This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
Reporting errors |
Wow, really nice writing! Congratulations on a very professional article. -- kingboyk 21:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Avant-Garde too, yeah? Definately. I agree with myself. LOVE AND INSANITY. I shall put on avant-garde under this argument and truth. AVANT GARDE IS PUBLIC IMAGE. A lot of it is very random.{{subst:18:41, 7 August 2007|172.159.3.80}}
"Miles Davis also played on these sessions but his contributions were never used." This isn't very difficult to imagine, but I haven't seen this documented anywhere. This Miles Davis discography is very thorough, and doesn't mention it at all (and it would, even if the recordings were unused). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It was documented in the liner notes to Plastic Box by Lydon himself///// —Preceding
unsigned comment added by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]] •
contribs) date
Haha...
NYC tour dates:
The 1980 New York show was at the Palladium/Academy of Music. James Blood Ulmer opened. Lydon and Levene left the stage midway through the set; Wobble and Atkins continued to play, filling the room with sound for 25 minutes.
The Ritz show described here was in 1981 or -82. It was a last-minute booking when Bow Wow Wow had to cancel for immigration issues, and the audience was sparse. Tdsput ( talk) 01:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
the trip to Jamaica also involved an attempt at shoe-horning John Lydon into Devo... they had Devo in one room, and Lydon in another... Devo walked as soon as they realized what was happening.
The first album was known as "First Edition", wasn't it? not "First Issue".
Mabsy ( talk) 15:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
That first paragraph under "Early Career" is a mess. I would clean it up, but I don't even know what it's trying to say. "Virgin Records head Richard Branson, in which Lydon assisted Branson in scouting for emerging reggae musicians." What? -- McViking ( talk) 16:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=360114
Why is this missing from the discog and not mentioned in the history. Surely it's an important piece in musical history. I have added it along with covered and acid drops as they are listed as singles on some discogs though i can't confirm it. I believe they may have been cancelled though there are promos. I'll put cancelled aside them if anyone doesnt think they should be there remove them. I can't find the chart position for warrior. -- Neon white 15:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Image:PiLFirstIssue.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 09:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The link to Pete Jones' website describing his time in PiL is fine, but the links to myspace and selling mp3s violates WP:SPAM. Freshacconci 00:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
This is not Lydon and Wobble, it is Lydon and Levine - Lydon even utters 'Keith' at one point. I have changed the reference. Robojam 21:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Keith Levene has quoted in an interview that Wobble speaks in it too. Could be all 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ACertainNeuromance ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It is Lydon, Wobble, Levene. Last track on the album and last to be recorded. Drums and bass and synth were done in the afternoon but there was no lyric. Sat around drinking and smoking and Jim got bored and went home. On the track, after Lydon says "Fuckin'ell thirsty work.." you can hear Keith say "This track is dragging on". All the northern Pythonesque stuff is Wobble who ran into the control room where I was to get the cigarettes, which is why he starts on about the engineer and the 'long haired hippie roadie'- me. Wobble has mistakenly claimed in his Book 'Memoires of a Geezer" that Jim Walker was there and Keith had gone home. There is no Canadian accent on the track, and Walker has voiced his disapproval. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 21:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The text describing how Kate Bush tried to duplicate Wobble's sound belongs in a different section, not the one about Flowers of Romance. Wobble was no longer in the band when that album was recorded. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
No one could seriously call PiL a rock band. It's major audience is probably avant-guard rock/pop fans, but that doesn't make them a rock band. And anyhow, the band themselves claimed to be post-rock and roll. If anyone really wants me to prove that, I can find the interview on Youtube again. Anyhow, I removed one single word from the entire article: the word "rock" in the first sentence. -- MQDuck ( talk) 05:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I can't understand why a photograph of John Lydon is in the infobox when he isn't even listed even in the primary former members category of bandmates. Can't a photo of the band be found, or at least one showing a few members who are/were active together? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 06:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
What is the copyright status on those last.fm photos? Can we use any of them on Wikipedia? I agree that it would be better to have a group photo instead of just Lydon, since he was all about it being a group effort, not "his band". If those photos are in public domain, you should replace the old one. Asnav ( talk) 23:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit the article but wanted to let you know the number of tour dates of UK Dec 2009 is increased. Article says five dates - currently there are seven dates. http://www.pilofficial.com/shows.html Can somebody change it? (And I agree about changing to a photo of the band. Or how about something like this? http://www.pilofficial.com/image.html PIL might allow it; worth a try. ) Thx and here are my tildes... although I don't see any tildes in the above text (?) 72.49.198.169 ( talk) 05:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC) :D ML 72.49.198.169 ( talk) 05:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I spent about an hour or so compiling the new navbox, because I think that PiL are worthy enough of having one. Feel free to add anything I've missed out, especially with members and related articles.
