"This is a one fall match where three wrestlers fight instead of two. The winner of this match is the first wrestler to get a pin fall or submission. What happens in the case of a disqualification is not clear (I've never seen it happen)."
In the event of a disqualification or count-out the match continues with only two legal competitors.
Some missing match types:
Um are these all real? Some look they come from the fictional world of video gamedom. -- 戴眩sv 06:01, Aug 29, 2003 (UTC)
I have also added to the death match type area the Electrified Pool Barbed Wire Rope match. It was fought in FMW during 1992. I have video proof on my computer also if anyone wants conformation. The participants were Gladiator, Mr. Pogo & Hideki Hosaka vs. Gannosuke, Onita & Niyama.
Remember that measurements quoted by announcers (such as "20 feet high") are usually overstated for dramatic effect. Don't take them at face value.
I'll start pages listing throws, holds, etc. soon. -- gwalla
I added a cleanup notice. There's just too many matches under the first main heading. They should be divided into types of matches - submission, hardcore, special stipulation, etc.
I also deleted some "fake" match types. The "David Kara" matchtype was probably fake - for one thing, the only search results Google came up with were two - both link to content from this page. If anyone has evidence on the "School House" one, post it here. -- Jtalledo 23:48, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A lot of these seem redundant. There's several versions of matches that are "no disqualification with gimmick", "strip your opponent", or "get the item to win" with a slightly different gimmick. A lot of them were done only as one-time gimmicks that failed, cheesecake matches involving sub-par women wrestlers with large breasts, or matches that only made sense in context ("I respect you" was only done to put Brian Pillman over. There wasn't even really a match there. It certainly doesn't deserve it's own category, at best it should be a footnote under "I Quit"). A lot of these matches, though, did happen at one time or another. Pro Wresting has never been one to shy away from a bad idea. -- UsaSatsui 09:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've just done a bit of cleanup, but this article is in desperate need of a refactor. The list is enormous, and other than the separation into singles, tag, and "extreme" categories there is almost no order to any of it.
I think we should separate multiple-man melees from the regular singles matches, and also separate stipulations on consequences (such as "I Quit"), which can be applied to basically any sort of rule set, from matches with different rules (such as "no DQ" or "ladder match"). And alphabetize everything within those categories. We can probably also consolidate some match types: "I Quit" and Retirement are almost identical, and the Royal Rumble is just a variant of the classic Battle Royale. — Gwalla | Talk 05:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Some of the matches in here I've never ever heard of, do not cite any actual uses of the terms, and generally seem of dubious veracity. These include the Bar Room Brawl, Dutchess [sic] of Queensberry Rules Match, Good Housekeeping Match, Jailhouse Match, Junkyard Scrap, and White Castle of Fear Match (says it's just a leather strap match, but where does that name come from?). Match types, like everything in Wikipedia, need to be verifiable. Unless we get some cited instances of these match types in actual use (not your favorite e-fed) soon, I'm going to start deleting them.
Most of the "extreme variations" (I still don't like that division) also need cites, as anyone can come up with a 10,000,000 Thumbtack Barbwire Poisoned Katana C4 Ninja Star Elimination Match or whatever. — Gwalla | Talk 03:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't know about the junkyard match. That one might be fake. The same goes for some of the "extreme variations".
McPhail 23:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
I have seen a Lucha en Juala Electrificada match before, it was Chessman and Charly Manson vs. Electro Shock and El Zorro. I think I actually wrote a review for that episode... -- Darren Jowalsen 02:31, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
The C4 match was used in Japan involving mick foley
This article has gotten to be almost unmanageably large. It's time to consider breakouts.
I suggest we break this into separate list articles for singles/three-man matches and melee matches; perhaps the three-man matches (handicap, triple threat, three way dance) should get their own article. Tag team match types should be merged into tag team. Hardcore matches and deathmatches should be merged into hardcore wrestling, as well as any "extreme variations" that we can find citations for. Stipulations (such as "I Quit" and the Luchas de Apuestas) should be broken out into stipulation (professional wrestling). Perhaps cage matches and their variants should be broken out and cage match turned from a redirect into an actual article.
At the very least we need to move this article, as it goes against general article naming conventions. I suggest List of professional wrestling match types or possibly List of types of professional wrestling matches. If we go with the split proposed above, the new title should specify singles matches.
