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I am wondering what her titles were from her marriage in 1962 to her husband being designated Prince of Spain in 1969. And after 1969 until 1975 (when Juan Carlos became King), was she Princess of Spain? Just trying to get it right because as of now, her titles section claims that she has been HM The Queen since 1962, and that is not correct. Prsgoddess187 13:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm not really sure, but I think that because Franco was still alive Spain hadnt really transitioned back into a monarchy yet, so im guessing that she was just Princess Sofia. But it could have been that she was The Princess of Spain, although it would probably be difficult to find out. For now I'm just going to fix the date that she became queen, and for now until someone can tell us, im just going to put her as Princess Sofia, from her marriage to her husbands ascension. Mac Domhnaill 00:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. It would make sense for her to be titled Princess Sofia, so until someone comes up with evidence one way or the other, we can leave it at that. Thanks. Prsgoddess187 01:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
someone has changed her title from Princess Sofia of Spain to Infanta Sofia of Spain. As an Infanta and Princess are not the same thing, an Infanta is by birth right not by marriage. Mac Domhnaill 19:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I am Spanish and inside Spain she is called Queen Sofia of Spain, and before come queen, Princess Sofia of Spain, not Infanta.
I am not a molecular biologist. Would someone care to explain to me what Halogroup H is?
There has been a mistake in Queen Sofía's maiden name. Many people referred to her maiden name as princess of Greece and Denmark but the official website of the Royal House of Spain ( www.casareal.es) named her as Princess of Greece only, you can even visit the website of the Greek royal family ( www.greekroyalfamily.org) and read that they never mention Denmark or call any member of their family as prince or princess of Denmark (you will find Queen Sofia's biography too). The mistake comes as the Greek royal family had descended from the Danish royal family. Queen Sofía's mother Queen Federika was princess of Hanover; so Queen Sofía could be called properly as princess of Greece and Hannover, but the Spanish royal house only name her as princess of Greece.
All greek royals share the title "of Greece and Denmark". This was a stipulation laid down by King Christian IX when his son Prince Vilhelm accepted the throne of Greece. See the book "Kings of the Hellenes: The Greek Kings, 1863-1974" by John van der Kiste -- Mpokane 15:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Why the table of Greek monarchy? Sofia is Queen of Spain, the well table is Spanish monarchy.
I moved the page from Queen Sofia of Spain to Queen Sofía of Spain, but the talk page was left behind. I didn't know what else to do, so I added a merge request.-- Cúchullain t/ c 20:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the Juan Carlos article, and other sources, he never held the Asturias title in his life, either officially or as a courtesy. He was Prince Juan of Spain for many years until he added his second name and became known as Prince Juan Carlos -- again, according to his article. He was made Prince of Spain in 1969, but not Prince of Asturias, again which his article notes. So therefore, Sofía was never Princess of Asturias. Mowens35 12:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
What happened in 1969 that she went from Princess Sofia of Spain to The Princess of Spain? Cjrs 79 05:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Queen Sofía is not a vegetarian, as she eat fish. I delete the category. -- 84.79.215.124 02:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I made some changes to the notes about wearing white. I corrected the grammar and the (incorrect) link to Isabella of Castile. It is still possible to link to Isabella through this new link, so nothing's lost. Dakno 03:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have references to confirm the following quote from the article?
