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This is a fantastic article, but is anyone willing to contact the various Pumpkin Festivals to find out the full names and years of their various past pumpkin queens so that we can flesh out the list? -- 164.107.92.120 03:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I have to say "my" with caution, because I'm using a university computer that others use and so not every Wikipedia edit used with this IP is necessarily mine, but in any case the addition of the web site, which is not mine and which I was suprised to see, strengthens the article's claim that pumpkin queens exist in fiction, as otherwise the article only cited Sally as an example. Two examples just makes the claim much stronger. Second, the Danbury festival is something that I've so far come across on the ebay sale and so I'm not citing ebay to get people to make some purchase, but to reinforce the article's claim that pumpkin queens exist at many, many festivals and that people even sell photos of them. None of this is vulgar or inappropriate and nor is it self-promoting, because I have no relationship with these links. Thanks to 17...whatever (another anonymous editor) for restoring this information. Happy New Year! -- 164.107.92.120 00:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone find a citable source for the assertion that "many fans" refer to Sally as the pumpkin queen? It appears twice; once in the introductiory paragraph and once in the main image caption. I've never heard of anyone referring to the character in this way. I'd like to see a source or else it's OR as far as I'm concerned. - Tenmiles 06:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of external links, and the massive list of links at the end of the article was just that. I recommend checking out dmoz.org if you want to add links. The list of pumpkin festival winners was unacceptable, as the individual notability of those events has not been established. Further, as explained above, the material that was "referenced" needs to held to reliable sources. Just because a few fans say something doesn't mean it belongs in the article. -- Eyrian 16:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
So, what is this article about? The uses of the term "pumpkin queen" seem to be rather varied. The book concerns a girl who enters a pumpkin at a festival, but she herself has nothing to do with a beauty pageant as far as I can tell. The scope of the article needs to be clearly defined. -- Eyrian 18:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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Please do not vandalize this page any further. You are unilaterally deleting content, including official website links and such reliable sources as CNN! You are misrepresenting changes as well. I have requested feedback from another admin, so you can stop edit warring on this one. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 17:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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Summarized, User:Eyrian is right in every way. I will explain my position briefly and hopefully clearly.
Some of these shows are indeed notable, as they have been featured on CNN etc. That is why they have their own page, and list the pumpkin queens there. Perfectly fine. However, some of the other shows are not notable - they have not been covered by reliable sources, and do not have their own page. Some forum posts and self-published websites writing about them does not establish notability.
Using deviantart, fanfiction and flickr as sources is not allowed.1
1: Unless, per WP:RS, the author of the work is an expert, who has also had his work published by independent publishers, discussing his field of study - then self-published work is allowed. This does not apply here.
The fundamentally unsourced parts of the article containing lists of queens of non-notable festivals should therefore be removed. However, do list the festivals. Why? Completeness. When three festivals have been covered by reliable sources, making a list of other festivals is perfectly fine. Do not get into details - just list the names. To further illustrate this, the general rule is that if a few (say, three) entries in a list have been covered in a non-trivial way by reliable sources, it is fine to make a list of the rest of them. For example, in model trains, if three trains in the "Supertrain" series had been covered by the Times in an article specifically about each train (a miniseries?), listing the rest of that series would be good, required even. Do apply common sense - if the series contained three hundred instead of ten trains, for example.
In this case, a list of the largest pumpkin festivals - without any details such as the winners back to 1903 - would be fine. -- User:Krator ( t c) 19:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Durova made the folloiwng suggestion. Is her suggestion different than the third opinion? Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 19:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I added the following image, which should fulfill the diagram request previously posted on this talk page. If anyone can size it or position it better, feel free to do so. Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 16:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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While DYK checker would say it wasn't 5x expanded, the article before the nominator's work was basically a list of festivals, and the prose of the article has been greatly expanded to meet this requirement.
The source for ALT0 is from 1981, so there is no verification that they are still selecting a Miss Pumpkin Seed. The source for ALT1 states the "Circleville Pumpkin Show is the oldest and largest food festival in Ohio" but I could not find where it says that it is the oldest pumpkin show with a Miss Pumpkin contest specifically. These hooks and the article should be edited to reflect the information in the sources.