I'm going to start things off by breaking out the tag team matches and adding them to tag team. — Gwalla | Talk 23:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I found out that this match type is found in two different sections of this article at:
Where should it be placed? - User:Scorpion
As Foreign object is an article on foreign objects in wrestling, perhaps more info on matches involving foreign objects should be placed in that article as well. kelvSYC 05:59, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
"You're Fired", "Retirement" and "Pink Slip" should be grouped together. In addition, Clockwork Orange House of Fun should be grouped together with the foreign-objects matches, not extreme matches. -- Kitch 16:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree that this should be made into seperate articles and I think that more match types should have their own articles Petergm 22:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I request that the Elimination Chamber match be added. It is unique and noteworthy.
The elimination chamber used to be a feature article,great,had a lot of detail,showed exactly what happend,trivia,everything you needed to know,then i chek it out and its a (offensive comment removed) stub becouse sir merg-a-lot wants all of wiki to be 1 article.Cash is right,it is so uniqe theres only been 5,thats right 5,1 more than 4,1 less than 6,15 divided by 3,you get it.it is the royal rumble,surviver series, and war games all in one(and in case you didnt notic,they all have ther own pages).in short it should be returned to its former,feature statas(with the tables),its not like ciberspace can't handle an article on the ellimination chamber article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.24.105 ( talk) 01:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
War Games was created AND made famous in The Great American Bash in 1987, and were great in the WrestleWar eras (1991-1992), but Fall Brawl is where it jumped the shark at this point.
I feel that each match here should have a SMALL picture beside it, showing the reader a in depth view of what happens in the match. Most people would think it will clog it up, but if it is a small picture I believe it will make the Wiki better.
-- Terry3k (talk) 24:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I propose that to minimize the junk on this page, that only matches fitting some notability criteria should be included. They include:
Minor variations to standard matches should be included only if they are either a logical extension of the original format (eg. pin only is notable as it is a minor variation to a one-fall), or is notable under the above criteria for different reasons. Notable euphemisms for certain match types (ECW Rules for Hardcoare matches, etc.) should also be included.
If at all, specific dates should not be mentioned, as we are trying to explain how the match would work in general.
Any comments on the above?
kelvSYC 05:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
To reduce the length of the page, we should also adopt that matches that differ in only minor non-wrestling aspects should be considered identical, and should be listed with the more common type of match. Thus, while "No Disqualification" and "Hardcore" remain distinct (due to match flow), we shouldn't list oval cages ("Rage in a Cage") being separate from square cages ("Steel Cage Match") as the only difference is in the shape of the cages. We should not have separate entries for minor variations of the main category of matches, such as "Chair Match" or "Submission Match". kelvSYC 21:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Why was the Tournament Section Removed?
Matches mentioned more than once under different names:
Ambulance Match / Casket Match / Dumpster Match / Last Ride Match
(All pretty much the same thing, just with a different container. Changing the subsection just to "Container match" and giving the difference would make things easier to read.)
Short Leash/Bull Rope
(Exact same thing.)
These matches only happened once and probably won't happen again:
Blood Bath Match
Empty Arena Match
Hangman's Horror Match
"Over the Top, Off with the Top" Match
Special Outside Referee
Jailhouse Match
Kiss My Foot Match
Junkyard Invitational
King of the Road Match
Hog Pen Match
Lion's Den Match
Final Wars Brawl
Football Classic Match
10,000 thumbtacks death match
2/3 Lightube Logcabin Deathmatch
Brimstone Match
Chamber of Horrors
Electric Pool Match
(Don't know what to do with these. Notable ones could be mentioned on the competitors specific pages, non notable ones just mentioned in passing, but they don't need subsections.)
they've already been made leave them, what's wrong with more information Petergm 23:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Matches only used for one specific wrestler:
Casket Match
King Of The Mountain Match
Serengeti Survival Match
(I propose such matches be mentioned on the specific wrestlers page.)
Matches that just don't sound right:
Silver Dollar Match
Taped Fist Match
Bdve
03:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Comments:
kelvSYC 00:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
We should kill any match that has only been done more than once or twice. This should be a page about the general types of matches, not a list of of every match type that has taken place. (see WP:NOT). I took out the Silver Dollar match, as that seems to be a one time thing at a WCW PPV.-- Toffile 01:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is a list of matches I propose eliminating from the article. The criteria is fairly simple. It should be a match that is seen with some regularity, and should be used in multiple promotions. (Only exception is that if it was in a major promotion such as WWF, TNA, or WCW as well as ECW). If it was clearly a variation of another match (We have entries on both a tables match and a double tables...) I suggested we should list it under that match. This is really just an initial trim, the serious reorg and trimming can come after this.
