://guycodeblog.mtv.com/2012/06/22/r-a-the-rugged-man-film-school/ http://guycodeblog.mtv.com/2012/07/20/movies-r-a-the-rugged-man/ http://www.film.com/uncategorized/film-school-with-r-a-the-rugged-man-r-a-goes-hollywood — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk) 07:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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Tony Hawks Underground video game | link |
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Mass Appeal | link |
Mass Appeal 2 | link |
Aget Orange Newsday 1 | link |
Aget Orange Newsday 2 | link |
Aget Orange Newsday 3 | link |
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I am removing the DOB. I understand this may be controversial, but at the moment, I believe there are multiple sites with multiple dates, none of which are highly reliable. In some situations, if there are differing dates from decent sources, we will report it exactly that way–something along the line of "some sources report X while other sources report Y". That may be the way to go, and if someone want to craft such a sentence, we can make sure that the sources are adequate and report it that way. However, one cannot have multiple dates in the info box, or in the simple parenthetical remark after the first mention of the name.It ought to be a stand-alone sentence or paragraph. We must also consider the possibility that the year can be identified, or narrowed down, but the month and day might elude satisfactory referencing.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 12:43, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Interview with R.A. the Rugged Man on the Combat Jack show at 31:35 the date of birth is discussed. http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ http://allindstrom.com/2013/03/combat-jack-rugged-man/] http://nahright.com/news/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk) 22:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Much of the content was removed, due to some diputs about what was factual and what was not. I'd like to start the process of building back the contnet.
RA suggests the following wording, or something like it was in the article at some time:
At 18, R.A. signed with Jive Records and then in the mid-1990s signed with Priority Records/EMI. His contract was later absorbed by Capitol Records but he began recording independently in the early 2000s. He has worked some of the greatest in history including the Notorious B.I.G., Mobb Deep, Sadat X, Akinyele, Chuck D of Public Enemy, Jedi Mind Tricks, Kool G Rap, Wu-Tang Clan, Rakim, and producers Trackmasters, Erick Sermon, DJ Quik, Buckwild, Havoc, Alchemist, and Ayatollah. He was featured on all three of Rawkus’s Soundbombing albums, as well as the platinum-selling WWF Aggression album, performing the theme song for Chris Jericho. In Ego Trip Vol. 1, Issue 3, the Notorious B.I.G. was quoted as saying, "I thought I was the illest," when referring to R.A.[2] He is closey associated to the Wu-tang clan and its various associates.
Of course, we do not simply copy and paste, we decide what to include and how to write it. For example, I don't think we can refernce the list as "the greatest" without some solid references.
However, it is a starting point.
The opening two sentences seem fine, if they can be supported by references.
I suggest:
In 1992, R.A. signed with Jive Records and then in the mid-1990s signed with Priority Records/EMI.
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I removed this from the lede per WP:OPENPARA. It should be included in the body of the article. -- Malerooster ( talk) 03:08, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, the problem with the name is the R.A and the DOB, not the thorburn. The thorburn is certainly his real name, so it seems right to put it up there. I shall replace it tomorrow if no-one has any objections. Thanks, Benboy00 ( talk) 00:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
According to research (all from free websites and online databases):
R.A.'s real first name is Ryan, and his actual year of birth is 1973 (not 74), which makes his DOB 1-10-73. Yodabyte ( talk) 07:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, for one, the site claiming his name is Ryan suggests his name is "Ryan Andrew Thorburn", but Richard-Andrew is known (stated by him) as his middle name, and what the initials stand for, so there's a conflict of information there - in my mind the subject is the most reliable source, therefore any other source can suck it. However, I actually came to the same conclusion about his birth year. He mentions in an
interview:
"That happened to me early in the game. I was an 17, 18 year-old kid at the record label getting deals, so when my career felt like it was over and I was blackballed and all that stuff, I was only 21 years-old!"
There's also another interview (arguably not a reliable source since it's a blog, but the author of the blog is considerably reliable and the interview contains accurate details only R.A. would know, so it's safe to say these are all R.A.'s words) which states:
"Flatline: You were 18 or 19 when you hooked up with Jive Records right? R.A.: Well, goin' on 19 I had nine record deals on the table for a lot of money because I kept holdin' out..."
