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Is it just me, or does this article have a little liberal bias?? 207.5.151.219 ( talk) 02:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
This article never defines what "public option" is or means. The Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates survey http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM41_topline_report_-_aarp_health_care_poll_final_v2.pdf says: "III. In spite of months of coverage and the increasing volume of public discussion on health care reform, the American public has a limited understanding of what’s happening in Congress. Very few (only 37%) are able to correctly define the term “public option,” even when given only 3 options to choose from. (That’s nearly the equivalent probability that one would expect if everyone were just guessing.)" Can someone tell us what it is, or is someone trying to hide something? Thank you. 76.175.97.243 ( talk) 03:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree with the first comment. This page does not answer the question: what does "public option" mean? MWYada ( talk) 16:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)Mike
What needs to be said... Taking business way from the private sector is not the only issue Republicans and Conservatives have with the health care bill. They are concerned about how much it is going to cost the American People in the long run. These days everything is at its wits end and a health care bill with or with out a public option is not what we need to be discussing at the moment. Yes, health can be reformed, but America needs to take care of their debt first. Even if the bill is passed, it would be years before any action would be taken. For example: Car for Clunkers cost the taxpayer over $20,000 per car sold. Providing health care is a state issue not a federal issue. 11/06/09 EmG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.118.233 ( talk) 18:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
That "America needs to take care of their debt first" is your opinion. It does not need "to be said" in an encyclopedia. 90% of the national debt is owed to Americans so it is debatable whether it really that big of a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.42.233 ( talk) 21:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but the point is that the vast majority of the U.S. national debt is owned by Americans, either private citizens or intragovernmental holdings. It is a common myth that the national debt is how much USA owes other countries. End of discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.217.220 ( talk) 10:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I read somewhere that the public option would offer premiums 10-20% below private insurance industry averages. If true, this is a far cry from what most people seem to think - that the public option would be dirt cheap. How is an unemployed individual, who is no longer receiving unemployment money, supposed to some up with such an amount? If you have any information (that can be cited) on either the expected premiums or plans for those who still wouldn't be able to afford them, please post it. 209.255.33.150 ( talk) 15:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
People who are unemployed or below the poverty level are already covered on medicare. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.37.177.47 ( talk) 00:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Most polls have showed significantly higher approval of the public option than the polls chosen for inclusion in this article. 75.76.213.106 ( talk) 00:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The IBD/TIPP poll referenced in the article is loaded with anomolies that aren't referenced in this article. You can say what you want about the political leanings of Nate Silver, but he deconstructs that particular poll in an unbiased fashion here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/ibdtipp-doctors-poll-is-not-trustworthy.html 192.88.212.43 ( talk) 14:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
" ... A single-payer system has been largely dismissed as politically infeasible ... "
Unless someone can find more data/references than a quote from one person, namely Laurence Baker, on this conjecture, I will remove this unsupported conjecture.
In that very same article referenced, it's says, " ... Some statistics show the single-payer concept has grown in popularity as problems in the nation's health care system have worsened. A CBS News/New York Times poll conducted in January found 59 percent of the 1,112 people surveyed said they supported government-provided national health insurance. ... " & " ... While not supported by the American Medical Association, a nationalized health system got the backing of 59 percent of physicians in a poll published last year in the Annals of Internal Medicine. ... "
If anything, the article shows that a SPS is very much politically feasible. If we are going to state as fact that something is "largely dismissed" at Wikipeida, then it better have solid references and not just the word of one person.
If you revert it back, you are going to need to provide solid references within the article to justify it. Cowicide ( talk) 21:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
It does not seem at all encyclopedic to have most of an article on a topic be actually about objections and counter-opinions. The Opinions, Alternatives, and Objections sections should be shortened considerably. Something is really off about the way this article is constructed . -- 76.14.54.237 ( talk) 21:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The paragraph under section "Criticism" about what John Murphy thinks is irrelevant and should be deleted, along with the reference [30] JOHN A. MURPHY "Can Lieberman Save Single Payer? (Why Progressives Should Back a Filibuster of the Health Care Bill)" CounterPunch November 9, 2009. The source is a blog and the author has no notoriety nor standing in the debate. The wiki link to his name was inaccurate, since there is no WP page for this particular John A. Murphy. pradtke ( talk) 08:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Not even mentioning the problem of the Wall Street article being an editorial and from June. How does the reference support the text?-- Jorfer ( talk) 03:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Critics charge that the public plan will be subsidized by the government. Here they have their facts wrong. Under every plan that's being discussed on Capitol Hill, subsidies go to individuals and families who need them in order to afford health care, not to a public plan. Individuals and families use the subsidies to shop for the best care they can find. They're free to choose the public plan, but that's only one option. They could take their subsidy and buy a private plan just as easily.