Definitely eliminated
Should be merged
Should be discussed
In fact even more disturbing, I discovered that most of this article is a copyvio of this [3] article from answers.com. If I seem a bit biased against deathmatch wrestling...honestly I really can't see much to list here. It's a niche, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Just link the Deathmatch wrestling here.-- Toffile 03:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC) And as a note, this will collapse this article from being around 80 different types of matches to around 30 types if all suggestions are implemented.-- Toffile 03:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll object to the finisher match, as it has been used on numerous occasions, and it has a notable list of variations. For example, Mark Henry once challenged Viscera in a gorilla slam match (granted it was stupid in the sense that Henry allowed Viscera to win by sitting on the top turnbuckle). Billy Gunn also won a finisher match in the WWE when he used the Fameasser, and so on. As for the others:
Much of the hardcore variations may be moved to hardcore wrestling, although a rewrite of that may probably be needed. kelvSYC 17:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree that you should move deathmatches to hardcore wrestling, but don't delete them only because you dont like them, on a side note the swiming pool match was done twice in fmw.
Is this thing legit? Google turns up nothing, none of the usual places have it listed as anything...If no one objects I'm just gonna trash it - Bdve 21:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Its obviously fake, read the story about the Luchadores... -Terry 4k
where is the ironman match? i think it should be added as the most controversial moment in wretling history happened in one,and while it is not too common,it is not rare either. i would do it if i knew enough... Lord revan 15:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Did a brimstone match ever really happen anywhere? The only reference to it I can find is the fact that it was included in an ECW video game. MattSutton1 19:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
They tried to do a brimstone match but health and safety refused. it wasnt actually lava that was supposed to be on the floor but fire. this was Paul Heyman's attempt at the first Inferno match, then Vince stole the idea and tweeked it so he could use it legally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.79.122 ( talk) 18:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
What is this person doing? They seem to be rearanging things and putting matches in weird places. Care to explain? I really want to revert it all. Bdve 01:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Removing reorg template. This tag is intended as a courtesy to editors actively maintaining the page over a span of minutes/hours. Leaving it on for over 6 months (!) and hundreds of edits is discouraging to others who may want to edit but may hold back. Big changes should always be discussed on talk, and we do have revert tools if there are massive problems. Please don't replace this tag for long periods. -- cmh 22:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Should this be given a section and write up? It's mentioned in passing somewhere but that's it for now. Just an idea. Bdve 02:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This page is quite a mess. There is a HUGE list and a mishmash of "real/common" match types and bizarre one-off match types. Furthermore, all the Tag Team variations are in the Tag Team entry. I think each main section should basically have its own entry, where some can be combined to give the following:
If I get some time, I'll mock up the page and see if it can be better organized...
Davetron5000 12:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Since someone went to a whole lot of trouble to try and keep this off the page, its worth some explanation I guess. Its notiable because its so weird, it did happen (though its almost treated as urban legend) and enough people have heard rumors about it that it deserves to be mentioned somewhere. Its as notaible as descriptions of guys rolling around in glass.
If you search for the term on google, you can still find references to this type of match. 64.12.116.11 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I have it on DVD :) 86.144.38.249 08:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I can't find that this match type is mentioned on this page. However, a reference is made to it on WWE.com: (Regarding Sgt. Slaughter), "including a vicious series of Boot Camp and Steel Cage matches with his rival, the Iron Sheik in the early 1980s.". Does anybody know anything about this match? *Sam* 17:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)*Sam*
Sgt Slaughter faced Triple H on a Raw episode in a Boot Camp Match. Its basically a street fight where only camouflaged weapons can be used. Chyna interefered throwing powder in the eyes of Slaughter and then Triple H took advantage and delivered a Pedigree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.79.122 ( talk) 18:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the Dudley Boys brought Table matches to Japan. That is not true, as the match type was taken from Japan & used by Sabu (and the Public Enemy) in ECW before the Dudley's even existed.