Taco chopper ( talk) 15:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Public Image Ltd. → Public Image Ltd — PiL did not use a full stop after their name, nor is a full stop normally used after abbreviations ending in the final letter of the word. McLerristarr / Mclay1 07:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Obviously we need an admin to make the change, and a few hands to look after the dabs afterwards. Ceoil ( talk) 16:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
this is what you want, this is what you get... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:54, 28 August 2010 (UTC
I believe the "generic branding" of the 1986 album is an hommage to the 1984 film Repo Man, where the characters drink "beer" and eat from cans of "food". The typefaces and colours seem extrememly similar. See for example at 0:54 in the trailer at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLGrXGEMOSo.
Stopserver ( talk) 20:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Steve New is listed as a band member, this is incorrect. He only guested on one single song in 1980, that's all. Please change/remove! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.149.241.3 ( talk) 04:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Surely something should be mentioned about PiL getting back in the studio? http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110729_cotswolds.shtml 86.130.249.193 ( talk) 01:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Could PiL's original incarnation be considered a supergroup? -- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 01:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
removed the link (which was to the indian footy player of the same name); dias deserves his own wikipedia page, to judge from this very interesting interview, but currently he doesn't have one.
http://www.fodderstompf.com/INTERVIEWS/diasint.html
duncanrmi ( talk) 20:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Public Image Ltd. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers. — cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 17:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Public Image Ltd. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 11:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
There is an inconsistency in the current article intro section regarding the members that formed the band.
The intro first says:
It then says:
These two statements are inconsistent. The first says that all founding members were involved in forming the band. The seconds says the band was formed by Lydon alone.
I suspect there's confusion between founding and forming members but it is beyond my knowledge to definitively correct this. I hope a fellow Wikipedian is able to do so.
Wantnot ( talk) 10:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes that is inconsistent I agreee. As the roadie, my experience at the time of what happened was that Lydon obviously wanted a new band and the first time I was involved It was Lydon and Wobble together auditioning guitarists. They both introduced themselves as John, way before the thing got a name or Mr Wardle became Wobble. John Lydon and John Wardle are aguably the founding members. There's a nice interview with Janet Street Porter "A lot of people think you're going to form a reggae band", Lydon replies " A lot of people are gonna be wrong". Thelisteninghand ( talk) 22:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The article refers to Wobble letting off a fire extinguisher because Lydon had 'started a fire' this is false. The fire extinguisher was let of by Wobble to show his "frustration at society" (quoted from vocal) there was absolutely no fire. I am cited on the 'first Issue' page as being present during the recording and I am referred to in the vocal as "the long haired hippie roadie". Three members of the group were present for the vocal: Lydon, Levene and Wobble, not two. I haven't edited. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC) Deleted now. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
The Ritz Riot could have its own heading - I have tried to provide a citation but I think there are problems with the website. Perhaps someone who isn't also a beginner could check. There are two excellent first hand accounts of the gig, one by Sounds magazine. You'll need to either copy and paste the link or go to fodderstompf.com and click the pull down menu, click Gig Archives - then scroll to 1981 New York Ritz. This is an updated note to a previous question. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:12, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
For the avoidance of any doubt the Ltd company was real, not simply a description or an artistic concept. It was founded by Lydon in July '78 with the band members as directors. Here's data from Companies House: https://companycheck.co.uk/company/01377652/PUBLIC-IMAGE-LIMITED/companies-house-data
I'll edit to include this somehow Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
Reporting errors |
Wow, really nice writing! Congratulations on a very professional article. -- kingboyk 21:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Avant-Garde too, yeah? Definately. I agree with myself. LOVE AND INSANITY. I shall put on avant-garde under this argument and truth. AVANT GARDE IS PUBLIC IMAGE. A lot of it is very random.{{subst:18:41, 7 August 2007|172.159.3.80}}
"Miles Davis also played on these sessions but his contributions were never used." This isn't very difficult to imagine, but I haven't seen this documented anywhere. This Miles Davis discography is very thorough, and doesn't mention it at all (and it would, even if the recordings were unused). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It was documented in the liner notes to Plastic Box by Lydon himself///// —Preceding
unsigned comment added by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]] •
contribs) date
Haha...