Republican Senator Charles Grassley has remarked, “The government is not a fair competitor... It's a predator”.[21] As stated before, Grassley's comment has been criticized by Dionne and ThinkProgress.[6][8] As stated before, the leftist blog has criticized Grassley for, when asked for his opinion of Medicare, a much more government controlled entity than the public insurance plan, saying that Medicare was "part of the social fabric of America" while also saying "I think there is a lot wrong with it". As stated before, the leftist blog has also said that what it sees as Grassley's hipocracy "flustered" him.[8]
I've bended as far as I can, and this is a red-line. I've compromised on whether or not to left Mb-Hausk (since you co-ordinate and organize your edits, you should be referred to as the same person) to give the leftist criticisms undue weight (I will let you) and to put the criticisms in the wrong section (I've let you mention it everywhere). I will not let you pretend that the criticism of the leftist blog is fact. That is a redline. Do not pretend that Grassley being a "flustered" "hypocrite" is an objective fact. It is not, it is merely the opinion of a leftist blogger. The Squicks ( talk) 00:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I would have to agree that the first edit is justified, since the generosity of a plan is determined by what the average person receives in benefits versus what they pay in (not just those that make claims). I completely disagree in the second change, though. You never change a direct quote. You just don't do it. Doing so is lying. It doesn't matter if you are changing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad saying the Holocaust is a lie or Bill Clinton saying he did not have sex with that woman. You don't do it. A quote is an accurate representation of what someone said, not what the truth actually is. On the third point, I partially disagree. Just because an event predates Christ's incarnation (as opposed to His existence which the consensus of Christianity considers eternal, though not Jehovah's Witnesses and Arians) does not mean it is not a Christian belief. Gabriel's appearance to Mary and John the Baptist's birth are both part of Christianity. It is obvious not all Christians belief the Bible to be 100% accurate, so biblical is a better word to use for the Genesis account, as it is more neutral. This does not necessarily include everyone who does not believe in Genesis as a literal creation story, since many believe Genesis is 100% accurate as an allegorical account. Christians that belief Genesis accuracy connect it to the Christian faith, since Jesus connected His work with the Old Testament. Since that is not everyone, however, to maintain neutral point of view, biblical is a better word to use on Wikipedia.-- Jorfer ( talk) 02:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
- When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men are out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
All this is perfectly sensible to anyone who actually knows the game of cricket. There are no errors in the text as I far as I can see. Enjoy!-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 01:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the "er" hesitations from the long quotation. First, I don't understand why we're including this verbatim dialog to being with - we should just summarize it. Second, it's hard to escape the conclusion that the hesitations are being included simply to make the speaker appear tongue-tied. As anyone who listens to extemporaneous speakers knows, folks commonly say "uh", "um", or "er" while speaking. They do not constitute part of the communication, and in this case they are not relevent to the topic of the article - the "Public health insurance option". I suggest that we find a secondary source which characterizes this debate and use it instead, but in the meantim let's not use the hesitations of a speaker as a backdoor criticism of his position. Will Beback talk 18:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Also, I see no real reason why Igor Volsky's opinion should not be considered a notable secondary source anyway. He is a named contributor to the book written by Howard Dean on the reform of the U.S. health care system http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Deans-Prescription-Healthcare-Reform/dp/product-description/1603582282. That surely makes him a notable person in this area!-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 00:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
"After years of trying to cut Medicare spending, Republican lawmakers have emerged as champions of the program, accusing Democrats of trying to steal from the elderly to cover the cost of health reform." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/27/AR2009092703277.html Washington Post September 27,2009
Then, an article by CBS News 2 days later comments on more flip-flopping during its reporting of that debate, firstly with the Republicans criticisizing Medicare
"To highlight the flaws of government-administered health insurance, Republicans also criticized Medicare -- straying from their recent praise for the government program that insures senior citizens. Medicare is "on a path to a fiscal meltdown" and underpays doctors and health care providers, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said. It is "forcing increasing numbers of providers to simply stop seeing our nation's seniors," he said, and shifts costs to taxpayers." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5351095.shtml CBS News September 29, 2009
and finally with Grassley praising Medicare as "part of the social fabric of America".(Ibid.)
