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I have never seen the term "Punk Rock" used in the punk subculture in the 1980ies and 1990ies, neither in a conversation, nor in fanzines or books. Case in point is this article in the Encyclopedia Britannica by John Savage, who should know a thing or two about punk.
The first time I became aware of the term "punk rock" was as a derogatory reference to mainstream bands like Green Day and Blink-123 that were not considered in any way related to a punk lifestyle. At least that is the situation in Europe (including the UK). As the article states, the term "punk rock" was a label attached by "rock critics" (i.e. outsiders), so I think that the term used by the people within that specific subculture should take preference.
I am curious what the process is for suggesting renaming an article, which wikipedia guidelines are relevant here, so that I figure out how to contribute to that.
2.203.158.238 ( talk) 07:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
-- Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey all. While expanding David Bowie's Diamond Dogs article, I have found quite a few sources, notably punknews.org, that consider this album as having a major impact on punk rock, including bands like the Sex Pistols. Yet, I'm surprised that this album is not mentioned once in this entire article, considering a few of Bowie's biographers, and other online sources, have argued its influence on punk. I'm obviously not saying Diamond Dogs directly created punk, but I am wondering if anyone who worked on this page would have any input on this subject, and whether or not there should be a sentence or two about Diamond Dogs in this article? Thanks! – zmbro ( talk) 18:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
I am wondering how an article can be a a featured article even though it has no inline sources cited in the first few paragraphs. -- Pgapunk ( talk) 01:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040410111708/https://thslone.tripod.com/Punk-bibliography.html
I was wondering if the band Pure Hell might merit a mention in the article. They were a pioneering black punk band who were right there in mid-70s vanguard. The only problem may be that there hasn't been a ton written about them. There are a few articles out there. Should we? Garagepunk66 ( talk) 06:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I created an account just to comment on this. I feel the band, Death should also be mentioned here. They’re another all black punk band. The 3 brothers were playing in 1974 and recorded an album in 1975. Cadidevil ( talk) 18:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
I've linked all relevant names and bands in the Suggested viewing section even if linked above. I think exceptions to the rule about redundancy are allowed - I did it because some readers might not think of clicking links until they get to this section, thus not needing to search above again, or they might jump to this section to begin with. -- Pete Best Beatles ( talk) 07:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone want to discuss adding Sid and Nancy, Jubilee, and The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle to the Suggested viewing section? It's not called Suggested documentaries, right? They'd certainly be appropriate if the article includes punk culture, as opposed to just punk music. -- Pete Best Beatles ( talk) 11:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC) s
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Punk rock I normally say that there is no right/wrong answer when the genre is in question, but Punk Rock seems overwhelming. This RFC appears to be in two places. North8000 ( talk) 20:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Punk is a very wide genre but I think most punk rockers would say a few bands could be used.
I'm biased as every person is so I will exclude artists like the Sex Pistols, Casualties, etc.
Here is a short list of bands that I believe could be used:
Bad Religion, Millions of Dead Cops, The Dead Milkmen, Black Flag, Germs, Dead Kennedy's, Ramones, Iggy Pop / The Stooges / The Losers, Blink-182, Bad Cop Bad Cop, Circle Jerks, and NOFX.
I feel that Bad Religion, Ramones, or Iggy Pop could be used over the others but each of these bands / artists are important in their own right. ThyOfThee ( talk) 16:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
The article currently states "In October 1976, the Damned released the first UK punk rock band single, 'New Rose'" and cites a Guardian article that incorrectly attributes the origin of the term "punk rock" to Caroline Coon. The term predates her writing about the Damned (or other UK bands) in 1976 by 6 years, as attested to elsewhere in this entry. How one could define a single as being the very first UK punk single is unclear, especially since the Damned's release was not marketed as such initially---its dubious honor being awarded much later. That aside, if one were to measure purely on the style of the record, the description is still dubious: "New Rose" was produced by Nick Lowe for Stiff Records, who release Nick Lowe's self produced single "So It Goes" two months earlier. The B side of that record, "Heart of the City" is a blue print in production and chord structure for the "New Rose". Seems like this dubious title ought to go to that record. But better yet, this unfactual title, given to the record years after its release, should just be removed. 2001:A61:3017:E001:2C4D:ECB6:CB6B:64C3 ( talk) 03:54, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Recobben2: please fill in a citation for the empty ref you named "s&s 550". -- Fyrael ( talk) 22:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
[8]. 197.87.135.242 ( talk) 14:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Someone put in a quote which suggested that the spread of "new wave" in the US coincided with the election of Thatcher as PM, and deleted the reference to MTV. While the quote may be factual, i.e. "new wave" did happen at about the same time that Thatcher's party won, I must express some skepticism as to the value in inclusion of said statement in an WP article that would suggest causality. In fact, I strongly suspect, but don't have any time to research the authoritative source, that MTV did have a significant role in exposing youths of America to music their local top 40 station was not playing. I would also suggest that the Conservatives being in the majority in the UK Parliament may not have had quite the same impact on musical tastes. Unless there is significant reason to keep this statement, I will revert the page back to suggesting MTV's role... DrKC MD ( talk) 21:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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I have never seen the term "Punk Rock" used in the punk subculture in the 1980ies and 1990ies, neither in a conversation, nor in fanzines or books. Case in point is this article in the Encyclopedia Britannica by John Savage, who should know a thing or two about punk.