and then studied pediatrics, music, and archeology in Athens
If she "studied pediatrics", she must have gotten a medical degree first, right? Mip | Talk 17:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm...what is that supposed to mean? It is very vague. -- Jack1755 ( talk) 16:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Neither Anne-Marie of Greece nor Anne of Romania are active Queen Consorts. In fact, Anne of Romania married King Michael after he had been deposed. Of all extant monarchies, Queen Sofia is the only queen consort to have been born into a royal family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.172 ( talk) 22:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Queen Sofia is Second-Cousin is Prince Charles of England. Sofia's father is King Paul. King Paul's father is Constantine, Constantine's brother is Prince Andrew. Andrew's son is Prince Phillip. His wife is Queen ELizabeth the Second who is the mother of Prince Charles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.222.154.151 ( talk) 01:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
There seems to be a general aversion on Wikipedia to using "Queen" etc. in article titles, so should this be moved to "Sofía of Spain"? There are a number of discussions going on already. PatGallacher ( talk) 10:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
This article was moved without consensus. There is no automatic presumption in favour of maiden names, see WP:NCROY. There is currently a discussion at Marie of Edinburgh which has some bearing on this issue, I suggest putting all moves of queens consort on hold until this is completed. PatGallacher ( talk) 16:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
It is not normal to have "Queen" in the title. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I would've gladly supported the move if her granddaughter wasn't Sofía of Spain as well. I would support similar requests (such as Queen Silvia of Sweden to Silvia of Sweden) but this case is not as simple as others are. Surtsicna ( talk) 19:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
The queen could still be the primary meaning. PatGallacher ( talk) 20:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
This is a borderline case, but on second thoughts, in view of the information which has been brought to my attention, I withdraw this proposed move, although I still think "Sofía of Spain" should redirect here. PatGallacher ( talk) 23:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't understand the problem. It's entirely in line with guideline WP:NCNT. See other European examples: Queen Paola of Belgium, Queen Sonja of Norway, and Queen Silvia of Sweden. Dr. D.E. Mophon ( talk) 17:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
there are a lot of decorations, list moved to List of titles and honours of Queen Sofía of Spain as main mebers of the British and Spanish Royal Families -- Galico ( talk) 17:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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Since she is no longer Queen of Spain due to her husband's abdication, I believe the article should be moved to Sofía of Spain. Impru20 ( talk) 11:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
See Queen Paola of Belgium, for an example of why this article shouldn't be renamed. GoodDay ( talk) 01:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Hola Surtsicna His Majesty's eyes are like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerson10 ( talk • contribs) 23:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Would it be possible to see some sourcing on Queen Sofía's middle names (Margarita Victoria Frederika)? Neither of her siblings have them, and I don't see any other Greek Royals (Philip, Marina, etc.) who have had them. The only ones I have seen with multiple names were hyphenates (Maria-Olympia, Constantine-Alexios). I've also read that you are only allowed to be baptized with one name in the Greek Orthodox church. Just looking to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks! JasonBux ( talk) 20:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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Should the intro to this article begin with Queen Sofía of Spain & the infobox heading be Sofía? or not. GoodDay ( talk) 21:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
If the trend continues towards no, then I'll have to make changes to the Queen Fabiola of Belgium article. GoodDay ( talk) 00:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hasn't Sofía been given the official title of Queen Mother? Surely some of our users with Greek or Spanish heritage must have seen something on that? SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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I am wondering what her titles were from her marriage in 1962 to her husband being designated Prince of Spain in 1969. And after 1969 until 1975 (when Juan Carlos became King), was she Princess of Spain? Just trying to get it right because as of now, her titles section claims that she has been HM The Queen since 1962, and that is not correct. Prsgoddess187 13:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm not really sure, but I think that because Franco was still alive Spain hadnt really transitioned back into a monarchy yet, so im guessing that she was just Princess Sofia. But it could have been that she was The Princess of Spain, although it would probably be difficult to find out. For now I'm just going to fix the date that she became queen, and for now until someone can tell us, im just going to put her as Princess Sofia, from her marriage to her husbands ascension. Mac Domhnaill 00:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. It would make sense for her to be titled Princess Sofia, so until someone comes up with evidence one way or the other, we can leave it at that. Thanks. Prsgoddess187 01:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
someone has changed her title from Princess Sofia of Spain to Infanta Sofia of Spain. As an Infanta and Princess are not the same thing, an Infanta is by birth right not by marriage. Mac Domhnaill 19:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I am Spanish and inside Spain she is called Queen Sofia of Spain, and before come queen, Princess Sofia of Spain, not Infanta.
I am not a molecular biologist. Would someone care to explain to me what Halogroup H is?
There has been a mistake in Queen Sofía's maiden name. Many people referred to her maiden name as princess of Greece and Denmark but the official website of the Royal House of Spain ( www.casareal.es) named her as Princess of Greece only, you can even visit the website of the Greek royal family ( www.greekroyalfamily.org) and read that they never mention Denmark or call any member of their family as prince or princess of Denmark (you will find Queen Sofia's biography too). The mistake comes as the Greek royal family had descended from the Danish royal family. Queen Sofía's mother Queen Federika was princess of Hanover; so Queen Sofía could be called properly as princess of Greece and Hannover, but the Spanish royal house only name her as princess of Greece.
All greek royals share the title "of Greece and Denmark". This was a stipulation laid down by King Christian IX when his son Prince Vilhelm accepted the throne of Greece. See the book "Kings of the Hellenes: The Greek Kings, 1863-1974" by John van der Kiste -- Mpokane 15:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Why the table of Greek monarchy? Sofia is Queen of Spain, the well table is Spanish monarchy.
