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There is an article for Kapi'olani Medical Center at Pali Momi, there might as well be one for Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women & Children, I don't know much about it, other than I know it was before the Pali Momi one, and it is by Punahou. If you have any good information please add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BillyNair ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be titled "Queen Kapiʻolani" since that is the proper spelling? Other articles have the ʻokina in their title, such as ʻIolani Palace. I believe this entails a "move" and I'm not sure how to do that, but I feel this article title should include the ʻokina. - Etoile ( talk) 06:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Wasnʻt the painting hanging in the Gold Room of ʻIolani Palace painted by Charles Furneaux, not Charles Hasselmann? Jlird808 ( talk) 19:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Did Queen Kapiolani speak English? This seems to say that Liliuokalani went along with Queen Kapiolani as an intepreter. But shouldn't most Hawaiians have known English by the 1880s?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 22:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Her actual Chrisitan name is Esther. She would not have had her name as her motto that just sounds arrogant and highly unlikely. Kulia is Hawaiian for "strive". The confusion is the Kulia was thought to be her name when it was actually only her motto.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 00:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Looking at it further there seems to be no reliable source giving her any other name other than Kapiolani. The earliest source I see calling her Julia Kapiolani dates to 1975 and the name Napelakapuokakae is never used for her other than in sites that are straight copies of this Wikipedia article. Not is there any source for a baptism change of name for either Julia or Esther. .-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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There is a story about how Kapiolani's hair was in the way of the crown and that the king had to jam the crown on her hair. But I can't seem to find an account of this except in Zambucka and Webb's biographies of Kaiulani. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Maile66: It's interesting to note that Liliuokalani's account of the coronation in Hawaii's Story mentions Anglican Reverend Alexander Mackintosh crowning the king while the official account was the king crowned himself after his crown was handed to him by the Chancellor Albert Francis Judd after it passed the hands of Godfrey Rhodes and Prince Kawananakoa respectively. Wonder if this has anything to do with the political erasure of Judd by the queen because of his involvement in the overthrow or just a lapse of her memory? KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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FYI, here is the newspaper account of Kapiolani's state dinner at the White House. — Maile ( talk) 14:00, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Maile66:, can you add the additional information about Kawananakoa and Kuhio here as well? You seem have a good grasp on the details. Thanks. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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There is an article for Kapi'olani Medical Center at Pali Momi, there might as well be one for Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women & Children, I don't know much about it, other than I know it was before the Pali Momi one, and it is by Punahou. If you have any good information please add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BillyNair ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be titled "Queen Kapiʻolani" since that is the proper spelling? Other articles have the ʻokina in their title, such as ʻIolani Palace. I believe this entails a "move" and I'm not sure how to do that, but I feel this article title should include the ʻokina. - Etoile ( talk) 06:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Wasnʻt the painting hanging in the Gold Room of ʻIolani Palace painted by Charles Furneaux, not Charles Hasselmann? Jlird808 ( talk) 19:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Did Queen Kapiolani speak English? This seems to say that Liliuokalani went along with Queen Kapiolani as an intepreter. But shouldn't most Hawaiians have known English by the 1880s?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 22:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Her actual Chrisitan name is Esther. She would not have had her name as her motto that just sounds arrogant and highly unlikely. Kulia is Hawaiian for "strive". The confusion is the Kulia was thought to be her name when it was actually only her motto.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 00:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Looking at it further there seems to be no reliable source giving her any other name other than Kapiolani. The earliest source I see calling her Julia Kapiolani dates to 1975 and the name Napelakapuokakae is never used for her other than in sites that are straight copies of this Wikipedia article. Not is there any source for a baptism change of name for either Julia or Esther. .-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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On February 10, 1883, Kalākaua officially issued
letters patent affirming her in her title as queen and naming her as a “consort”. These acts are signed directly by the king and affirmed by the Privy Council.ref name="1883Patent">
"By Authority". The Pacific Commercial Advertiser. Honolulu. February 17, 1883. Image 5. col. 1. Archived from
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KAVEBEAR (
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02:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a story about how Kapiolani's hair was in the way of the crown and that the king had to jam the crown on her hair. But I can't seem to find an account of this except in Zambucka and Webb's biographies of Kaiulani. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Maile66: It's interesting to note that Liliuokalani's account of the coronation in Hawaii's Story mentions Anglican Reverend Alexander Mackintosh crowning the king while the official account was the king crowned himself after his crown was handed to him by the Chancellor Albert Francis Judd after it passed the hands of Godfrey Rhodes and Prince Kawananakoa respectively. Wonder if this has anything to do with the political erasure of Judd by the queen because of his involvement in the overthrow or just a lapse of her memory? KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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link)One issue about removing queen is the question if Queen Kapiolani is anymore a primary topic for the term Kapiolani than her namesake High Chiefess Kapiolani. In sources using the name as a search term High Chiefess Kapiolani’s prevalence in the sources are no lesser than Queen Kapiolani. Also Kapiolani is currently a disambiguation page. If Queen Kapiolani is indisputably the main Kapiolani of interest than that should be moved to Kapiolani (disambiguation). This should have been done with a move request not a copy and paste. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
FYI, here is the newspaper account of Kapiolani's state dinner at the White House. — Maile ( talk) 14:00, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Maile66:, can you add the additional information about Kawananakoa and Kuhio here as well? You seem have a good grasp on the details. Thanks. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)