NYC tour dates:
The 1980 New York show was at the Palladium/Academy of Music. James Blood Ulmer opened. Lydon and Levene left the stage midway through the set; Wobble and Atkins continued to play, filling the room with sound for 25 minutes.
The Ritz show described here was in 1981 or -82. It was a last-minute booking when Bow Wow Wow had to cancel for immigration issues, and the audience was sparse. Tdsput ( talk) 01:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
the trip to Jamaica also involved an attempt at shoe-horning John Lydon into Devo... they had Devo in one room, and Lydon in another... Devo walked as soon as they realized what was happening.
The first album was known as "First Edition", wasn't it? not "First Issue".
Mabsy ( talk) 15:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
That first paragraph under "Early Career" is a mess. I would clean it up, but I don't even know what it's trying to say. "Virgin Records head Richard Branson, in which Lydon assisted Branson in scouting for emerging reggae musicians." What? -- McViking ( talk) 16:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=360114
Why is this missing from the discog and not mentioned in the history. Surely it's an important piece in musical history. I have added it along with covered and acid drops as they are listed as singles on some discogs though i can't confirm it. I believe they may have been cancelled though there are promos. I'll put cancelled aside them if anyone doesnt think they should be there remove them. I can't find the chart position for warrior. -- Neon white 15:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Image:PiLFirstIssue.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 09:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The link to Pete Jones' website describing his time in PiL is fine, but the links to myspace and selling mp3s violates WP:SPAM. Freshacconci 00:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
This is not Lydon and Wobble, it is Lydon and Levine - Lydon even utters 'Keith' at one point. I have changed the reference. Robojam 21:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Keith Levene has quoted in an interview that Wobble speaks in it too. Could be all 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ACertainNeuromance ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It is Lydon, Wobble, Levene. Last track on the album and last to be recorded. Drums and bass and synth were done in the afternoon but there was no lyric. Sat around drinking and smoking and Jim got bored and went home. On the track, after Lydon says "Fuckin'ell thirsty work.." you can hear Keith say "This track is dragging on". All the northern Pythonesque stuff is Wobble who ran into the control room where I was to get the cigarettes, which is why he starts on about the engineer and the 'long haired hippie roadie'- me. Wobble has mistakenly claimed in his Book 'Memoires of a Geezer" that Jim Walker was there and Keith had gone home. There is no Canadian accent on the track, and Walker has voiced his disapproval. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 21:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The text describing how Kate Bush tried to duplicate Wobble's sound belongs in a different section, not the one about Flowers of Romance. Wobble was no longer in the band when that album was recorded. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
No one could seriously call PiL a rock band. It's major audience is probably avant-guard rock/pop fans, but that doesn't make them a rock band. And anyhow, the band themselves claimed to be post-rock and roll. If anyone really wants me to prove that, I can find the interview on Youtube again. Anyhow, I removed one single word from the entire article: the word "rock" in the first sentence. -- MQDuck ( talk) 05:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I can't understand why a photograph of John Lydon is in the infobox when he isn't even listed even in the primary former members category of bandmates. Can't a photo of the band be found, or at least one showing a few members who are/were active together? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 06:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
What is the copyright status on those last.fm photos? Can we use any of them on Wikipedia? I agree that it would be better to have a group photo instead of just Lydon, since he was all about it being a group effort, not "his band". If those photos are in public domain, you should replace the old one. Asnav ( talk) 23:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit the article but wanted to let you know the number of tour dates of UK Dec 2009 is increased. Article says five dates - currently there are seven dates. http://www.pilofficial.com/shows.html Can somebody change it? (And I agree about changing to a photo of the band. Or how about something like this? http://www.pilofficial.com/image.html PIL might allow it; worth a try. ) Thx and here are my tildes... although I don't see any tildes in the above text (?) 72.49.198.169 ( talk) 05:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC) :D ML 72.49.198.169 ( talk) 05:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I spent about an hour or so compiling the new navbox, because I think that PiL are worthy enough of having one. Feel free to add anything I've missed out, especially with members and related articles.