And it is notable that many other journalistic outlets apart from CBS picked up that the exchange was important, E.g. this article http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/09/29/grassley/print.html which headlined the arguments as "logic in short supply", calling the arguments "circular" and a "simultaneous defense and criticism of Medicare"; and this one, http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20091003/OPINION05/910030326/1023/Grassley+incoherent+on+health+care which described Grassley as "completely incoherent and self-contradictory".
We shouldn't be surprised that he should hesitate because he doesn't seem to know where his party stands.-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 03:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose that when the block has been lifted we reinstate the text but add the word "arguably" before the word "flustered", because that is what we have been arguing about. The video and the verbatim transcript and the video will enable readers to determine this for themselves. It is importan that we resolve this issue before the block is lifted otherwise I can see this dispute continuing. If we fail to get a suitable agreement we may have to go to third party mediation.-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 00:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Hard-line left-wing blog criticism of public plan opponents are find so long as we include hard-line right-wing blog criticism of public plan supporters. Sauce for the goose... The Squicks ( talk) 20:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, as the protecting admin, I was notified that consensus was reached on the talk page, but I'm not entirely sure that's the case (though I may be wrong). If I could get statements of the edit warring users on the issue, it would help me determine the outcome. Thanks.— ξ xplicit 17:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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I have replied to this issue in the previous section. The first edit that was objected to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Public_health_insurance_option&diff=prev&oldid=323214537 should be reinstated. It avoids the need to quote precisely what Grassley said and how he said it. The source for this is as good as any other found in this and other WP articles on U.S. health care, coming from a respected think tank. [[User:The Squicks] whose objections to this particular edit and whose obstructionism has led us to this point has now posted on his home page that he/she is retiring from Wikipedia. The freeze on edits to the article should be lifted as soon as possible.-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 12:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Consensus is clearly for not including remarks as to Grassleys physical state, so I will remove it as well even though I do not have strong opinions either way on it. If the edit warring continues, Here is the breakdown:
For Keeping "Flustered":
Against Keeping "Flustered":
There you have it.-- Jorfer ( talk) 16:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
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Is it just me, or does this article have a little liberal bias?? 207.5.151.219 ( talk) 02:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
This article never defines what "public option" is or means. The Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates survey http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM41_topline_report_-_aarp_health_care_poll_final_v2.pdf says: "III. In spite of months of coverage and the increasing volume of public discussion on health care reform, the American public has a limited understanding of what’s happening in Congress. Very few (only 37%) are able to correctly define the term “public option,” even when given only 3 options to choose from. (That’s nearly the equivalent probability that one would expect if everyone were just guessing.)" Can someone tell us what it is, or is someone trying to hide something? Thank you. 76.175.97.243 ( talk) 03:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree with the first comment. This page does not answer the question: what does "public option" mean? MWYada ( talk) 16:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)Mike
What needs to be said... Taking business way from the private sector is not the only issue Republicans and Conservatives have with the health care bill. They are concerned about how much it is going to cost the American People in the long run. These days everything is at its wits end and a health care bill with or with out a public option is not what we need to be discussing at the moment. Yes, health can be reformed, but America needs to take care of their debt first. Even if the bill is passed, it would be years before any action would be taken. For example: Car for Clunkers cost the taxpayer over $20,000 per car sold. Providing health care is a state issue not a federal issue. 11/06/09 EmG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.118.233 ( talk) 18:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
That "America needs to take care of their debt first" is your opinion. It does not need "to be said" in an encyclopedia. 90% of the national debt is owed to Americans so it is debatable whether it really that big of a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.42.233 ( talk) 21:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but the point is that the vast majority of the U.S. national debt is owned by Americans, either private citizens or intragovernmental holdings. It is a common myth that the national debt is how much USA owes other countries. End of discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.217.220 ( talk) 10:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I read somewhere that the public option would offer premiums 10-20% below private insurance industry averages. If true, this is a far cry from what most people seem to think - that the public option would be dirt cheap. How is an unemployed individual, who is no longer receiving unemployment money, supposed to some up with such an amount? If you have any information (that can be cited) on either the expected premiums or plans for those who still wouldn't be able to afford them, please post it. 209.255.33.150 ( talk) 15:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
People who are unemployed or below the poverty level are already covered on medicare. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.37.177.47 ( talk) 00:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Most polls have showed significantly higher approval of the public option than the polls chosen for inclusion in this article. 75.76.213.106 ( talk) 00:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The IBD/TIPP poll referenced in the article is loaded with anomolies that aren't referenced in this article. You can say what you want about the political leanings of Nate Silver, but he deconstructs that particular poll in an unbiased fashion here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/ibdtipp-doctors-poll-is-not-trustworthy.html 192.88.212.43 ( talk) 14:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
" ... A single-payer system has been largely dismissed as politically infeasible ... "
Unless someone can find more data/references than a quote from one person, namely Laurence Baker, on this conjecture, I will remove this unsupported conjecture.
