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Boyd Reimer ( talk) 18:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm noticing a slight bias in this article reflecting the media attention to the recent prorogation used by Stephen Harper. Perhaps less emphasis on the act of calling it and more on what prorogation actually does.
Also, previous uses of prorogation could also be added to show this isn't a 'new thing' or gimmick in parliament (the prorogation by Jean Chrétien during the sponsorship scandal rings a bell).
Gripen40k ( talk) 20:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
This article is bias towards the opposition and the negative aspects. Shouldn't Wikipedia be un-bias? Where are the aspects from the Government side and their supporters? This article needs to be corrected. -- Aleeproject ( talk) 04:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this should go under Bias, but in the section on the 2004 election, it was originally "Chrétien stepped down as prime minister in December of the following year, and the Liberal party *lost power* in the subsequent election of 2004." I changed it to add accuracy, "Chrétien stepped down as prime minister in December of the following year, and the Liberal party was *reduced to a minority government* in the subsequent election of 2004." Quotes and asterisk mine for clarity and emphasis 174.3.115.13 ( talk) 04:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Table (parliamentary procedure) explains why the word 'tabled' is a tricky one. I've edited this article to use a more universal "presented".-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 14:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
There seems to have been two significant errors made - in good faith.
Error one
Moore does not call for reform. Instead he calls for legislatures to rebuke premiers and prime ministers for abusing Parliament. (Here's a direct quote from Moore: "If our premiers and prime ministers knew that legislatures would rebuke them for abusing Parliament...we would not have to worry about rogue prorogations." )
Yet in this edit (with the edit summary saying "rm subsections, trim redundant") his views are taken out of a section entitled "Historical evolution of the accountability for prorogation in Canada" and put into a section called "Calls for reform in the federal jurisdiction." Again, Moore does not call for reform. Instead, he calls for "rebuking" to take place. "Rebuking" is not the same as constitutional (rule changing) "reform."
Therefore I have recreated the original section, so that Moore is not misrepresented by Wikipedia. In this particular case, for the sake of accuracy, it is impossible to "rm subsections, trim redundant."
Error two
The second error is made (again good faith) in this edit (accompanied by the edit summary "c/e trim excess"):
Before that edit, the Wikipedia article stated this (see last section of edit):
"Hence, according to Moore, "no great web of new legislation or constitutional procedure is needed ...""
After that edit, the Wikipedia article stated the exact opposite, in the following quote (see middle section of edit):
"...Moore suggested new constitutional procedures..."
Therefore, I reverted the Wikipedia article back to the original meaning, so that Moore is not misrepresented by Wikipedia. In this particular case, for the sake of accuracy, it is impossible to "trim excess."
Please be careful. Thanks.
This extra material is worth the space it occupies because it increases the reader's understanding of the topic.
Sincerely, Boyd Reimer ( talk) 13:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I do not see the connection between prorogation and "Legislaturperiode". The link should be deleted. -- Dlugacz ( talk) 10:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
"In the Federal sphere, or Lieutenant Governor, in a province, summons parliamentarians...."
In most of the English-speaking world, the word "parliamentarian" has a completely different meaning that as it was used above. A parliamentarian is an expert on the rules of procedure for any kind of a legislative, congressional, or parliamentary body. Some of those rules could have been laid down by the consitution or laws that apply to that body (e.g. Federal laws, state laws, or provencial laws) and others could be the rules ("by-laws") established by the body itself for its procedures.
Hence, if you wish to confuse MOST of your readers, you can continue to use the word "parliamentarian", but I don't support that at all. In most locations, what you are calling "parliamentarians" are actually called
Members of Parliament,
Senators, Representatives,
Congressmen, and
Legislators. The latter four are especially prevelent in the United States, in
Australia, and in the
States of the United States and the six
States of Australia, and the first one is the prevelent one in the
United Kingdom. I do not know what are the terms in
New Zealand, South Africa, etc., but I know that Canada has Senators. Does Canada also have Representatives, or Members of Parliament?
98.67.110.231 (
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In an interest to increase the accessibility of pertinent information in this article. Why not a bullet list or table to help organize information? Keats87 ( talk) 20:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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In the paragraph I just copy-edited, the link https://montrealgazette.com/news/Only+Canada+Harper+prorogation+Canadian+thing/2448571/story.html appears to be dead. The only archived copy I could find was on archive.is; is this site still blacklisted? I couldn't figure out where to go in the meta pages to answer the question myself 70.24.7.80 ( talk) 15:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The picture with the caption "A march in Vancouver against the second prorogation of the 40th Parliament" could use a little help. The number 40 appears no where in the article, so it's out of context and difficult to put into context. A simple date added to the caption would probably help put it back into context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.255.250 ( talk) 14:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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Boyd Reimer ( talk) 18:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm noticing a slight bias in this article reflecting the media attention to the recent prorogation used by Stephen Harper. Perhaps less emphasis on the act of calling it and more on what prorogation actually does.