User Bdve ( talk · contribs) reverted some changes I made to the strip matches section. I put the bra and panties match and evening gown into their own sections, better clarifying each. I also made a mention of the kimono match, which he said was irrelevant...but in an article whose soul purpose is to list and define "professional wrestling match types" I see no reason why it shouldn't be at least mentioned and explained (in one sentence) what it is, as it is a variation on the overall strip match.
In addition, the way the section read before I made the changes was confusing, putting the bra and panties match before the tuxedo match, but mentioning it and the evening gown match (which wasn't even mentioned elsewhere) in its description. On top of all this, the language was just plain pedestrian, especially for an article that is supposed to be encyclopædic.
Now, 67.70.131.23 ( talk · contribs) has deleted the entire bra and panties match section, leaving only the tuxedo match, which I think there is no question as to it making the section incomplete.
Before I put all the changes back I would like to hear what everyone else thinks... -- JohnDoe0007 18:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm making quite the overhaul to this article at this present time, my changes are at User:kelvSYC/Professional wrestling match types. Hopefully it would cut the number of matches down to maybe 10 or 12. See it and comment on it. As for this issue, the B&P match is notable and the change by the IP should be reverted. Futhermore, WP:PW clearly defines what is notable for inclusion into this article, and for the strip match, we've agreed that a minor variation in the clothing used is not notable by itself. kelvSYC 04:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I just added a section on TNA's match "House of Fun." I've been meaning to for a while just like I did the Hard Ten match, but seeing it return on the August 9, 2007 episode of Impact motivated me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins ( talk • contribs)
Well it's pretty much a list, so I suggest a rename to a list.
Govvy
13:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Professional wrestling match types to List of professional wrestling match types as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 17:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Who took out "unlucky 13"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.82.251 ( talk) 19:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of WSX's Tables, Ladders, and Cervezas varation of the Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match and shoud it be listed under Tables, Ladders, and Chairs? Gibsonj338 07:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This might just be me, but I find the introduction to this article incredibly pretentious. It doesn't seem like a good way to start an encyclopedic article. I doubt professional wrestling can really be considered as performance art. Skios 21:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
-Oppose-becuase this match is unique and deserves a seperate article due to its long history.-- TrUcO9311 23:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The "Loser Leaves Town" section primarily focuses on the territorial days where wrestlers frequently moved around, which is totally accurate. The question I have is today's variation, where LLT matches are used either to advance storylines (e.g., Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan, although this was from the early 1980s when territorial wrestling was still common) or allow wrestlers to heal from legit injuries, handle real-life issues, take time off, etc. — is there a way we can verify any of that? And if so, are there other names for this (e.g., Vince McMahon's descriptive, a "YOU'RE FIRED!!!" match where the loser supposedly is fired). [[ Briguy52748 15:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)]]
Oppose for the Elimination Chamber and Hell in A Cell, because these matches are too unique not to have their own separate article.-- TrUcO9311 00:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Oppose- This is an Encylopedia. We should be against merging long articles that are full of useful and truthful info into others; this is like asking us to merge all the wrestlemanias into 1 article. If it was up to me, all professional wrestling match types should have their own long articles. Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 18:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment (I already supported in an earlier topic) - These articles have little content besides a list of matches and trivia. All that would be left after removing that would be like 2 paragraphs of description, which can easily be merged. - DrWarpMind 21:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I missed this on ECW. Was it just a container based match? If so should it be given a special mention in that section like the other types (ambulance and casket) as it is slightly different? Black6989 ( talk) 04:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Black6989
Shouldn't the ECW extreme rules match have a mention in the hardcore section. I found a brief mention in the introduction but nothing in the main article. Bam123456789 ( talk) 21:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
A move has been requested here.-- TrU Co -X 18:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm re-adding the Gangsta's Paradise match. It meets the general notability criteria proposed earlier on this talk page:
In short, it's notable. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, doesn't make it not-notable. I've never heard of a "Three Strikes, You're Out" match, a Relay match, or a Football Classic, but I'm not going to delete them, even though each one of those three is completely unreferenced. The reason many internet sites don't list it specifically as a "Gangsta's Paradise match" is because early ECW didn't use on-screen graphics to hype their upcoming matches or display the competitors. Everything was spoken orally. This match type, combined with the Ultimate Jeopardy (War Games) matches, makes up the vast majority of the matches ECW ever had involving a cage.thr
Please remember that WWE does not encompass the whole of professional wrestling.
