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Should there be some mention of the recent allegations coming from the Bush Administration on the supply of weapons and arms to the sectarian war in Iraq? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.24.138.78 ( talk) 16:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
Why don't we dispense with this Wikipedia nonsense about "reliable secondary sources" and just copy our articles from gubmint press releases? Keith McClary ( talk) 18:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Someone added two things to this article that seem to indicate slight misunderstandings of the Qods Force. Iranians are Shiites and Persians and hence the Qods Forece is MAINLY interested in helping Shiite Islamists. Iranians are primarily Shiite and the government of Iran is a Shiite government. They may, in limited circumstances help Sunnis (like Iran giving a small amount of money to the Palestinian Authority when other foreign donors were not) but they particularly focus on Shiite groups. They often work against Sunni Arabs (like the Hezbollah in Saudi Arabia that was responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing. They often help Shiite minorities in Sunni countries. In conclusion, Iran and its government and military are neither, for the most part, Arabs nor Sunnis. They often work against Sunni Arabs interests.
should the main name of article be quds force or qods force? Farmanesh 19:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user has changed the main task of the Quds Force from covert and special operations to "exporting the Iranian Revolution to other countries". Since the user did in fact put in a source, I'm a hesitated to change it. Can someone varify this? -- Soetermans 08:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
An IP editor 71.197.138.180, has inserted an amazing amount of POV edits into the article, and reverts any edit to neutralize the article: [1]
examples:
It is amazing that one single article manages to ignore every single wiki policy I can think of, yet any attempt of neutralization seems to be rejected by this person. Until we can come up with an agreement with this person, the tags will remain.-- Gerash 77 02:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
71.197.138.180: To clarify why I tagged the page, lets review the wording and sources for the very first lines of the article. I hope we can then come to a general agreement, as to whether the page needs neutralization or not.
The Quds Force in full English Jerusalem Force, is a special unit of Iran's Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (often called "revolutionary guards" in the west). Quds is the Arabic word for Jerusalem. The primary mission of the Jerusalem Force is to organize, train, equip, and finance foreign Islamic revolutionary movements. The force is tasked with exporting Iran’s Islamic revolution to other countries. [1] Although the Quds Force mainly provides support to Shi‘ite groups like Hezbollah, the Mahdi Army, and the Badr Organization, it also helps Sunni Islamist groups like Hamas. [2] [3] The Quds Force maintains and builds contacts with underground Islamic militant organizations throughout the Arab World. [4] It also collects global strategic and military intelligence, possibly having operatives in the United States. The Quds Force reports directly to the Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. [5] [6] Its current commander is Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani. Because its operations are secret, little is known about the history of the Jerusalem Force. According to an Iranian resistance group, the Jerusalem Force was originally called the Lebanon Corps, and was responsible for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing. [7] This became Quds Force in 1990, when a variety of Iranian intelligence and foreign agencies were merged to form a new extraterritorial force. The first commander was also the former head of the Intelligence Directorate of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi. [7]
Lets look at the citations to see whether it passes for general policies of citing references on wikipedia WP:CITE:
So lets review. Among the cited statements, the only verifiable one in these few lines is "The Quds Force reports directly to the Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei." Hence the tag: Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute Further more there are much WP:OR such as: the Quds Force mainly provides support to Shi‘ite groups like Hezbollah, the Mahdi Army, and the Badr Organization.
The case for neutrality is easily observable from above, and identification of NCRI as an amazingly POV term: "Iranian resistance group"
Seeing an incredible number of problems with these very few introductory sentences, I hope you admit there is a strong factuality and POV problem with this article, so that I can move with fixing the article without your reverts. Until the article has been fully repaired, per wikipedia's tagging policies, the tags must remain.
P.S. I am not sure what are you referring to in your point {3}, I think you have mistaken me for another editor-- Gerash 77 05:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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As you have failed to discuss the issues on this talk page, per issues noted on " #A review", I will remove the statements that does not adhere to the policies of wikipedia. Note that one should not add WP:LIBEL statements about organizations or individuals, unless he/she has a reliable source to back it up.
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Removed because of lack of proper citations. Please add once
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Thanks-- Gerash 77 06:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear 71.197.138.180: As I stated before, if a reliable source say "MKO says so", then its noteworthy and can be included in the article by saying "MKO says so", not the way you state it - as a fact. NCRI/MKO has stated many false propaganda, and it is noteworthy only if a reliable source quotes them as well. In any case, it seems you have accepted problems with some of the refs:
Removed Weekly Standard - Advocacy journalism
Removed statement with undefined ref
Are you claiming that Iranian leaders don' want the Islamic Revolution spread abroad?