Also, previous uses of prorogation could also be added to show this isn't a 'new thing' or gimmick in parliament (the prorogation by Jean Chrétien during the sponsorship scandal rings a bell).
Gripen40k ( talk) 20:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
This article is bias towards the opposition and the negative aspects. Shouldn't Wikipedia be un-bias? Where are the aspects from the Government side and their supporters? This article needs to be corrected. -- Aleeproject ( talk) 04:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this should go under Bias, but in the section on the 2004 election, it was originally "Chrétien stepped down as prime minister in December of the following year, and the Liberal party *lost power* in the subsequent election of 2004." I changed it to add accuracy, "Chrétien stepped down as prime minister in December of the following year, and the Liberal party was *reduced to a minority government* in the subsequent election of 2004." Quotes and asterisk mine for clarity and emphasis 174.3.115.13 ( talk) 04:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Table (parliamentary procedure) explains why the word 'tabled' is a tricky one. I've edited this article to use a more universal "presented".-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 14:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
There seems to have been two significant errors made - in good faith.
Error one
Moore does not call for reform. Instead he calls for legislatures to rebuke premiers and prime ministers for abusing Parliament. (Here's a direct quote from Moore: "If our premiers and prime ministers knew that legislatures would rebuke them for abusing Parliament...we would not have to worry about rogue prorogations." )
Yet in this edit (with the edit summary saying "rm subsections, trim redundant") his views are taken out of a section entitled "Historical evolution of the accountability for prorogation in Canada" and put into a section called "Calls for reform in the federal jurisdiction." Again, Moore does not call for reform. Instead, he calls for "rebuking" to take place. "Rebuking" is not the same as constitutional (rule changing) "reform."
Therefore I have recreated the original section, so that Moore is not misrepresented by Wikipedia. In this particular case, for the sake of accuracy, it is impossible to "rm subsections, trim redundant."
Error two
The second error is made (again good faith) in this edit (accompanied by the edit summary "c/e trim excess"):
Before that edit, the Wikipedia article stated this (see last section of edit):
"Hence, according to Moore, "no great web of new legislation or constitutional procedure is needed ...""
After that edit, the Wikipedia article stated the exact opposite, in the following quote (see middle section of edit):
"...Moore suggested new constitutional procedures..."
Therefore, I reverted the Wikipedia article back to the original meaning, so that Moore is not misrepresented by Wikipedia. In this particular case, for the sake of accuracy, it is impossible to "trim excess."
Please be careful. Thanks.
This extra material is worth the space it occupies because it increases the reader's understanding of the topic.
Sincerely, Boyd Reimer ( talk) 13:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I do not see the connection between prorogation and "Legislaturperiode". The link should be deleted. -- Dlugacz ( talk) 10:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
"In the Federal sphere, or Lieutenant Governor, in a province, summons parliamentarians...."
In most of the English-speaking world, the word "parliamentarian" has a completely different meaning that as it was used above. A parliamentarian is an expert on the rules of procedure for any kind of a legislative, congressional, or parliamentary body. Some of those rules could have been laid down by the consitution or laws that apply to that body (e.g. Federal laws, state laws, or provencial laws) and others could be the rules ("by-laws") established by the body itself for its procedures.
Hence, if you wish to confuse MOST of your readers, you can continue to use the word "parliamentarian", but I don't support that at all. In most locations, what you are calling "parliamentarians" are actually called
Members of Parliament,
Senators, Representatives,
Congressmen, and
Legislators. The latter four are especially prevelent in the United States, in
Australia, and in the
States of the United States and the six
States of Australia, and the first one is the prevelent one in the
United Kingdom. I do not know what are the terms in
New Zealand, South Africa, etc., but I know that Canada has Senators. Does Canada also have Representatives, or Members of Parliament?
98.67.110.231 (
talk) 23:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
In an interest to increase the accessibility of pertinent information in this article. Why not a bullet list or table to help organize information? Keats87 ( talk) 20:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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In the paragraph I just copy-edited, the link https://montrealgazette.com/news/Only+Canada+Harper+prorogation+Canadian+thing/2448571/story.html appears to be dead. The only archived copy I could find was on archive.is; is this site still blacklisted? I couldn't figure out where to go in the meta pages to answer the question myself 70.24.7.80 ( talk) 15:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The picture with the caption "A march in Vancouver against the second prorogation of the 40th Parliament" could use a little help. The number 40 appears no where in the article, so it's out of context and difficult to put into context. A simple date added to the caption would probably help put it back into context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.255.250 ( talk) 14:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)