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Reviewer: Freikorp ( talk · contribs) 14:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I will review.
Freikorp (
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14:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, Freikorp! I think I've addressed everything. I remember that this article was very frustrating to write as I spent over an hour just to scrape some reviews. The game was misspelled Psst, Psssst and Pssssst in virtually every publication, so that made it even more difficult to find reviews. The longest extract I could find was just a snippet. I have no idea why this game has less coverage than other Ultimate games. JAG UAR 15:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
This article contains several serious sourcing issues, especially in the references section, which will need to be almost entirely re-written. Considering the number of issues, especially in relation to the amount of text, it appears to me that the reviewer did not actually check the sources to make sure that they said what the article claimed that they said. Even if all of these issues are fixed, the text of the article will have changed so much that the article should be delisted and re-reviewed, by a different reviewer that will go line by line making sure that these types of sourcing problems don't make a return.
"The plant grows from a pot at the bottom centre of the screen, and spray cans containing three different pesticides are located on ledges on each side of the screen. Bonus items such as fertiliser and spades appear on unoccupied ledges which will increase both the players score and the plant's growth rate.", sourced to "PSST is this the Ultimate?" -- The given source does not say any of that.
"As the plant grows, it will sprout leaves; these both increase the growth rate and increase its vulnerability to the insects. Once the plant reaches a predetermined height, the player will be able to advance to the next level.", sourced to "PSST is this the Ultimate?" -- The given source does not say any of that. The second of the two sentences can, however, be supported by "Pssst review"
"A life will be deducted whenever the plant dies or the player makes contact with an insect.", sourced to "Pssst review" -- The given source does not say any of that.
"List of Ultimate games compatable with Interface 2". Popular Computing Weekly 2 (40): 1. 6 October 1983. Retrieved 30 September 2015.-- The name of the article isn't "List of Ultimate games compatable with Interface 2", it's "ZX Interface 2 direct by mail".
"title: Title of source.". There is no mention of the ability to use whatever else you think fits as the title, and I've never heard of a citation system that would allow that, being that using something other than the actual title as the title makes it difficult to re-locate a source. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 18:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
... "but no marketing experience in the video game sector.", sourced to "The Best of British – Ultimate" -- The source doesn't say that; it says that they didn't use their experience as arcade machine designers in their marketing.
"In the second issue of Personal Computer Games, the game was placed 40th on the "Best Software of All Time" list.", sourced to "PCG Soft Hits list" -- The source doesn't say that. It clearly says at the bottom that it's a chart of top selling software from the past month.
"This chart is compiled from returns covering the last four weeks. Returns are drawn from a continuous retail panel of over 100 shops, and are cross-referenced to listings from wholesalers and multiple chain stores, weighted according to the number of outlets. This chart is copyright, MRIB Computers, 1983."The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 18:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
"In the fourth issue of Personal Computing Games, Pssst was chosen as having the "best" graphics out of any game in 1983.", sourced to "Search hots up for game of 1983" -- The source doesn't use the word "best", so you can't say that it does.
"However, they considered Pssst to be a "taste of things to come" regarding the critical acclaim of future games released by Ultimate.", sourced to "Pssst – retrospective review" -- The source doesn't say that. You took the statement "a taste of things to come" as a reference to future critical acclaim for the studio. The source does not actually say that, however. It could just as easily be read as a statement on improvements to game graphics.
The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 15:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Beyond the sourcing issues (which may not be an issue after all), is there any reason to delist this article? -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 19:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Jaguar: I think that this discussion has gotten a little heated, and right now there's a lot of back and forth and we're no closer to resolving the disagrement. I don't want to spend my time on the project arguing, I want to spend it writing articles. How about we leave this for a day or two, and then come back with fresh heads and see if there are any points above that we can agree on. If we're still stuck, I agree that bringing in an uninvolved third party might be the best course of action, although I'd prefer that it be someone either from
WP:GOCE who can focus on the technicalities of the dispute or someone from
WP:3O who can focus on de-escalation.
The Squirrel Conspiracy (
talk)
21:22, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Summary by Kiyoshiendo: I've looked over the disputes between User:Jaguar and User:The Squirrel Conspiracy. It appears to me a case of misunderstanding the writing in the citations, as the review authors chose their words poorly. In sum:
I think that this is a simple issue which has been muddle through a day of debate. Both Jaguar and The Squirrel Conspiracy were acting in good faith, and some minor issues halted their actions. If Jaguar has no further questions, may The Squirrel Conspiracy please close this reassessment? -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 04:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Closed: Kept as GA I too am going to extend my thanks to Kiyoshiendo, and I to am going to apologize for my part in how nasty this discussion would up getting. I think that most of these issues have been addressed, and while there are things that I would do differently in the article, there are no longer any issues that would justify keeping this GAR open. I sincerely hope that there will be no lasting hard feelings as a result of this (especially since I was halfway through copyediting an article that Jaguar is now doing a GAN review for, which tells me that we're likely to cross paths many times in the future). For my part, that is the case. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 23:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
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Pssst noted that its graphics were a significant improvement over those of previous games for the
ZX Spectrum? | ||||||||||||
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Reviewer: Freikorp ( talk · contribs) 14:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I will review.