That is what they claim, and must be included in the article, as much as the other side claims otherwise.
Best.-- Gerash 77 04:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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Honestly, can people stop editing Wikipedia articles in the name of their special interest group. I am so sick of Iranians, Greeks, or whatever editing article about their particular ethnic group out of ethnic pride. Wikipedia is not about enhancing the image of anyone's "tribe." Iran is a great country with an even greater history. That doesn't mean ethnic Iranians who immigrated to the West have to be apologists for the current government and forign policy of the country. If groups like the FAS say that the Quds Force makes contacts and organizes groups in countries, they have no particular bias (they are LIBERAL Americans who aren't nationalistic) and are a reputable source. They are at least as reputable as Iranian regime sources. Please be honest, not an advocate for your ethnic group. Iran has a religious ideology and wants to support Shiite groups in Muslim countries. They only reason you deny it is to protect your special interest group, even though the policies of the current Iranian regime doesn't say anything about the greatness of Iran. If you want an example of what I am talking about: look at the article on the battle of Thermopylae in Wikipedia. You see two interst groupsm Greeks and Persians going at it out of pride to make their ethnic group look "cool." Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.51.146 ( talk) 00:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
ABU BAKER USED TO GO TO AL-QUDS EVERYDAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.203.134.149 ( talk) 02:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
do you say ipa kuːdz koods? ipa kʊdz, Kudz? ipa kʊʌdz Qu-udz?
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Iran is open about who they support and who they don't, they have made it clear on several occasions that they do not support the Houthi rebels but foreign actors attempt to associate Iran with the Houthis. I believe that the the Quds Force for the Houthis shouldn't be included in this article until Iran admits they support them or cold-hard evidence is presented. KhakePakeVatan ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
shouldn't c0rrect translation be corps? Baratiiman ( talk) 09:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Should there be some mention of the recent allegations coming from the Bush Administration on the supply of weapons and arms to the sectarian war in Iraq? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.24.138.78 ( talk) 16:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
Why don't we dispense with this Wikipedia nonsense about "reliable secondary sources" and just copy our articles from gubmint press releases? Keith McClary ( talk) 18:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Someone added two things to this article that seem to indicate slight misunderstandings of the Qods Force. Iranians are Shiites and Persians and hence the Qods Forece is MAINLY interested in helping Shiite Islamists. Iranians are primarily Shiite and the government of Iran is a Shiite government. They may, in limited circumstances help Sunnis (like Iran giving a small amount of money to the Palestinian Authority when other foreign donors were not) but they particularly focus on Shiite groups. They often work against Sunni Arabs (like the Hezbollah in Saudi Arabia that was responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing. They often help Shiite minorities in Sunni countries. In conclusion, Iran and its government and military are neither, for the most part, Arabs nor Sunnis. They often work against Sunni Arabs interests.
should the main name of article be quds force or qods force? Farmanesh 19:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user has changed the main task of the Quds Force from covert and special operations to "exporting the Iranian Revolution to other countries". Since the user did in fact put in a source, I'm a hesitated to change it. Can someone varify this? -- Soetermans 08:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
An IP editor 71.197.138.180, has inserted an amazing amount of POV edits into the article, and reverts any edit to neutralize the article: [1]
examples:
It is amazing that one single article manages to ignore every single wiki policy I can think of, yet any attempt of neutralization seems to be rejected by this person. Until we can come up with an agreement with this person, the tags will remain.-- Gerash 77 02:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
71.197.138.180: To clarify why I tagged the page, lets review the wording and sources for the very first lines of the article. I hope we can then come to a general agreement, as to whether the page needs neutralization or not.