This is important - he got an offer for a deal at 18 (ED: actually to correct myself there, he got nine deals on the table "going-on 19" - for all we could know, he waited for a better offer until he was 20+), but didn't necessarily sign with them straight away, until he passed 19, suggesting, but not definitively confirming, a 1973 birth year. He also says something to suggest a 1975 birth year but it's rather vague. Also, in the former (unkut) interview he's also quoted...
"R.A. Rugged The Man: I met my boy Bub, who was a neighborhood beat boxer – Human Beatbox Bub. He was like fifteen, sixteen and I was like eleven. He was in a shopping center and I seen this kid blowing-up a shopping center window with an M-80. He was like, “C’mere kid, watch this!”. He blew off the window and we were friends ever since. He’d say, “Yo, check out this tape! It’s Whodini ‘Escape’, it’s the best album ever!”"
Whodini's "Escape" was released late in 1984 so if he was still 11 or possibly 12 by that time (and didn't hear it until next year after his birthday), it would still suggest 1973 (72 at the earliest, 74 latest) as his real birth year. So in case anyone is in a rush to go adding more details, perhaps they need to pay attention to all the available sources instead of just a select handful, and even then there is always room for error (though I'm pretty satisfied with the likelihood of 1973) so let's not rush to tell the subject we know his birthdate better than him before we look stupid, m'kay? 92.40.250.86 ( talk) 19:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Can the associated act with A-F-R-O be added to the documentation/affiliation?
It is not a secret and quite obvious that thanks to the rap-contest RA has now taken A-F-R-O under his wing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.67.130 ( talk) 10:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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You could include in the Personal Life section that the A in his name R.A. The Rugged Man stands for "Andrew", which is also his fathers middle name. His full name is Richard Andrew Thorburn. The following link is the source: [1] WikiBro458 ( talk) 15:35, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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Under controversy: RA the Ruggedman a self proclaimed half Irish half Sicilian White man from Long Island NY accused quarter Asian Tim Pool of lying and doing a "Jessie Somolete" (his own words) when Pool spoke about the struggles that he and his family encountered during his upbringing as a minority.
Also accused other minority cast members of the show of not knowing what it is like to struggle in America as a minority...
When he was called out for being racist he then went on a violent tantrum so that he would not appear to be as weak as his arguments were. 2607:FB91:1415:702A:FDFD:182:9225:13F3 ( talk) 07:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
He was known for the Vinyl single 50,000 heads in 1997. Dont have information to how many singles it sold but it was a word of mouth hit. 2603:7000:B901:8500:E185:1AC4:68D2:A1B3 ( talk) 17:15, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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According to this article, Biggie was not a fan of RA: [1] Let's not get into an edit war. If Biggie was a fan please provide a link proving it like I have. Thanks. MrBlondNYC 04:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is bogus and the alleged interview in the article came out years after Biggie had died (it's fake and no tape of that interview can be found.) While B.I.G. was alive he recorded two songs with R.A. The quote from biggie "I thought I was the illest" reffering to R.A. is fact and was published in Ego Trip magazine in 1994 while B.I.G. was still alive, the quote was also used several times while Jive was promoting R.A. as Crustified Dibbs from 1992 -1994. For more REAL proof not a bogus internet article check both Notorious B.I.G. albums 'Ready to die' and 'Life after Death', you'll see Biggie thanks 'Rugged Man' in the shout outs.