In that very same article referenced, it's says, " ... Some statistics show the single-payer concept has grown in popularity as problems in the nation's health care system have worsened. A CBS News/New York Times poll conducted in January found 59 percent of the 1,112 people surveyed said they supported government-provided national health insurance. ... " & " ... While not supported by the American Medical Association, a nationalized health system got the backing of 59 percent of physicians in a poll published last year in the Annals of Internal Medicine. ... "
If anything, the article shows that a SPS is very much politically feasible. If we are going to state as fact that something is "largely dismissed" at Wikipeida, then it better have solid references and not just the word of one person.
If you revert it back, you are going to need to provide solid references within the article to justify it. Cowicide ( talk) 21:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
It does not seem at all encyclopedic to have most of an article on a topic be actually about objections and counter-opinions. The Opinions, Alternatives, and Objections sections should be shortened considerably. Something is really off about the way this article is constructed . -- 76.14.54.237 ( talk) 21:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The paragraph under section "Criticism" about what John Murphy thinks is irrelevant and should be deleted, along with the reference [30] JOHN A. MURPHY "Can Lieberman Save Single Payer? (Why Progressives Should Back a Filibuster of the Health Care Bill)" CounterPunch November 9, 2009. The source is a blog and the author has no notoriety nor standing in the debate. The wiki link to his name was inaccurate, since there is no WP page for this particular John A. Murphy. pradtke ( talk) 08:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Not even mentioning the problem of the Wall Street article being an editorial and from June. How does the reference support the text?-- Jorfer ( talk) 03:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Critics charge that the public plan will be subsidized by the government. Here they have their facts wrong. Under every plan that's being discussed on Capitol Hill, subsidies go to individuals and families who need them in order to afford health care, not to a public plan. Individuals and families use the subsidies to shop for the best care they can find. They're free to choose the public plan, but that's only one option. They could take their subsidy and buy a private plan just as easily.
Republican Senator Charles Grassley has remarked, “The government is not a fair competitor... It's a predator”.[21] As stated before, Grassley's comment has been criticized by Dionne and ThinkProgress.[6][8] As stated before, the leftist blog has criticized Grassley for, when asked for his opinion of Medicare, a much more government controlled entity than the public insurance plan, saying that Medicare was "part of the social fabric of America" while also saying "I think there is a lot wrong with it". As stated before, the leftist blog has also said that what it sees as Grassley's hipocracy "flustered" him.[8]
I've bended as far as I can, and this is a red-line. I've compromised on whether or not to left Mb-Hausk (since you co-ordinate and organize your edits, you should be referred to as the same person) to give the leftist criticisms undue weight (I will let you) and to put the criticisms in the wrong section (I've let you mention it everywhere). I will not let you pretend that the criticism of the leftist blog is fact. That is a redline. Do not pretend that Grassley being a "flustered" "hypocrite" is an objective fact. It is not, it is merely the opinion of a leftist blogger. The Squicks ( talk) 00:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I would have to agree that the first edit is justified, since the generosity of a plan is determined by what the average person receives in benefits versus what they pay in (not just those that make claims). I completely disagree in the second change, though. You never change a direct quote. You just don't do it. Doing so is lying. It doesn't matter if you are changing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad saying the Holocaust is a lie or Bill Clinton saying he did not have sex with that woman. You don't do it. A quote is an accurate representation of what someone said, not what the truth actually is. On the third point, I partially disagree. Just because an event predates Christ's incarnation (as opposed to His existence which the consensus of Christianity considers eternal, though not Jehovah's Witnesses and Arians) does not mean it is not a Christian belief. Gabriel's appearance to Mary and John the Baptist's birth are both part of Christianity. It is obvious not all Christians belief the Bible to be 100% accurate, so biblical is a better word to use for the Genesis account, as it is more neutral. This does not necessarily include everyone who does not believe in Genesis as a literal creation story, since many believe Genesis is 100% accurate as an allegorical account. Christians that belief Genesis accuracy connect it to the Christian faith, since Jesus connected His work with the Old Testament. Since that is not everyone, however, to maintain neutral point of view, biblical is a better word to use on Wikipedia.-- Jorfer ( talk) 02:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
- When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men are out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