The Quds Force in full English Jerusalem Force, is a special unit of Iran's Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (often called "revolutionary guards" in the west). Quds is the Arabic word for Jerusalem. The primary mission of the Jerusalem Force is to organize, train, equip, and finance foreign Islamic revolutionary movements. The force is tasked with exporting Iran’s Islamic revolution to other countries. [1] Although the Quds Force mainly provides support to Shi‘ite groups like Hezbollah, the Mahdi Army, and the Badr Organization, it also helps Sunni Islamist groups like Hamas. [2] [3] The Quds Force maintains and builds contacts with underground Islamic militant organizations throughout the Arab World. [4] It also collects global strategic and military intelligence, possibly having operatives in the United States. The Quds Force reports directly to the Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. [5] [6] Its current commander is Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani. Because its operations are secret, little is known about the history of the Jerusalem Force. According to an Iranian resistance group, the Jerusalem Force was originally called the Lebanon Corps, and was responsible for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing. [7] This became Quds Force in 1990, when a variety of Iranian intelligence and foreign agencies were merged to form a new extraterritorial force. The first commander was also the former head of the Intelligence Directorate of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi. [7]
Lets look at the citations to see whether it passes for general policies of citing references on wikipedia WP:CITE:
So lets review. Among the cited statements, the only verifiable one in these few lines is "The Quds Force reports directly to the Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei." Hence the tag: Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute Further more there are much WP:OR such as: the Quds Force mainly provides support to Shi‘ite groups like Hezbollah, the Mahdi Army, and the Badr Organization.
The case for neutrality is easily observable from above, and identification of NCRI as an amazingly POV term: "Iranian resistance group"
Seeing an incredible number of problems with these very few introductory sentences, I hope you admit there is a strong factuality and POV problem with this article, so that I can move with fixing the article without your reverts. Until the article has been fully repaired, per wikipedia's tagging policies, the tags must remain.
P.S. I am not sure what are you referring to in your point {3}, I think you have mistaken me for another editor-- Gerash 77 05:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
References
FAS
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Obviously it is inappropriate to remove tags when there is a dispute over the article's contents. Also, at first glance, I can see that the 'al-Qaeda' section may be inappropriate. While it is good that the attribution is clear, even presenting the speculation from a severely partisan magazine is undue weight as it is a dubious fringe theory. I suggest that the section be removed. The Behnam 23:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear 71.197.138.180:
As you have failed to discuss the issues on this talk page, per issues noted on " #A review", I will remove the statements that does not adhere to the policies of wikipedia. Note that one should not add WP:LIBEL statements about organizations or individuals, unless he/she has a reliable source to back it up.
Thank you.-- Gerash 77 04:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Removed because of lack of proper citations. Please add once
reliable source are found:
Thanks-- Gerash 77 06:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear 71.197.138.180: As I stated before, if a reliable source say "MKO says so", then its noteworthy and can be included in the article by saying "MKO says so", not the way you state it - as a fact. NCRI/MKO has stated many false propaganda, and it is noteworthy only if a reliable source quotes them as well. In any case, it seems you have accepted problems with some of the refs:
Removed Weekly Standard - Advocacy journalism
Removed statement with undefined ref
Are you claiming that Iranian leaders don' want the Islamic Revolution spread abroad?
That is what they claim, and must be included in the article, as much as the other side claims otherwise.
Best.-- Gerash 77 04:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
References
Honestly, can people stop editing Wikipedia articles in the name of their special interest group. I am so sick of Iranians, Greeks, or whatever editing article about their particular ethnic group out of ethnic pride. Wikipedia is not about enhancing the image of anyone's "tribe." Iran is a great country with an even greater history. That doesn't mean ethnic Iranians who immigrated to the West have to be apologists for the current government and forign policy of the country. If groups like the FAS say that the Quds Force makes contacts and organizes groups in countries, they have no particular bias (they are LIBERAL Americans who aren't nationalistic) and are a reputable source. They are at least as reputable as Iranian regime sources. Please be honest, not an advocate for your ethnic group. Iran has a religious ideology and wants to support Shiite groups in Muslim countries. They only reason you deny it is to protect your special interest group, even though the policies of the current Iranian regime doesn't say anything about the greatness of Iran. If you want an example of what I am talking about: look at the article on the battle of Thermopylae in Wikipedia. You see two interst groupsm Greeks and Persians going at it out of pride to make their ethnic group look "cool." Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.51.146 ( talk) 00:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
ABU BAKER USED TO GO TO AL-QUDS EVERYDAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.203.134.149 ( talk) 02:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
do you say ipa kuːdz koods? ipa kʊdz, Kudz? ipa kʊʌdz Qu-udz?
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Iran is open about who they support and who they don't, they have made it clear on several occasions that they do not support the Houthi rebels but foreign actors attempt to associate Iran with the Houthis. I believe that the the Quds Force for the Houthis shouldn't be included in this article until Iran admits they support them or cold-hard evidence is presented. KhakePakeVatan ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
shouldn't c0rrect translation be corps? Baratiiman ( talk) 09:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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