ONCE AGAIN--- For more REAL proof from the real NOTORIOUS B.I.G. check both Notorious B.I.G. albums 'Ready to die' and 'Life after Death', you'll see Biggie thanks 'Rugged Man' in the shout outs. --- Did you know B.I.G. personally? Try asking the people associated with B.I.G. and R.A., that knew the both of them. Jive records could not have used B.I.G.'s quote without serious lawsuit from Bad Boy if it were not true. Yes, and the magazine with the fake interview saying B.I.G. didn't like R.A. can not produce a taped recording of the interview. They have been asked to before and can't produce. It is false. That's why it was never published in a legitimate magazine because any magazine worth something would've feared a lawsuit. Don't you think a long lost B.I.G. interview would've been able to be published in a far more esteemed publication such as XXl, or SOURCE, or even URB ? Ofcourse, anyone would have taken that interview if it were real but nobody wants to publish an interview with no recorded proof. understand? In order for VIBE, SOURCE, KING, etc, to publish something like that the legal department needs the recorded tapes to varify if it is true.
Notorious B.I.G. quote "I thought I was the illest" reffering to R.A. the RUGGED MAN (Crustified Dibbs at the time) was published by EGO TRIP MAGAZINE (1994) Vol. 1, Issue 3: Smif-N-Wessun/on the cover. Published by E-Wilson who now is head at XXL, Sasha Jenkins, Chairman Mao, etc. It is a fact that the quote is in this issue. If it is removed from wikipedia the way it is written now you are removing historical truth. Please, stop trying to rewrite history and violate peoples reputations and names out of hate. Thank you.
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"Due to violent and disgusting behavior R.A. was blackballed and feared by music industry executives throughout much of the 1990's." - there has got to be specifics on what the "violent and disgusting behavior" is. thanks. Sfrostee 5/26/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.231.249 ( talk) 23:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
This XXL article states he was born in 1974. And if he was signed to Jive at 18, in 1992, that would also put his birthday in 1974. However an IP-editor has been removing this information and claiming that it's incorrect. This Amazon review states he was born in 1975, but of course an Amazon review isn't a reliable source. It would also mean he was signed to Jive at 17 in 1992 or at 18 in 1993, but not 18 in 1992. Can this IP-editor find any reliable sources to contradict those already referenced? If not, s/he should stop removing the info. Wetdogmeat ( talk) 14:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Interview with R.A. the Rugged Man on the Combat Jack show at 31:35 the date of birth is discussed. R.A. explains wikipedia has inaccurate information http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ http://allindstrom.com/2013/03/combat-jack-rugged-man/] http://nahright.com/news/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk)
This is R.A. the Rugged Man, I continue to send messages with no response. I want the wikipedia page that is written about me removed. I do not approve the constant false and private information that continues to go up on the page. This is my life and you are falsely representing me through your website. Wikipedia is the first thing that anyone reads when they google something and it is violating my rights. I do not want my name on your website anymore.
Enough. The request to delete the article has been asked and answered with an explanation and links to the
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This is R.A. the Rugged Man, I continue to send messages with no response. I want the wikipedia page that is written about me removed. I do not approve the constant false and private information that continues to go up on the page. This is my life and you are falsely representing me through your website. Wikipedia is the first thing that anyone reads when they google something and it is violating my rights. I do not want my name on your website anymore. RAThorburn ( talk) 10:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Who's rules are these? They are not written laws. If you are not inclined to delete my page then put me in touch with the higher up person at wikipedia who is. Obviously someone at wikipedia is capable. Here is what you told me "I dont think simply not wanting your name on Wikipedia is grounds for deletion (just like if you didn't want your name in a magazine".... but in reality its not "simply not wanting my name on wikipedia".. I have been slandered time and time again on wikipedia. if Any magazine slandered my name with as much false information as wikipedia has through out the years the magazine would be sued and held liable. If I go through the history of false information that has been spread on this page the list would be endless. I demand you have somebody contact me ratheruggedman516@yahoo.com so this issue can be resolved. RAThorburn ( talk) 21:43, 10 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk)
I've been slandered for years on wikipedia time and time again. You say you won't remove my page because I am a public figure but I am a person who has been violated continuously on your site. I do not trust your administrators, they have put up false and private information up countless times. you have already slandered my name on far too many occasions. Rather than making it a legal issue why not just cooperate and delete my page? And if you are not authorized to do so have someone who is.. contact me ratherugggedman516@yahoo.com RAThorburn ( talk) 9:38, 13 February 2013 (UTC) |
Is there a reason his full name is not in the lead? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 15:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
If you were a hardcore rapper and your real name was Reginald Arbuckle, would you want anyone to know? Haha, even his Dad was good enough to refer to him as "R.A." in the documentary footage shot before his death. 91.125.215.160 ( talk) 21:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Article currently says "R.A.'s father, Staff Sgt. John A. Thorburn, was a Vietnam veteran affected by Agent Orange. R.A.'s home and family life was significantly affected by his father's experience."