Freikorp (
talk)
14:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, Freikorp! I think I've addressed everything. I remember that this article was very frustrating to write as I spent over an hour just to scrape some reviews. The game was misspelled Psst, Psssst and Pssssst in virtually every publication, so that made it even more difficult to find reviews. The longest extract I could find was just a snippet. I have no idea why this game has less coverage than other Ultimate games. JAG UAR 15:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
This article contains several serious sourcing issues, especially in the references section, which will need to be almost entirely re-written. Considering the number of issues, especially in relation to the amount of text, it appears to me that the reviewer did not actually check the sources to make sure that they said what the article claimed that they said. Even if all of these issues are fixed, the text of the article will have changed so much that the article should be delisted and re-reviewed, by a different reviewer that will go line by line making sure that these types of sourcing problems don't make a return.
"The plant grows from a pot at the bottom centre of the screen, and spray cans containing three different pesticides are located on ledges on each side of the screen. Bonus items such as fertiliser and spades appear on unoccupied ledges which will increase both the players score and the plant's growth rate.", sourced to "PSST is this the Ultimate?" -- The given source does not say any of that.
"As the plant grows, it will sprout leaves; these both increase the growth rate and increase its vulnerability to the insects. Once the plant reaches a predetermined height, the player will be able to advance to the next level.", sourced to "PSST is this the Ultimate?" -- The given source does not say any of that. The second of the two sentences can, however, be supported by "Pssst review"
"A life will be deducted whenever the plant dies or the player makes contact with an insect.", sourced to "Pssst review" -- The given source does not say any of that.
"List of Ultimate games compatable with Interface 2". Popular Computing Weekly 2 (40): 1. 6 October 1983. Retrieved 30 September 2015.-- The name of the article isn't "List of Ultimate games compatable with Interface 2", it's "ZX Interface 2 direct by mail".
"title: Title of source.". There is no mention of the ability to use whatever else you think fits as the title, and I've never heard of a citation system that would allow that, being that using something other than the actual title as the title makes it difficult to re-locate a source. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 18:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
... "but no marketing experience in the video game sector.", sourced to "The Best of British – Ultimate" -- The source doesn't say that; it says that they didn't use their experience as arcade machine designers in their marketing.
"In the second issue of Personal Computer Games, the game was placed 40th on the "Best Software of All Time" list.", sourced to "PCG Soft Hits list" -- The source doesn't say that. It clearly says at the bottom that it's a chart of top selling software from the past month.
"This chart is compiled from returns covering the last four weeks. Returns are drawn from a continuous retail panel of over 100 shops, and are cross-referenced to listings from wholesalers and multiple chain stores, weighted according to the number of outlets. This chart is copyright, MRIB Computers, 1983."The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 18:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
"In the fourth issue of Personal Computing Games, Pssst was chosen as having the "best" graphics out of any game in 1983.", sourced to "Search hots up for game of 1983" -- The source doesn't use the word "best", so you can't say that it does.
"However, they considered Pssst to be a "taste of things to come" regarding the critical acclaim of future games released by Ultimate.", sourced to "Pssst – retrospective review" -- The source doesn't say that. You took the statement "a taste of things to come" as a reference to future critical acclaim for the studio. The source does not actually say that, however. It could just as easily be read as a statement on improvements to game graphics.
The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 15:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Beyond the sourcing issues (which may not be an issue after all), is there any reason to delist this article? -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 19:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Jaguar: I think that this discussion has gotten a little heated, and right now there's a lot of back and forth and we're no closer to resolving the disagrement. I don't want to spend my time on the project arguing, I want to spend it writing articles. How about we leave this for a day or two, and then come back with fresh heads and see if there are any points above that we can agree on. If we're still stuck, I agree that bringing in an uninvolved third party might be the best course of action, although I'd prefer that it be someone either from
WP:GOCE who can focus on the technicalities of the dispute or someone from
WP:3O who can focus on de-escalation.
The Squirrel Conspiracy (
talk)
21:22, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Summary by Kiyoshiendo: I've looked over the disputes between User:Jaguar and User:The Squirrel Conspiracy. It appears to me a case of misunderstanding the writing in the citations, as the review authors chose their words poorly. In sum:
I think that this is a simple issue which has been muddle through a day of debate. Both Jaguar and The Squirrel Conspiracy were acting in good faith, and some minor issues halted their actions. If Jaguar has no further questions, may The Squirrel Conspiracy please close this reassessment? -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 04:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Closed: Kept as GA I too am going to extend my thanks to Kiyoshiendo, and I to am going to apologize for my part in how nasty this discussion would up getting. I think that most of these issues have been addressed, and while there are things that I would do differently in the article, there are no longer any issues that would justify keeping this GAR open. I sincerely hope that there will be no lasting hard feelings as a result of this (especially since I was halfway through copyediting an article that Jaguar is now doing a GAN review for, which tells me that we're likely to cross paths many times in the future). For my part, that is the case. The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 23:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)