Taco chopper ( talk) 15:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Public Image Ltd. → Public Image Ltd — PiL did not use a full stop after their name, nor is a full stop normally used after abbreviations ending in the final letter of the word. McLerristarr / Mclay1 07:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Obviously we need an admin to make the change, and a few hands to look after the dabs afterwards. Ceoil ( talk) 16:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
this is what you want, this is what you get... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:54, 28 August 2010 (UTC
I believe the "generic branding" of the 1986 album is an hommage to the 1984 film Repo Man, where the characters drink "beer" and eat from cans of "food". The typefaces and colours seem extrememly similar. See for example at 0:54 in the trailer at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLGrXGEMOSo.
Stopserver ( talk) 20:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Steve New is listed as a band member, this is incorrect. He only guested on one single song in 1980, that's all. Please change/remove! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.149.241.3 ( talk) 04:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Surely something should be mentioned about PiL getting back in the studio? http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110729_cotswolds.shtml 86.130.249.193 ( talk) 01:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Could PiL's original incarnation be considered a supergroup? -- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 01:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
removed the link (which was to the indian footy player of the same name); dias deserves his own wikipedia page, to judge from this very interesting interview, but currently he doesn't have one.
http://www.fodderstompf.com/INTERVIEWS/diasint.html
duncanrmi ( talk) 20:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Public Image Ltd. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers. — cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 17:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Public Image Ltd. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 11:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
There is an inconsistency in the current article intro section regarding the members that formed the band.
The intro first says:
It then says:
These two statements are inconsistent. The first says that all founding members were involved in forming the band. The seconds says the band was formed by Lydon alone.
I suspect there's confusion between founding and forming members but it is beyond my knowledge to definitively correct this. I hope a fellow Wikipedian is able to do so.
Wantnot ( talk) 10:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes that is inconsistent I agreee. As the roadie, my experience at the time of what happened was that Lydon obviously wanted a new band and the first time I was involved It was Lydon and Wobble together auditioning guitarists. They both introduced themselves as John, way before the thing got a name or Mr Wardle became Wobble. John Lydon and John Wardle are aguably the founding members. There's a nice interview with Janet Street Porter "A lot of people think you're going to form a reggae band", Lydon replies " A lot of people are gonna be wrong". Thelisteninghand ( talk) 22:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The article refers to Wobble letting off a fire extinguisher because Lydon had 'started a fire' this is false. The fire extinguisher was let of by Wobble to show his "frustration at society" (quoted from vocal) there was absolutely no fire. I am cited on the 'first Issue' page as being present during the recording and I am referred to in the vocal as "the long haired hippie roadie". Three members of the group were present for the vocal: Lydon, Levene and Wobble, not two. I haven't edited. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC) Deleted now. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
The Ritz Riot could have its own heading - I have tried to provide a citation but I think there are problems with the website. Perhaps someone who isn't also a beginner could check. There are two excellent first hand accounts of the gig, one by Sounds magazine. You'll need to either copy and paste the link or go to fodderstompf.com and click the pull down menu, click Gig Archives - then scroll to 1981 New York Ritz. This is an updated note to a previous question. Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:12, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
For the avoidance of any doubt the Ltd company was real, not simply a description or an artistic concept. It was founded by Lydon in July '78 with the band members as directors. Here's data from Companies House: https://companycheck.co.uk/company/01377652/PUBLIC-IMAGE-LIMITED/companies-house-data
I'll edit to include this somehow Thelisteninghand ( talk) 17:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)