I have no reason to think this is not accurate, but is information of this kind ok to source to a personal website? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
His father was a staff Seargent but was not exposed to Agent Orange nor does exposure to the father give birth defects in children. This is just a quote from his song that doesn't have evidence for it.
This message here talks about his father and he was in the army & air force but the song lyrics are exaggerated to the actions. https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/john-j-flanagan/memory-john-andrew-thorburn 7Prefix7 ( talk) 07:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
How can wikipedia get away with this?.. they deleted all of the factual information and start the page with "R.A. began recording independently in the 2000's". .... R.A. - an artist that has been signed and had released material on majors since the beginning of the 90's.. This is not cool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk) 20:28, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I moved the IP's comments down to the bottom of the page, as per discussion page guidelines. Singularity42 ( talk) 21:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
-- Okay Answers: #1 it Did say... "he began recording independently in the 2000's"... Did I just make it up? NO.. and if you check an edit or two back it was removed after the complaint was made. Thank you.
Boo, bullshit, from what I've seen since I was a teenager, back in the 90's, Rugged Man is a notoriously good self-publicist (and promotionist) and yet, also very adept at keeping aspects of his personal life out of the media that he doesn't want publicised. I would also assume that he's got better things to do than get personally involved in an edit war on FUCKING WIKIPEDIA. Really? Find better things to do, fellas. 91.125.215.160 ( talk) 21:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
This article was fine, there was a regular cadre of interested editors who made sure this stayed up-to-date and up-to-standards about a contemporary pop culture figure. The only issue (which presumably brought it to the attention of disinterested parties, i.e. admins who just like using their powers rather than editing articles they care for the subject matter of) was when the subject himself wanted the whole article deleted. I mean, really? A BLP issue? How and when has "Associated Acts" ever been a BLP issue??? Sure, overzealous fanboys add more (and dubious) connections than are necessary, but that's true on probably every single artist with an infobox, and they're quickly returned to status quo by mere non-admin editors. Absurd. Ignore the anon-IP who claims to be RA and let the editors who are more interested in maintaining a proper, informative, and well-cited article than let power-hungry admins just delete entire pages. He's well established as a writer and critic, and it was well-cited. He's been published in at least ten magazines on subjects ranging from film to boxing. But noooooo, Hahc21 just decides that's a BLP issue and deletes it. Sigh.... JesseRafe ( talk) 02:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
You're personal talk said nothing about keeping the page up and removing all credible information, the talk was about removing false information or deleting the page. Here is articles and many sources where you can hopefully do a respectable job and fix this page as soon as possible.
