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After "A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking establishment fundamental to the culture of Britain,[1][2] Ireland,[3] Australia[4], Newfoundland and New Zealand" this article presents itself as dealing only with the British instance of this establishment. As such, it needs a new title or a total overhaul. Sir smellybeard ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 20:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Public house → Pub – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The name in common use is "pub". Articles, books, media, pub companies, and local authorities all use pub. "Public house" is an anachronism, as that is an older usage, more properly belonging to the Victorian period when a Public house was under legislation distinct from some other forms of licensed premises such as Beer houses - such usage did continue into the early part of the 20th century, but in today's society people no longer refer to a pub as a public house. Also, there is no current official usage of the term "public house" - modern legislation refers to "licensed premises". SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
It's true that there are "pubs" in the United States that are not called "public houses", but is there really a difference of significance? Does not the topic of this article extend to British-like or Irish-like pubs in the U.S? I presume it does, but it's such a minor point it really doesn't matter if it doesn't. That's certainly no reason to title this article with the more formal lesser-known, lesser-used and unnecessarily long title. Besides, if Pub and Public house refer to different concepts, then Pub should not be a redirect to this article, but should be the title of its own article. Since they do refer to the same article, the longer less-commonly-used name should redirect to the shorter more-commonly used name, Pub. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 01:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
This is the Wikipedia in the English language. This is not the Wikipedia about the UK. This article should be less UK-centric and include material about pubs outside the UK too. JIP | Talk 14:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Why do so many pubs call themselves "arms"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.206.170 ( talk) 21:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
That's its actual scope... Irish and Australian pubs have their own articles and, in spite of the claim in the lead, Canada barely features (an unsourced half-paragraph at the very end of the article) and New Zealand isn't mentioned once. "Pub" should be a dab page for this page, the Irish and Aussie variants and gastropub. -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 05:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
The pub lock-in can't possibly have originated in WW1 because there are many earlier newspaper articles (see British Newspaper Archive) testifying to prosecutions for lock-ins. e.g. Glasgow Herald edition of 17 July 1854 page 5, article headed 'Police Courts' reports a 'Jane Guthrie, spirit dealer, 34 Gallowgate Street, was accused of...refus(ing) to admit three officers of police into her house... It was proved that a noise was heard in the house, and one of the watchmen saw several persons making their exit from the defendent's back door, while the officers were at the front.' [34 Gallowgate is recorded as a licenced establishment at this time so this was effectively a 'lock-in'. There are likely to be many earlier accounts than this]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.17.165 ( talk) 00:07, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I saw the caution in the "External Links" section, so I'm proposing to add a link to CAMRA's online pubfinder. Does this make sense? http://whatpub.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof. Mc ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
It seemed odd for there to be a reference to a single city in the United States. I certainly know of no special significance of pubs in the Detroit area compared to the rest of the country. Since there was no elaboration in the main body of the article, I removed the reference. Those who know better or have references are welcome to replace it, but I would recommend a detailed mention of the pub phenomenon in Detroit in the text of the article if so. Acsenray ( talk) 18:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Should there be a section on the decline of pubs in the UK, making one or more of the following points?
Part-source: The Lost Pubs Project (England). There are other sources. Tony Holkham ( talk) 16:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, found the page while looking for English pub foods, found the "Beefeater" link I believe is supposed to gazzette.live or whatever (citation 55), is broken and leads to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeomen_Warders instead. Didn't check on the others ( a few links have that page as a citation, and may be broken as well), figured y'all would know what to do, I'm no editor. Thanks for all the work you guys do!
174.134.203.204 ( talk) 01:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I believe the Lost Pubs Project should go in external links. It is a valuable and apparently non-commercial archive source for English pubs that have closed - over 27,000 listed with 13,000 photos. Any worries with this? Tony Holkham ( talk) 15:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
After "A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking establishment fundamental to the culture of Britain,[1][2] Ireland,[3] Australia[4], Newfoundland and New Zealand" this article presents itself as dealing only with the British instance of this establishment. As such, it needs a new title or a total overhaul. Sir smellybeard ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 20:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Public house → Pub – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The name in common use is "pub". Articles, books, media, pub companies, and local authorities all use pub. "Public house" is an anachronism, as that is an older usage, more properly belonging to the Victorian period when a Public house was under legislation distinct from some other forms of licensed premises such as Beer houses - such usage did continue into the early part of the 20th century, but in today's society people no longer refer to a pub as a public house. Also, there is no current official usage of the term "public house" - modern legislation refers to "licensed premises". SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
It's true that there are "pubs" in the United States that are not called "public houses", but is there really a difference of significance? Does not the topic of this article extend to British-like or Irish-like pubs in the U.S? I presume it does, but it's such a minor point it really doesn't matter if it doesn't. That's certainly no reason to title this article with the more formal lesser-known, lesser-used and unnecessarily long title. Besides, if Pub and Public house refer to different concepts, then Pub should not be a redirect to this article, but should be the title of its own article. Since they do refer to the same article, the longer less-commonly-used name should redirect to the shorter more-commonly used name, Pub. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 01:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
This is the Wikipedia in the English language. This is not the Wikipedia about the UK. This article should be less UK-centric and include material about pubs outside the UK too. JIP | Talk 14:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Why do so many pubs call themselves "arms"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.206.170 ( talk) 21:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
That's its actual scope... Irish and Australian pubs have their own articles and, in spite of the claim in the lead, Canada barely features (an unsourced half-paragraph at the very end of the article) and New Zealand isn't mentioned once. "Pub" should be a dab page for this page, the Irish and Aussie variants and gastropub. -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 05:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
The pub lock-in can't possibly have originated in WW1 because there are many earlier newspaper articles (see British Newspaper Archive) testifying to prosecutions for lock-ins. e.g. Glasgow Herald edition of 17 July 1854 page 5, article headed 'Police Courts' reports a 'Jane Guthrie, spirit dealer, 34 Gallowgate Street, was accused of...refus(ing) to admit three officers of police into her house... It was proved that a noise was heard in the house, and one of the watchmen saw several persons making their exit from the defendent's back door, while the officers were at the front.' [34 Gallowgate is recorded as a licenced establishment at this time so this was effectively a 'lock-in'. There are likely to be many earlier accounts than this]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.17.165 ( talk) 00:07, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I saw the caution in the "External Links" section, so I'm proposing to add a link to CAMRA's online pubfinder. Does this make sense? http://whatpub.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof. Mc ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
It seemed odd for there to be a reference to a single city in the United States. I certainly know of no special significance of pubs in the Detroit area compared to the rest of the country. Since there was no elaboration in the main body of the article, I removed the reference. Those who know better or have references are welcome to replace it, but I would recommend a detailed mention of the pub phenomenon in Detroit in the text of the article if so. Acsenray ( talk) 18:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Should there be a section on the decline of pubs in the UK, making one or more of the following points?
Part-source: The Lost Pubs Project (England). There are other sources. Tony Holkham ( talk) 16:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, found the page while looking for English pub foods, found the "Beefeater" link I believe is supposed to gazzette.live or whatever (citation 55), is broken and leads to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeomen_Warders instead. Didn't check on the others ( a few links have that page as a citation, and may be broken as well), figured y'all would know what to do, I'm no editor. Thanks for all the work you guys do!
174.134.203.204 ( talk) 01:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I believe the Lost Pubs Project should go in external links. It is a valuable and apparently non-commercial archive source for English pubs that have closed - over 27,000 listed with 13,000 photos. Any worries with this? Tony Holkham ( talk) 15:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)