For reference:
TravelingCat ( talk) 21:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
"This is a one fall match where three wrestlers fight instead of two. The winner of this match is the first wrestler to get a pin fall or submission. What happens in the case of a disqualification is not clear (I've never seen it happen)."
In the event of a disqualification or count-out the match continues with only two legal competitors.
Some missing match types:
Um are these all real? Some look they come from the fictional world of video gamedom. -- 戴眩sv 06:01, Aug 29, 2003 (UTC)
I have also added to the death match type area the Electrified Pool Barbed Wire Rope match. It was fought in FMW during 1992. I have video proof on my computer also if anyone wants conformation. The participants were Gladiator, Mr. Pogo & Hideki Hosaka vs. Gannosuke, Onita & Niyama.
Remember that measurements quoted by announcers (such as "20 feet high") are usually overstated for dramatic effect. Don't take them at face value.
I'll start pages listing throws, holds, etc. soon. -- gwalla
I added a cleanup notice. There's just too many matches under the first main heading. They should be divided into types of matches - submission, hardcore, special stipulation, etc.
I also deleted some "fake" match types. The "David Kara" matchtype was probably fake - for one thing, the only search results Google came up with were two - both link to content from this page. If anyone has evidence on the "School House" one, post it here. -- Jtalledo 23:48, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A lot of these seem redundant. There's several versions of matches that are "no disqualification with gimmick", "strip your opponent", or "get the item to win" with a slightly different gimmick. A lot of them were done only as one-time gimmicks that failed, cheesecake matches involving sub-par women wrestlers with large breasts, or matches that only made sense in context ("I respect you" was only done to put Brian Pillman over. There wasn't even really a match there. It certainly doesn't deserve it's own category, at best it should be a footnote under "I Quit"). A lot of these matches, though, did happen at one time or another. Pro Wresting has never been one to shy away from a bad idea. -- UsaSatsui 09:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've just done a bit of cleanup, but this article is in desperate need of a refactor. The list is enormous, and other than the separation into singles, tag, and "extreme" categories there is almost no order to any of it.
I think we should separate multiple-man melees from the regular singles matches, and also separate stipulations on consequences (such as "I Quit"), which can be applied to basically any sort of rule set, from matches with different rules (such as "no DQ" or "ladder match"). And alphabetize everything within those categories. We can probably also consolidate some match types: "I Quit" and Retirement are almost identical, and the Royal Rumble is just a variant of the classic Battle Royale. — Gwalla | Talk 05:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Some of the matches in here I've never ever heard of, do not cite any actual uses of the terms, and generally seem of dubious veracity. These include the Bar Room Brawl, Dutchess [sic] of Queensberry Rules Match, Good Housekeeping Match, Jailhouse Match, Junkyard Scrap, and White Castle of Fear Match (says it's just a leather strap match, but where does that name come from?). Match types, like everything in Wikipedia, need to be verifiable. Unless we get some cited instances of these match types in actual use (not your favorite e-fed) soon, I'm going to start deleting them.
Most of the "extreme variations" (I still don't like that division) also need cites, as anyone can come up with a 10,000,000 Thumbtack Barbwire Poisoned Katana C4 Ninja Star Elimination Match or whatever. — Gwalla | Talk 03:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't know about the junkyard match. That one might be fake. The same goes for some of the "extreme variations".
McPhail 23:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
I have seen a Lucha en Juala Electrificada match before, it was Chessman and Charly Manson vs. Electro Shock and El Zorro. I think I actually wrote a review for that episode... -- Darren Jowalsen 02:31, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
The C4 match was used in Japan involving mick foley
This article has gotten to be almost unmanageably large. It's time to consider breakouts.
I suggest we break this into separate list articles for singles/three-man matches and melee matches; perhaps the three-man matches (handicap, triple threat, three way dance) should get their own article. Tag team match types should be merged into tag team. Hardcore matches and deathmatches should be merged into hardcore wrestling, as well as any "extreme variations" that we can find citations for. Stipulations (such as "I Quit" and the Luchas de Apuestas) should be broken out into stipulation (professional wrestling). Perhaps cage matches and their variants should be broken out and cage match turned from a redirect into an actual article.
At the very least we need to move this article, as it goes against general article naming conventions. I suggest List of professional wrestling match types or possibly List of types of professional wrestling matches. If we go with the split proposed above, the new title should specify singles matches.