The October 2006 issue of The Source featured R.A. The Rugged Man verse on Uncommon Valor: A Vietnam Story as its "Hip-Hop Quotable" of the month and HipHopDX named it as the "Verse of the Year" [7] AllHipHop.com states that "This record will be remembered most for R.A.'s robotic flow recounting his own father's story of war while absolutely murdering the beat." http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.693/title.2006-hiphopdx-awards
Here is a bio on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1587402/bio
proof of R.A. on Jive http://www.last.fm/music/Crustified+Dibbs
Proof R.A. on Priority and Capitol http://books.google.com/books?id=Wr1lmklsD8QC&pg=PT534&dq=ra+the+rugged+man+priority&hl=en&sa=X&ei=960vUceWPLD00QHQr4HIAg&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg
R.A. from suffolk County Long Island http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10240/title.ra-the-rugged-man-talks-latest-release-smithhaven-mall
R.A. was a journalist for SOURCE, VIBE, MASS APPEAL, KING, COMPLEX, etc. http://books.google.com/books?id=tyYEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA46&dq=ra+the+rugged+man+vibe+magazine&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ObEvUbjtL-6P0QGi9IDQDw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ra%20the%20rugged%20man%20vibe%20magazine&f=false Complex http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2005/12/ushers_confessi.html etc.. Mass Appeal http://massappeal.com/chuck-norris-kicks-r-a-the-rugged-mans-ass/ http://babylonfalling.tumblr.com/post/5805933806/r-a-the-rugged-man-interviews-scarlett-johansson
R.A.'s PERSONAL LIFE about my father well documented by Newsday http://www.newsday.com/news/health/can-dad-s-agent-orange-exposure-cause-birth-defects-1.1856373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WNNL2MIE8w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivspltnMCr0
R.A. currently has a web series through MTV's film.com called Film School where he breaks down his love for cinema
http://guycodeblog.mtv.com/2012/06/22/r-a-the-rugged-man-film-school/ http://guycodeblog.mtv.com/2012/07/20/movies-r-a-the-rugged-man/ http://www.film.com/uncategorized/film-school-with-r-a-the-rugged-man-r-a-goes-hollywood — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk) 07:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Source | Url |
bio on IMDB | link |
Village Voice article | link |
2006 HipHopDX Awards | link |
Last.fm | link |
Tony Hawks Underground video game | link |
Suffolk county, Long Island ref | link |
Complex | link |
Mass Appeal | link |
Mass Appeal 2 | link |
Aget Orange Newsday 1 | link |
Aget Orange Newsday 2 | link |
Aget Orange Newsday 3 | link |
MTV Film School 1 | link |
MTV Film School 2 | link |
MTV Film School 3 | link |
I am removing the DOB. I understand this may be controversial, but at the moment, I believe there are multiple sites with multiple dates, none of which are highly reliable. In some situations, if there are differing dates from decent sources, we will report it exactly that way–something along the line of "some sources report X while other sources report Y". That may be the way to go, and if someone want to craft such a sentence, we can make sure that the sources are adequate and report it that way. However, one cannot have multiple dates in the info box, or in the simple parenthetical remark after the first mention of the name.It ought to be a stand-alone sentence or paragraph. We must also consider the possibility that the year can be identified, or narrowed down, but the month and day might elude satisfactory referencing.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 12:43, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Interview with R.A. the Rugged Man on the Combat Jack show at 31:35 the date of birth is discussed. http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ http://allindstrom.com/2013/03/combat-jack-rugged-man/] http://nahright.com/news/2013/03/25/r-a-the-rugged-man-on-the-combat-jack-show/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.182.90.147 ( talk) 22:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Much of the content was removed, due to some diputs about what was factual and what was not. I'd like to start the process of building back the contnet.
RA suggests the following wording, or something like it was in the article at some time:
At 18, R.A. signed with Jive Records and then in the mid-1990s signed with Priority Records/EMI. His contract was later absorbed by Capitol Records but he began recording independently in the early 2000s. He has worked some of the greatest in history including the Notorious B.I.G., Mobb Deep, Sadat X, Akinyele, Chuck D of Public Enemy, Jedi Mind Tricks, Kool G Rap, Wu-Tang Clan, Rakim, and producers Trackmasters, Erick Sermon, DJ Quik, Buckwild, Havoc, Alchemist, and Ayatollah. He was featured on all three of Rawkus’s Soundbombing albums, as well as the platinum-selling WWF Aggression album, performing the theme song for Chris Jericho. In Ego Trip Vol. 1, Issue 3, the Notorious B.I.G. was quoted as saying, "I thought I was the illest," when referring to R.A.[2] He is closey associated to the Wu-tang clan and its various associates.
Of course, we do not simply copy and paste, we decide what to include and how to write it. For example, I don't think we can refernce the list as "the greatest" without some solid references.
However, it is a starting point.
The opening two sentences seem fine, if they can be supported by references.
I suggest:
In 1992, R.A. signed with Jive Records and then in the mid-1990s signed with Priority Records/EMI.
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20:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)Hi all. I've filed a request at the BLP noticeboard regarding this article. You will find it here. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 14:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed this from the lede per WP:OPENPARA. It should be included in the body of the article. -- Malerooster ( talk) 03:08, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, the problem with the name is the R.A and the DOB, not the thorburn. The thorburn is certainly his real name, so it seems right to put it up there. I shall replace it tomorrow if no-one has any objections. Thanks, Benboy00 ( talk) 00:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
According to research (all from free websites and online databases):
R.A.'s real first name is Ryan, and his actual year of birth is 1973 (not 74), which makes his DOB 1-10-73. Yodabyte ( talk) 07:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, for one, the site claiming his name is Ryan suggests his name is "Ryan Andrew Thorburn", but Richard-Andrew is known (stated by him) as his middle name, and what the initials stand for, so there's a conflict of information there - in my mind the subject is the most reliable source, therefore any other source can suck it. However, I actually came to the same conclusion about his birth year. He mentions in an
interview:
"That happened to me early in the game. I was an 17, 18 year-old kid at the record label getting deals, so when my career felt like it was over and I was blackballed and all that stuff, I was only 21 years-old!"
There's also another interview (arguably not a reliable source since it's a blog, but the author of the blog is considerably reliable and the interview contains accurate details only R.A. would know, so it's safe to say these are all R.A.'s words) which states:
"Flatline: You were 18 or 19 when you hooked up with Jive Records right? R.A.: Well, goin' on 19 I had nine record deals on the table for a lot of money because I kept holdin' out..."
This is important - he got an offer for a deal at 18 (ED: actually to correct myself there, he got nine deals on the table "going-on 19" - for all we could know, he waited for a better offer until he was 20+), but didn't necessarily sign with them straight away, until he passed 19, suggesting, but not definitively confirming, a 1973 birth year. He also says something to suggest a 1975 birth year but it's rather vague. Also, in the former (unkut) interview he's also quoted...
"R.A. Rugged The Man: I met my boy Bub, who was a neighborhood beat boxer – Human Beatbox Bub. He was like fifteen, sixteen and I was like eleven. He was in a shopping center and I seen this kid blowing-up a shopping center window with an M-80. He was like, “C’mere kid, watch this!”. He blew off the window and we were friends ever since. He’d say, “Yo, check out this tape! It’s Whodini ‘Escape’, it’s the best album ever!”"
Whodini's "Escape" was released late in 1984 so if he was still 11 or possibly 12 by that time (and didn't hear it until next year after his birthday), it would still suggest 1973 (72 at the earliest, 74 latest) as his real birth year. So in case anyone is in a rush to go adding more details, perhaps they need to pay attention to all the available sources instead of just a select handful, and even then there is always room for error (though I'm pretty satisfied with the likelihood of 1973) so let's not rush to tell the subject we know his birthdate better than him before we look stupid, m'kay? 92.40.250.86 ( talk) 19:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Can the associated act with A-F-R-O be added to the documentation/affiliation?
It is not a secret and quite obvious that thanks to the rap-contest RA has now taken A-F-R-O under his wing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.67.130 ( talk) 10:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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You could include in the Personal Life section that the A in his name R.A. The Rugged Man stands for "Andrew", which is also his fathers middle name. His full name is Richard Andrew Thorburn. The following link is the source: [1] WikiBro458 ( talk) 15:35, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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Under controversy: RA the Ruggedman a self proclaimed half Irish half Sicilian White man from Long Island NY accused quarter Asian Tim Pool of lying and doing a "Jessie Somolete" (his own words) when Pool spoke about the struggles that he and his family encountered during his upbringing as a minority.
Also accused other minority cast members of the show of not knowing what it is like to struggle in America as a minority...
When he was called out for being racist he then went on a violent tantrum so that he would not appear to be as weak as his arguments were. 2607:FB91:1415:702A:FDFD:182:9225:13F3 ( talk) 07:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
He was known for the Vinyl single 50,000 heads in 1997. Dont have information to how many singles it sold but it was a word of mouth hit. 2603:7000:B901:8500:E185:1AC4:68D2:A1B3 ( talk) 17:15, 27 August 2022 (UTC)