I moved the page from Queen Sofia of Spain to Queen Sofía of Spain, but the talk page was left behind. I didn't know what else to do, so I added a merge request.-- Cúchullain t/ c 20:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the Juan Carlos article, and other sources, he never held the Asturias title in his life, either officially or as a courtesy. He was Prince Juan of Spain for many years until he added his second name and became known as Prince Juan Carlos -- again, according to his article. He was made Prince of Spain in 1969, but not Prince of Asturias, again which his article notes. So therefore, Sofía was never Princess of Asturias. Mowens35 12:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
What happened in 1969 that she went from Princess Sofia of Spain to The Princess of Spain? Cjrs 79 05:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Queen Sofía is not a vegetarian, as she eat fish. I delete the category. -- 84.79.215.124 02:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I made some changes to the notes about wearing white. I corrected the grammar and the (incorrect) link to Isabella of Castile. It is still possible to link to Isabella through this new link, so nothing's lost. Dakno 03:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have references to confirm the following quote from the article?
and then studied pediatrics, music, and archeology in Athens
If she "studied pediatrics", she must have gotten a medical degree first, right? Mip | Talk 17:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm...what is that supposed to mean? It is very vague. -- Jack1755 ( talk) 16:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Neither Anne-Marie of Greece nor Anne of Romania are active Queen Consorts. In fact, Anne of Romania married King Michael after he had been deposed. Of all extant monarchies, Queen Sofia is the only queen consort to have been born into a royal family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.172 ( talk) 22:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Queen Sofia is Second-Cousin is Prince Charles of England. Sofia's father is King Paul. King Paul's father is Constantine, Constantine's brother is Prince Andrew. Andrew's son is Prince Phillip. His wife is Queen ELizabeth the Second who is the mother of Prince Charles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.222.154.151 ( talk) 01:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
There seems to be a general aversion on Wikipedia to using "Queen" etc. in article titles, so should this be moved to "Sofía of Spain"? There are a number of discussions going on already. PatGallacher ( talk) 10:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
This article was moved without consensus. There is no automatic presumption in favour of maiden names, see WP:NCROY. There is currently a discussion at Marie of Edinburgh which has some bearing on this issue, I suggest putting all moves of queens consort on hold until this is completed. PatGallacher ( talk) 16:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
It is not normal to have "Queen" in the title. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I would've gladly supported the move if her granddaughter wasn't Sofía of Spain as well. I would support similar requests (such as Queen Silvia of Sweden to Silvia of Sweden) but this case is not as simple as others are. Surtsicna ( talk) 19:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
The queen could still be the primary meaning. PatGallacher ( talk) 20:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
This is a borderline case, but on second thoughts, in view of the information which has been brought to my attention, I withdraw this proposed move, although I still think "Sofía of Spain" should redirect here. PatGallacher ( talk) 23:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't understand the problem. It's entirely in line with guideline WP:NCNT. See other European examples: Queen Paola of Belgium, Queen Sonja of Norway, and Queen Silvia of Sweden. Dr. D.E. Mophon ( talk) 17:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
there are a lot of decorations, list moved to List of titles and honours of Queen Sofía of Spain as main mebers of the British and Spanish Royal Families -- Galico ( talk) 17:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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Since she is no longer Queen of Spain due to her husband's abdication, I believe the article should be moved to Sofía of Spain. Impru20 ( talk) 11:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
See Queen Paola of Belgium, for an example of why this article shouldn't be renamed. GoodDay ( talk) 01:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Hola Surtsicna His Majesty's eyes are like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerson10 ( talk • contribs) 23:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Would it be possible to see some sourcing on Queen Sofía's middle names (Margarita Victoria Frederika)? Neither of her siblings have them, and I don't see any other Greek Royals (Philip, Marina, etc.) who have had them. The only ones I have seen with multiple names were hyphenates (Maria-Olympia, Constantine-Alexios). I've also read that you are only allowed to be baptized with one name in the Greek Orthodox church. Just looking to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks! JasonBux ( talk) 20:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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Should the intro to this article begin with Queen Sofía of Spain & the infobox heading be Sofía? or not. GoodDay ( talk) 21:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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@ Vici Vidi:, @ HAL333: & @ AnomalousAtom:, should we then open an RM on this article's title, if it's considered to be wrong? GoodDay ( talk) 14:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hasn't Sofía been given the official title of Queen Mother? Surely some of our users with Greek or Spanish heritage must have seen something on that? SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)