I'm going to start things off by breaking out the tag team matches and adding them to tag team. — Gwalla | Talk 23:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I found out that this match type is found in two different sections of this article at:
Where should it be placed? - User:Scorpion
As Foreign object is an article on foreign objects in wrestling, perhaps more info on matches involving foreign objects should be placed in that article as well. kelvSYC 05:59, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
"You're Fired", "Retirement" and "Pink Slip" should be grouped together. In addition, Clockwork Orange House of Fun should be grouped together with the foreign-objects matches, not extreme matches. -- Kitch 16:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree that this should be made into seperate articles and I think that more match types should have their own articles Petergm 22:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I request that the Elimination Chamber match be added. It is unique and noteworthy.
The elimination chamber used to be a feature article,great,had a lot of detail,showed exactly what happend,trivia,everything you needed to know,then i chek it out and its a (offensive comment removed) stub becouse sir merg-a-lot wants all of wiki to be 1 article.Cash is right,it is so uniqe theres only been 5,thats right 5,1 more than 4,1 less than 6,15 divided by 3,you get it.it is the royal rumble,surviver series, and war games all in one(and in case you didnt notic,they all have ther own pages).in short it should be returned to its former,feature statas(with the tables),its not like ciberspace can't handle an article on the ellimination chamber article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.24.105 ( talk) 01:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
War Games was created AND made famous in The Great American Bash in 1987, and were great in the WrestleWar eras (1991-1992), but Fall Brawl is where it jumped the shark at this point.
I feel that each match here should have a SMALL picture beside it, showing the reader a in depth view of what happens in the match. Most people would think it will clog it up, but if it is a small picture I believe it will make the Wiki better.
-- Terry3k (talk) 24:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I propose that to minimize the junk on this page, that only matches fitting some notability criteria should be included. They include:
Minor variations to standard matches should be included only if they are either a logical extension of the original format (eg. pin only is notable as it is a minor variation to a one-fall), or is notable under the above criteria for different reasons. Notable euphemisms for certain match types (ECW Rules for Hardcoare matches, etc.) should also be included.
If at all, specific dates should not be mentioned, as we are trying to explain how the match would work in general.
Any comments on the above?
kelvSYC 05:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
To reduce the length of the page, we should also adopt that matches that differ in only minor non-wrestling aspects should be considered identical, and should be listed with the more common type of match. Thus, while "No Disqualification" and "Hardcore" remain distinct (due to match flow), we shouldn't list oval cages ("Rage in a Cage") being separate from square cages ("Steel Cage Match") as the only difference is in the shape of the cages. We should not have separate entries for minor variations of the main category of matches, such as "Chair Match" or "Submission Match". kelvSYC 21:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Why was the Tournament Section Removed?
Matches mentioned more than once under different names:
Ambulance Match / Casket Match / Dumpster Match / Last Ride Match
(All pretty much the same thing, just with a different container. Changing the subsection just to "Container match" and giving the difference would make things easier to read.)
Short Leash/Bull Rope
(Exact same thing.)
These matches only happened once and probably won't happen again:
Blood Bath Match
Empty Arena Match
Hangman's Horror Match
"Over the Top, Off with the Top" Match
Special Outside Referee
Jailhouse Match
Kiss My Foot Match
Junkyard Invitational
King of the Road Match
Hog Pen Match
Lion's Den Match
Final Wars Brawl
Football Classic Match
10,000 thumbtacks death match
2/3 Lightube Logcabin Deathmatch
Brimstone Match
Chamber of Horrors
Electric Pool Match
(Don't know what to do with these. Notable ones could be mentioned on the competitors specific pages, non notable ones just mentioned in passing, but they don't need subsections.)
they've already been made leave them, what's wrong with more information Petergm 23:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Matches only used for one specific wrestler:
Casket Match
King Of The Mountain Match
Serengeti Survival Match
(I propose such matches be mentioned on the specific wrestlers page.)
Matches that just don't sound right:
Silver Dollar Match
Taped Fist Match
Bdve
03:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Comments:
kelvSYC 00:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
We should kill any match that has only been done more than once or twice. This should be a page about the general types of matches, not a list of of every match type that has taken place. (see WP:NOT). I took out the Silver Dollar match, as that seems to be a one time thing at a WCW PPV.-- Toffile 01:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is a list of matches I propose eliminating from the article. The criteria is fairly simple. It should be a match that is seen with some regularity, and should be used in multiple promotions. (Only exception is that if it was in a major promotion such as WWF, TNA, or WCW as well as ECW). If it was clearly a variation of another match (We have entries on both a tables match and a double tables...) I suggested we should list it under that match. This is really just an initial trim, the serious reorg and trimming can come after this.
Definitely eliminated
Should be merged
Should be discussed
In fact even more disturbing, I discovered that most of this article is a copyvio of this [3] article from answers.com. If I seem a bit biased against deathmatch wrestling...honestly I really can't see much to list here. It's a niche, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Just link the Deathmatch wrestling here.-- Toffile 03:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC) And as a note, this will collapse this article from being around 80 different types of matches to around 30 types if all suggestions are implemented.-- Toffile 03:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll object to the finisher match, as it has been used on numerous occasions, and it has a notable list of variations. For example, Mark Henry once challenged Viscera in a gorilla slam match (granted it was stupid in the sense that Henry allowed Viscera to win by sitting on the top turnbuckle). Billy Gunn also won a finisher match in the WWE when he used the Fameasser, and so on. As for the others:
Much of the hardcore variations may be moved to hardcore wrestling, although a rewrite of that may probably be needed. kelvSYC 17:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree that you should move deathmatches to hardcore wrestling, but don't delete them only because you dont like them, on a side note the swiming pool match was done twice in fmw.
Is this thing legit? Google turns up nothing, none of the usual places have it listed as anything...If no one objects I'm just gonna trash it - Bdve 21:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Its obviously fake, read the story about the Luchadores... -Terry 4k
where is the ironman match? i think it should be added as the most controversial moment in wretling history happened in one,and while it is not too common,it is not rare either. i would do it if i knew enough... Lord revan 15:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Did a brimstone match ever really happen anywhere? The only reference to it I can find is the fact that it was included in an ECW video game. MattSutton1 19:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
They tried to do a brimstone match but health and safety refused. it wasnt actually lava that was supposed to be on the floor but fire. this was Paul Heyman's attempt at the first Inferno match, then Vince stole the idea and tweeked it so he could use it legally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.79.122 ( talk) 18:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
What is this person doing? They seem to be rearanging things and putting matches in weird places. Care to explain? I really want to revert it all. Bdve 01:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Removing reorg template. This tag is intended as a courtesy to editors actively maintaining the page over a span of minutes/hours. Leaving it on for over 6 months (!) and hundreds of edits is discouraging to others who may want to edit but may hold back. Big changes should always be discussed on talk, and we do have revert tools if there are massive problems. Please don't replace this tag for long periods. -- cmh 22:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Should this be given a section and write up? It's mentioned in passing somewhere but that's it for now. Just an idea. Bdve 02:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This page is quite a mess. There is a HUGE list and a mishmash of "real/common" match types and bizarre one-off match types. Furthermore, all the Tag Team variations are in the Tag Team entry. I think each main section should basically have its own entry, where some can be combined to give the following:
If I get some time, I'll mock up the page and see if it can be better organized...
Davetron5000 12:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Since someone went to a whole lot of trouble to try and keep this off the page, its worth some explanation I guess. Its notiable because its so weird, it did happen (though its almost treated as urban legend) and enough people have heard rumors about it that it deserves to be mentioned somewhere. Its as notaible as descriptions of guys rolling around in glass.
If you search for the term on google, you can still find references to this type of match. 64.12.116.11 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I have it on DVD :) 86.144.38.249 08:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I can't find that this match type is mentioned on this page. However, a reference is made to it on WWE.com: (Regarding Sgt. Slaughter), "including a vicious series of Boot Camp and Steel Cage matches with his rival, the Iron Sheik in the early 1980s.". Does anybody know anything about this match? *Sam* 17:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)*Sam*
Sgt Slaughter faced Triple H on a Raw episode in a Boot Camp Match. Its basically a street fight where only camouflaged weapons can be used. Chyna interefered throwing powder in the eyes of Slaughter and then Triple H took advantage and delivered a Pedigree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.79.122 ( talk) 18:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the Dudley Boys brought Table matches to Japan. That is not true, as the match type was taken from Japan & used by Sabu (and the Public Enemy) in ECW before the Dudley's even existed.
User Bdve ( talk · contribs) reverted some changes I made to the strip matches section. I put the bra and panties match and evening gown into their own sections, better clarifying each. I also made a mention of the kimono match, which he said was irrelevant...but in an article whose soul purpose is to list and define "professional wrestling match types" I see no reason why it shouldn't be at least mentioned and explained (in one sentence) what it is, as it is a variation on the overall strip match.
In addition, the way the section read before I made the changes was confusing, putting the bra and panties match before the tuxedo match, but mentioning it and the evening gown match (which wasn't even mentioned elsewhere) in its description. On top of all this, the language was just plain pedestrian, especially for an article that is supposed to be encyclopædic.
Now, 67.70.131.23 ( talk · contribs) has deleted the entire bra and panties match section, leaving only the tuxedo match, which I think there is no question as to it making the section incomplete.
Before I put all the changes back I would like to hear what everyone else thinks... -- JohnDoe0007 18:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm making quite the overhaul to this article at this present time, my changes are at User:kelvSYC/Professional wrestling match types. Hopefully it would cut the number of matches down to maybe 10 or 12. See it and comment on it. As for this issue, the B&P match is notable and the change by the IP should be reverted. Futhermore, WP:PW clearly defines what is notable for inclusion into this article, and for the strip match, we've agreed that a minor variation in the clothing used is not notable by itself. kelvSYC 04:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I just added a section on TNA's match "House of Fun." I've been meaning to for a while just like I did the Hard Ten match, but seeing it return on the August 9, 2007 episode of Impact motivated me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins ( talk • contribs)
Well it's pretty much a list, so I suggest a rename to a list.
Govvy
13:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Professional wrestling match types to List of professional wrestling match types as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 17:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Who took out "unlucky 13"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.82.251 ( talk) 19:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of WSX's Tables, Ladders, and Cervezas varation of the Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match and shoud it be listed under Tables, Ladders, and Chairs? Gibsonj338 07:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This might just be me, but I find the introduction to this article incredibly pretentious. It doesn't seem like a good way to start an encyclopedic article. I doubt professional wrestling can really be considered as performance art. Skios 21:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
-Oppose-becuase this match is unique and deserves a seperate article due to its long history.-- TrUcO9311 23:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The "Loser Leaves Town" section primarily focuses on the territorial days where wrestlers frequently moved around, which is totally accurate. The question I have is today's variation, where LLT matches are used either to advance storylines (e.g., Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan, although this was from the early 1980s when territorial wrestling was still common) or allow wrestlers to heal from legit injuries, handle real-life issues, take time off, etc. — is there a way we can verify any of that? And if so, are there other names for this (e.g., Vince McMahon's descriptive, a "YOU'RE FIRED!!!" match where the loser supposedly is fired). [[ Briguy52748 15:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)]]
Oppose for the Elimination Chamber and Hell in A Cell, because these matches are too unique not to have their own separate article.-- TrUcO9311 00:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Oppose- This is an Encylopedia. We should be against merging long articles that are full of useful and truthful info into others; this is like asking us to merge all the wrestlemanias into 1 article. If it was up to me, all professional wrestling match types should have their own long articles. Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 18:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment (I already supported in an earlier topic) - These articles have little content besides a list of matches and trivia. All that would be left after removing that would be like 2 paragraphs of description, which can easily be merged. - DrWarpMind 21:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I missed this on ECW. Was it just a container based match? If so should it be given a special mention in that section like the other types (ambulance and casket) as it is slightly different? Black6989 ( talk) 04:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Black6989
Shouldn't the ECW extreme rules match have a mention in the hardcore section. I found a brief mention in the introduction but nothing in the main article. Bam123456789 ( talk) 21:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
A move has been requested here.-- TrU Co -X 18:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm re-adding the Gangsta's Paradise match. It meets the general notability criteria proposed earlier on this talk page:
In short, it's notable. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, doesn't make it not-notable. I've never heard of a "Three Strikes, You're Out" match, a Relay match, or a Football Classic, but I'm not going to delete them, even though each one of those three is completely unreferenced. The reason many internet sites don't list it specifically as a "Gangsta's Paradise match" is because early ECW didn't use on-screen graphics to hype their upcoming matches or display the competitors. Everything was spoken orally. This match type, combined with the Ultimate Jeopardy (War Games) matches, makes up the vast majority of the matches ECW ever had involving a cage.thr
Please remember that WWE does not encompass the whole of professional wrestling.
For reference:
TravelingCat ( talk) 21:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)