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This is a fantastic article, but is anyone willing to contact the various Pumpkin Festivals to find out the full names and years of their various past pumpkin queens so that we can flesh out the list? -- 164.107.92.120 03:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I have to say "my" with caution, because I'm using a university computer that others use and so not every Wikipedia edit used with this IP is necessarily mine, but in any case the addition of the web site, which is not mine and which I was suprised to see, strengthens the article's claim that pumpkin queens exist in fiction, as otherwise the article only cited Sally as an example. Two examples just makes the claim much stronger. Second, the Danbury festival is something that I've so far come across on the ebay sale and so I'm not citing ebay to get people to make some purchase, but to reinforce the article's claim that pumpkin queens exist at many, many festivals and that people even sell photos of them. None of this is vulgar or inappropriate and nor is it self-promoting, because I have no relationship with these links. Thanks to 17...whatever (another anonymous editor) for restoring this information. Happy New Year! -- 164.107.92.120 00:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone find a citable source for the assertion that "many fans" refer to Sally as the pumpkin queen? It appears twice; once in the introductiory paragraph and once in the main image caption. I've never heard of anyone referring to the character in this way. I'd like to see a source or else it's OR as far as I'm concerned. - Tenmiles 06:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of external links, and the massive list of links at the end of the article was just that. I recommend checking out dmoz.org if you want to add links. The list of pumpkin festival winners was unacceptable, as the individual notability of those events has not been established. Further, as explained above, the material that was "referenced" needs to held to reliable sources. Just because a few fans say something doesn't mean it belongs in the article. -- Eyrian 16:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
So, what is this article about? The uses of the term "pumpkin queen" seem to be rather varied. The book concerns a girl who enters a pumpkin at a festival, but she herself has nothing to do with a beauty pageant as far as I can tell. The scope of the article needs to be clearly defined. -- Eyrian 18:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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Please do not vandalize this page any further. You are unilaterally deleting content, including official website links and such reliable sources as CNN! You are misrepresenting changes as well. I have requested feedback from another admin, so you can stop edit warring on this one. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 17:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
A third opinion on this dispute was requested at Wikipedia:Third opinion. I am reluctant to provide a third opinion on a user talk page, because it usually gets lost in archiving, and the dispute might arise again after some time. I encourage you to move this discussion to the talk page of the relevant article.
Summarized, User:Eyrian is right in every way. I will explain my position briefly and hopefully clearly.
Some of these shows are indeed notable, as they have been featured on CNN etc. That is why they have their own page, and list the pumpkin queens there. Perfectly fine. However, some of the other shows are not notable - they have not been covered by reliable sources, and do not have their own page. Some forum posts and self-published websites writing about them does not establish notability.
Using deviantart, fanfiction and flickr as sources is not allowed.1
1: Unless, per WP:RS, the author of the work is an expert, who has also had his work published by independent publishers, discussing his field of study - then self-published work is allowed. This does not apply here.
The fundamentally unsourced parts of the article containing lists of queens of non-notable festivals should therefore be removed. However, do list the festivals. Why? Completeness. When three festivals have been covered by reliable sources, making a list of other festivals is perfectly fine. Do not get into details - just list the names. To further illustrate this, the general rule is that if a few (say, three) entries in a list have been covered in a non-trivial way by reliable sources, it is fine to make a list of the rest of them. For example, in model trains, if three trains in the "Supertrain" series had been covered by the Times in an article specifically about each train (a miniseries?), listing the rest of that series would be good, required even. Do apply common sense - if the series contained three hundred instead of ten trains, for example.
In this case, a list of the largest pumpkin festivals - without any details such as the winners back to 1903 - would be fine. -- User:Krator ( t c) 19:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Durova made the folloiwng suggestion. Is her suggestion different than the third opinion? Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 19:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I added the following image, which should fulfill the diagram request previously posted on this talk page. If anyone can size it or position it better, feel free to do so. Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 16:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
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5x expanded by Lightburst ( talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Pumpkin queen; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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While DYK checker would say it wasn't 5x expanded, the article before the nominator's work was basically a list of festivals, and the prose of the article has been greatly expanded to meet this requirement.
The source for ALT0 is from 1981, so there is no verification that they are still selecting a Miss Pumpkin Seed. The source for ALT1 states the "Circleville Pumpkin Show is the oldest and largest food festival in Ohio" but I could not find where it says that it is the oldest pumpkin show with a Miss Pumpkin contest specifically. These hooks and the article should be edited to reflect the information in the sources.
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