The first time I became aware of the term "punk rock" was as a derogatory reference to mainstream bands like Green Day and Blink-123 that were not considered in any way related to a punk lifestyle. At least that is the situation in Europe (including the UK). As the article states, the term "punk rock" was a label attached by "rock critics" (i.e. outsiders), so I think that the term used by the people within that specific subculture should take preference.
I am curious what the process is for suggesting renaming an article, which wikipedia guidelines are relevant here, so that I figure out how to contribute to that.
2.203.158.238 ( talk) 07:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
-- Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey all. While expanding David Bowie's Diamond Dogs article, I have found quite a few sources, notably punknews.org, that consider this album as having a major impact on punk rock, including bands like the Sex Pistols. Yet, I'm surprised that this album is not mentioned once in this entire article, considering a few of Bowie's biographers, and other online sources, have argued its influence on punk. I'm obviously not saying Diamond Dogs directly created punk, but I am wondering if anyone who worked on this page would have any input on this subject, and whether or not there should be a sentence or two about Diamond Dogs in this article? Thanks! – zmbro ( talk) 18:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
I am wondering how an article can be a a featured article even though it has no inline sources cited in the first few paragraphs. -- Pgapunk ( talk) 01:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040410111708/https://thslone.tripod.com/Punk-bibliography.html
I was wondering if the band Pure Hell might merit a mention in the article. They were a pioneering black punk band who were right there in mid-70s vanguard. The only problem may be that there hasn't been a ton written about them. There are a few articles out there. Should we? Garagepunk66 ( talk) 06:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I created an account just to comment on this. I feel the band, Death should also be mentioned here. They’re another all black punk band. The 3 brothers were playing in 1974 and recorded an album in 1975. Cadidevil ( talk) 18:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
I've linked all relevant names and bands in the Suggested viewing section even if linked above. I think exceptions to the rule about redundancy are allowed - I did it because some readers might not think of clicking links until they get to this section, thus not needing to search above again, or they might jump to this section to begin with. -- Pete Best Beatles ( talk) 07:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone want to discuss adding Sid and Nancy, Jubilee, and The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle to the Suggested viewing section? It's not called Suggested documentaries, right? They'd certainly be appropriate if the article includes punk culture, as opposed to just punk music. -- Pete Best Beatles ( talk) 11:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC) s
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Should the lead say "The Offspring is an American
rock band" or "The Offspring is an American
punk rock band"? Sincerely,
Key of G Minor. Tools: (
talk,
contribs) 16:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Punk rock I normally say that there is no right/wrong answer when the genre is in question, but Punk Rock seems overwhelming. This RFC appears to be in two places. North8000 ( talk) 20:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Punk is a very wide genre but I think most punk rockers would say a few bands could be used.
I'm biased as every person is so I will exclude artists like the Sex Pistols, Casualties, etc.
Here is a short list of bands that I believe could be used:
Bad Religion, Millions of Dead Cops, The Dead Milkmen, Black Flag, Germs, Dead Kennedy's, Ramones, Iggy Pop / The Stooges / The Losers, Blink-182, Bad Cop Bad Cop, Circle Jerks, and NOFX.
I feel that Bad Religion, Ramones, or Iggy Pop could be used over the others but each of these bands / artists are important in their own right. ThyOfThee ( talk) 16:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
The article currently states "In October 1976, the Damned released the first UK punk rock band single, 'New Rose'" and cites a Guardian article that incorrectly attributes the origin of the term "punk rock" to Caroline Coon. The term predates her writing about the Damned (or other UK bands) in 1976 by 6 years, as attested to elsewhere in this entry. How one could define a single as being the very first UK punk single is unclear, especially since the Damned's release was not marketed as such initially---its dubious honor being awarded much later. That aside, if one were to measure purely on the style of the record, the description is still dubious: "New Rose" was produced by Nick Lowe for Stiff Records, who release Nick Lowe's self produced single "So It Goes" two months earlier. The B side of that record, "Heart of the City" is a blue print in production and chord structure for the "New Rose". Seems like this dubious title ought to go to that record. But better yet, this unfactual title, given to the record years after its release, should just be removed. 2001:A61:3017:E001:2C4D:ECB6:CB6B:64C3 ( talk) 03:54, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Recobben2: please fill in a citation for the empty ref you named "s&s 550". -- Fyrael ( talk) 22:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
[8]. 197.87.135.242 ( talk) 14:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Someone put in a quote which suggested that the spread of "new wave" in the US coincided with the election of Thatcher as PM, and deleted the reference to MTV. While the quote may be factual, i.e. "new wave" did happen at about the same time that Thatcher's party won, I must express some skepticism as to the value in inclusion of said statement in an WP article that would suggest causality. In fact, I strongly suspect, but don't have any time to research the authoritative source, that MTV did have a significant role in exposing youths of America to music their local top 40 station was not playing. I would also suggest that the Conservatives being in the majority in the UK Parliament may not have had quite the same impact on musical tastes. Unless there is significant reason to keep this statement, I will revert the page back to suggesting MTV's role... DrKC MD ( talk) 21:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)