All this is perfectly sensible to anyone who actually knows the game of cricket. There are no errors in the text as I far as I can see. Enjoy!-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 01:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the "er" hesitations from the long quotation. First, I don't understand why we're including this verbatim dialog to being with - we should just summarize it. Second, it's hard to escape the conclusion that the hesitations are being included simply to make the speaker appear tongue-tied. As anyone who listens to extemporaneous speakers knows, folks commonly say "uh", "um", or "er" while speaking. They do not constitute part of the communication, and in this case they are not relevent to the topic of the article - the "Public health insurance option". I suggest that we find a secondary source which characterizes this debate and use it instead, but in the meantim let's not use the hesitations of a speaker as a backdoor criticism of his position. Will Beback talk 18:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Also, I see no real reason why Igor Volsky's opinion should not be considered a notable secondary source anyway. He is a named contributor to the book written by Howard Dean on the reform of the U.S. health care system http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Deans-Prescription-Healthcare-Reform/dp/product-description/1603582282. That surely makes him a notable person in this area!-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 00:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
"After years of trying to cut Medicare spending, Republican lawmakers have emerged as champions of the program, accusing Democrats of trying to steal from the elderly to cover the cost of health reform." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/27/AR2009092703277.html Washington Post September 27,2009
Then, an article by CBS News 2 days later comments on more flip-flopping during its reporting of that debate, firstly with the Republicans criticisizing Medicare
"To highlight the flaws of government-administered health insurance, Republicans also criticized Medicare -- straying from their recent praise for the government program that insures senior citizens. Medicare is "on a path to a fiscal meltdown" and underpays doctors and health care providers, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said. It is "forcing increasing numbers of providers to simply stop seeing our nation's seniors," he said, and shifts costs to taxpayers." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5351095.shtml CBS News September 29, 2009
and finally with Grassley praising Medicare as "part of the social fabric of America".(Ibid.)
And it is notable that many other journalistic outlets apart from CBS picked up that the exchange was important, E.g. this article http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/09/29/grassley/print.html which headlined the arguments as "logic in short supply", calling the arguments "circular" and a "simultaneous defense and criticism of Medicare"; and this one, http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20091003/OPINION05/910030326/1023/Grassley+incoherent+on+health+care which described Grassley as "completely incoherent and self-contradictory".
We shouldn't be surprised that he should hesitate because he doesn't seem to know where his party stands.-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 03:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose that when the block has been lifted we reinstate the text but add the word "arguably" before the word "flustered", because that is what we have been arguing about. The video and the verbatim transcript and the video will enable readers to determine this for themselves. It is importan that we resolve this issue before the block is lifted otherwise I can see this dispute continuing. If we fail to get a suitable agreement we may have to go to third party mediation.-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 00:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Hard-line left-wing blog criticism of public plan opponents are find so long as we include hard-line right-wing blog criticism of public plan supporters. Sauce for the goose... The Squicks ( talk) 20:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, as the protecting admin, I was notified that consensus was reached on the talk page, but I'm not entirely sure that's the case (though I may be wrong). If I could get statements of the edit warring users on the issue, it would help me determine the outcome. Thanks.— ξ xplicit 17:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)
I have replied to this issue in the previous section. The first edit that was objected to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Public_health_insurance_option&diff=prev&oldid=323214537 should be reinstated. It avoids the need to quote precisely what Grassley said and how he said it. The source for this is as good as any other found in this and other WP articles on U.S. health care, coming from a respected think tank. [[User:The Squicks] whose objections to this particular edit and whose obstructionism has led us to this point has now posted on his home page that he/she is retiring from Wikipedia. The freeze on edits to the article should be lifted as soon as possible.-- Hauskalainen ( talk) 12:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Consensus is clearly for not including remarks as to Grassleys physical state, so I will remove it as well even though I do not have strong opinions either way on it. If the edit warring continues, Here is the breakdown:
For Keeping "Flustered":
Against Keeping "Flustered":
There you have it.-- Jorfer ( talk) 16:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
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Obama calls for 'public option' for Obamacare. By Tami Luhby. July 11, 2016. CNN.
"In an article published Monday in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the president called for Congress to revisit the 'public option' for Obamacare in areas where few insurers offer coverage." -- 74.83.99.20 ( talk) 15:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)