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First, the issue of Trikora or Mandala being higher came up before at
Talk:Seven Second Summits#List may be incorrect. We made the changes in all related articles based on the best sources we had at the time, which by the way, all of which are already cited in this article. Note that another editor is still in the process confirming these facts conclusively.
Secondly, as for the ice caps and glaciers, a while back I noticed a discussion on a talk page somewhere about when the ice caps in this region may have disappeared and if they have in fact disappeared. I remember there being a problem with reliable sources failing to confirm what the editors suspected to be true. I can't remember what talk page that was though. The mountains in this area of the world are notorious for not having a great deal of reliable information out there for them.
Thanks, I looked up on some sites and it says that glaciers and icecaps disappeared from all mountains except for the ones on the mountain of Puncak Jaya
WanderingE1000 (
talk)
00:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Your welcome. You will also notice I have placed the inline citations for your section. I will now give you this opportunity to paraphase the section in your own words if you like. We really shouldn't verbatim regurgitate large sections of material from our sources as that could be a copyright violation. If you are not comfortable with this I can give it shot myself. --
RacerX11Talk to meStalk me00:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Are these sites considered reliable sources? Peak Bagging appears to be a kind of Wiki/IMDB website. is that right? --
Merbabu (
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01:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes, all the sources cited in this article are considered reliable sources and they are used extensively in mountain related articles. They are not wikis or anything like that. The website and the lists are compiled by individuals with access to large amounts of data. In Peaklist's case they use detailed topographic maps and SRTM data analysis as their primary sources. That's the short answer. Note that they are not perfect either. They do contain some errors, but a very small percentage of the information contained in them is suspect. Considering how much data is there... alot! btw...the error rate is acceptable imo. In cases where the data is suspicious, we try to find other sources that refute their data. I have done precisely this before, but like I said, it's pretty rare. Sometimes they are all we got. You are not the first person who has doubted the reliability of Peakbagger and Peaklist, but I vouch for them for whatever that's worth. Hope this answers your question. --
RacerX11Talk to meStalk me01:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
OK cheers - a very thorough answer. It's not that I have any reason to doubt it, rather I am questioning it based on ignorance. lol cheers --
Merbabu (
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01:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
This article is part of WikiProject Mountains, a project to systematically present
information on mountains. If you would like to participate, you can choose to edit the article attached to this page (see
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Indonesia and
Indonesia-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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First, the issue of Trikora or Mandala being higher came up before at
Talk:Seven Second Summits#List may be incorrect. We made the changes in all related articles based on the best sources we had at the time, which by the way, all of which are already cited in this article. Note that another editor is still in the process confirming these facts conclusively.
Secondly, as for the ice caps and glaciers, a while back I noticed a discussion on a talk page somewhere about when the ice caps in this region may have disappeared and if they have in fact disappeared. I remember there being a problem with reliable sources failing to confirm what the editors suspected to be true. I can't remember what talk page that was though. The mountains in this area of the world are notorious for not having a great deal of reliable information out there for them.
Thanks, I looked up on some sites and it says that glaciers and icecaps disappeared from all mountains except for the ones on the mountain of Puncak Jaya
WanderingE1000 (
talk)
00:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Your welcome. You will also notice I have placed the inline citations for your section. I will now give you this opportunity to paraphase the section in your own words if you like. We really shouldn't verbatim regurgitate large sections of material from our sources as that could be a copyright violation. If you are not comfortable with this I can give it shot myself. --
RacerX11Talk to meStalk me00:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Are these sites considered reliable sources? Peak Bagging appears to be a kind of Wiki/IMDB website. is that right? --
Merbabu (
talk)
01:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes, all the sources cited in this article are considered reliable sources and they are used extensively in mountain related articles. They are not wikis or anything like that. The website and the lists are compiled by individuals with access to large amounts of data. In Peaklist's case they use detailed topographic maps and SRTM data analysis as their primary sources. That's the short answer. Note that they are not perfect either. They do contain some errors, but a very small percentage of the information contained in them is suspect. Considering how much data is there... alot! btw...the error rate is acceptable imo. In cases where the data is suspicious, we try to find other sources that refute their data. I have done precisely this before, but like I said, it's pretty rare. Sometimes they are all we got. You are not the first person who has doubted the reliability of Peakbagger and Peaklist, but I vouch for them for whatever that's worth. Hope this answers your question. --
RacerX11Talk to meStalk me01:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
OK cheers - a very thorough answer. It's not that I have any reason to doubt it, rather I am questioning it based on ignorance. lol cheers --
Merbabu (
talk)
01:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply