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The photo looks to be that of Shashi Kapoor and not of Prithviraj Kapoor. Can somebody verify? - Lost 09:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
No, the photo has a younger Prithviraj Kapoor, of 1929.
Can we use the Non-Free Image File:Prithviraj Kapoor1.jpg in the title of this article? As it is fair use, removing it.-- Vssun ( talk) 05:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I think as a Peshawar resident Prithvi would've been able to speak both Pushto and Urdu. The latter language as the regional language of Punjab, as well as NWFP's education system, would've been his medium of written communication. In fact Prithvi was cast, in films, in roles requiring high classic Urdu given his enunciation and accent. User: Moarrikh 23:22, 24 November 2011
User:Saladin1987 keeps erasing the Pathan/Pashtun references from this article. [1] Before him was the now banned (User:PISCOSOUR786) [2] who was doing the same deleting of Pathan. Every reliable published source I come across mentions that Prithviraj Kapoor was a Pathan/Pashtun. [3] [4]
“ | For this Hindu Pathan family, actors belonged to the 'debauched' world of wandering street performers and nautanki groups, people outside the pale of society. ... He might have had to stand a long time had the gateman of the studio not been a Pathan. Prithvi spoke to him in Pashto. The guard, Behramshah, happy to discover a fellow Pathan, let him in and advised him to stand in line with the extras. | ” |
“ | Prithviraj Kapoor represented the mental make-up of Pathans of North-West Frontier Province through another play called Pathan | ” |
“ | In 1927, Prithviraj Kapoor abandoned his law studies, left his wife and child behind in northwestern border town Peshawar (now in Pakistan) and headed for Bombay. He was 21 years old, and started work as an extra for one rupee a day. Kapoor, a Hindu Pashtun, made it. | ” |
He named one of his earliest plays Pathan, which is the story of a Muslim and his Hindu friend. [5] It is a well established fact that Prithviraj Kapoor was Pathan from Peshawar. The person who keeps deleting/erasing this is obviously showing everyone that she is a racist vandal. It is just a waste of time and future embarrasment for removing this well sourced information from the article.-- Fareed30 ( talk) 03:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
"Baburao, do not provoke this Pathan. If there is no place for me in the Indian films I shall swim across the seven seas to Hollywood and make it there as an actor".
Links for Punjabi ethnicity i will paste for every kapoor seperately
Prithviraj Kapoor : [ [8]][ [9]][ [10]][ [11]] only punjabi films [[Kapoor starred in the legendary religious Punjabi film Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai (1969), a film so revered in Punjab that there were lines many kilometres long to purchase tickets. He also starred in the Punjabi films Nanak Dukhiya Sub Sansar (1970) and Mele Mittran De (1972).]]
Raj Kapoor: [
[12]] In this source it mentions that kapoor house was mini punjab and people were punjabi
[
[13]] here they say lohri was taken very seriously which is exclusivly indian punjabi dance not pathan dance. Also in this articles if you serach punjabi you will find he spoke in punjabi to his daughter in laws also expected punjabi food from them, and also has mentioned various punjabi phrases in this book
Shashi kapoor : [ [14]] over here shashi mentions that his mom use to ask him to write letters to his father in punjabi and he speaks punjabi in the letter too which rejects the idea that he spoke pashto as he was born in pashto and raj kapoor was the only one who was born in peshwar and might have known pashto [ [15]] here its mentioned that he spoke with dilip kumar in peshwari punjabi which is hindko which means he and dilip both spoke hindko and not pashto .. raj kapoor was hindko punjabi
Randhir Kapoor: [ [16]] here randhi kapoor says that he is punjabi deep rooted all his family is. pathan was something culturlaly [ [17]] here randhir kapoor clearly states that they are not pathans from peshwar and are punjabi and are urban people .. meaning they think that pathans are village people or are teh ones who lived in peshwar. he says they are not pathan from peshwar , now if he was ethncially pathan than i think living in city doesnt change the ethnicity
Rishi Kapoor:[ [18]] here both the pathaniyat and punjabiyat have been used for kapoors [ [19]] here he learns punjabi from his aunts meaningg his aunts are all punjabi that is from mother side punjabi orgiin in indian websites and tv channels too [ [20]] all bollywood know that they are punjab with pathan culture if u wana add
Kareena Kapoor Karishma Kapoor: [ [21]] [ [22]] [ [23]] [ [24]] [ [25]] [ [26]] [ [27]] [ [28]] [ [29]]
other links that they were hindko punjabis are
[
[30]]
[[
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/obituary-of-yash — Preceding
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15:43, 20 September 2013 (UTC) Saladin1987 15:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Since Sitush won't get around to looking at the refs for a few days, I hope he won't mind my butting in, nor, I hope will Mr Kapoor. Here are some references of which the first two are most reliable:
My analysis: It seems it is clear that he was born in Lyallpur in the West Punjab, which is almost 200 miles from Peshawar. It also seems reasonably clear that his grandfather was a landowner in Lyallpur. Ethnicity is related to language and culture (not DNA and "looks."). In some of the later references, the "Hindu Pathan," bit is mentioned, although these references are less reliable. (The even later Indian news magazine and newspapers, which I did not bother to quote, and the ones currently in the article, are the least reliable.) An ethnic Pathan, by definition, would need to speak Pashto. If Prithviraj Kapoor's grandfather had emigrated to the Punjab from the NWFP or Afghanistan, then a source will need to establish that the family was Pashto speaking. (Given that the first Census of British India was conducted in 1871, perhaps there is a record somewhere of their names and mother tongues). Otherwise, the notion of Hindu Pathan ancestry, at least from my analysis of the evidence, does not seem credible. Indeed the idea of a Pashto speaking family turning up in Lyallpur ca. 1860s or 70s and becoming landowners (not soon after the NWFP became a part of British India (1849)) is not very credible either (though it is not beyond the pale of the possible). Finally, although this is my personal view, claiming "Pathan" ancestry has been fashionable among both Muslims and (former) Hindus from the West Punjab, especially since 1947. Unless, there is hard evidence, and here there is not, I would not put much stock in it. Bottom line: With the available evidence, we cannot say Prithviraj Kapoor (and by extension his descendants) are of Pathan ancestry. Legends and stories inevitably sprout up around famous personalities. I chalk this ancestry bit up to that. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Let me put it more bluntly, Fareed30. Those edits are not going into the article because they are not based in reliable sources and because they are not relevant. The putative Pathan ancestry of a grandfather who lived in Lyallpur is not relevant to Kapoor's life or career. Let me also suggest, that you not make irrelevant conjectures about a Wikipedia editor's real-life persona. It is an absolute Wikipedia no-no. You try that one more time, and I'll take you to ANI. Don't say you weren't warned. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think we need more time to think. The "Hindu Pathan" is not getting in with the sources that you have thus far supplied. Please take it to ANI. While I'm at it, let me also be clear: the Hindu Pathan bit is an especially insidious kind of nonsense in the Indian context: a large multi-ethnic country with an egalitarian constitution whose citizens come in various shapes and sizes, looks and skin colors, doesn't grant recognition, let alone special privilege, to phenotypical distinctions imagined by a few. Certainly, Wikipedia shouldn't be party to it, even if some gullible Indian journalists are reproducing it. Again, take it to ANI or any other forum, but your edits are unreliable and aren't going in. Goodbye, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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I have used the Britannica citation that was already present in the article to verify the dates of birth and death. People have been fiddling around with these for ages and things had become contradictory. The only other source we had, and that only for his birth, was an article from the New Indian Express - a not terribly reliable publication and one that contradicted also the image of the centenary poster that we show further down the article.
Bearing in mind the many issues found over the years when it comes to detail in the New Indian Express, I have completely removed it from the article. This means that the mention of caste has also gone - it wasn't particularly important anyway and when I started editing here today the article actually mentioned a caste which had no source at all. - Sitush ( talk) 13:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
On 29th May 2018, Prithviraj Kapoor's grandson Rishi Kapoor tweeted his death year to be 1971 and not 1972. Hence, this claim is verified by a family member and not any random publishing house. Thus his year of death should actually be 1971 and not 1972. Vrishchik ( talk) 05:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
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The photo looks to be that of Shashi Kapoor and not of Prithviraj Kapoor. Can somebody verify? - Lost 09:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
No, the photo has a younger Prithviraj Kapoor, of 1929.
Can we use the Non-Free Image File:Prithviraj Kapoor1.jpg in the title of this article? As it is fair use, removing it.-- Vssun ( talk) 05:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I think as a Peshawar resident Prithvi would've been able to speak both Pushto and Urdu. The latter language as the regional language of Punjab, as well as NWFP's education system, would've been his medium of written communication. In fact Prithvi was cast, in films, in roles requiring high classic Urdu given his enunciation and accent. User: Moarrikh 23:22, 24 November 2011
User:Saladin1987 keeps erasing the Pathan/Pashtun references from this article. [1] Before him was the now banned (User:PISCOSOUR786) [2] who was doing the same deleting of Pathan. Every reliable published source I come across mentions that Prithviraj Kapoor was a Pathan/Pashtun. [3] [4]
“ | For this Hindu Pathan family, actors belonged to the 'debauched' world of wandering street performers and nautanki groups, people outside the pale of society. ... He might have had to stand a long time had the gateman of the studio not been a Pathan. Prithvi spoke to him in Pashto. The guard, Behramshah, happy to discover a fellow Pathan, let him in and advised him to stand in line with the extras. | ” |
“ | Prithviraj Kapoor represented the mental make-up of Pathans of North-West Frontier Province through another play called Pathan | ” |
“ | In 1927, Prithviraj Kapoor abandoned his law studies, left his wife and child behind in northwestern border town Peshawar (now in Pakistan) and headed for Bombay. He was 21 years old, and started work as an extra for one rupee a day. Kapoor, a Hindu Pashtun, made it. | ” |
He named one of his earliest plays Pathan, which is the story of a Muslim and his Hindu friend. [5] It is a well established fact that Prithviraj Kapoor was Pathan from Peshawar. The person who keeps deleting/erasing this is obviously showing everyone that she is a racist vandal. It is just a waste of time and future embarrasment for removing this well sourced information from the article.-- Fareed30 ( talk) 03:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
"Baburao, do not provoke this Pathan. If there is no place for me in the Indian films I shall swim across the seven seas to Hollywood and make it there as an actor".
Links for Punjabi ethnicity i will paste for every kapoor seperately
Prithviraj Kapoor : [ [8]][ [9]][ [10]][ [11]] only punjabi films [[Kapoor starred in the legendary religious Punjabi film Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai (1969), a film so revered in Punjab that there were lines many kilometres long to purchase tickets. He also starred in the Punjabi films Nanak Dukhiya Sub Sansar (1970) and Mele Mittran De (1972).]]
Raj Kapoor: [
[12]] In this source it mentions that kapoor house was mini punjab and people were punjabi
[
[13]] here they say lohri was taken very seriously which is exclusivly indian punjabi dance not pathan dance. Also in this articles if you serach punjabi you will find he spoke in punjabi to his daughter in laws also expected punjabi food from them, and also has mentioned various punjabi phrases in this book
Shashi kapoor : [ [14]] over here shashi mentions that his mom use to ask him to write letters to his father in punjabi and he speaks punjabi in the letter too which rejects the idea that he spoke pashto as he was born in pashto and raj kapoor was the only one who was born in peshwar and might have known pashto [ [15]] here its mentioned that he spoke with dilip kumar in peshwari punjabi which is hindko which means he and dilip both spoke hindko and not pashto .. raj kapoor was hindko punjabi
Randhir Kapoor: [ [16]] here randhi kapoor says that he is punjabi deep rooted all his family is. pathan was something culturlaly [ [17]] here randhir kapoor clearly states that they are not pathans from peshwar and are punjabi and are urban people .. meaning they think that pathans are village people or are teh ones who lived in peshwar. he says they are not pathan from peshwar , now if he was ethncially pathan than i think living in city doesnt change the ethnicity
Rishi Kapoor:[ [18]] here both the pathaniyat and punjabiyat have been used for kapoors [ [19]] here he learns punjabi from his aunts meaningg his aunts are all punjabi that is from mother side punjabi orgiin in indian websites and tv channels too [ [20]] all bollywood know that they are punjab with pathan culture if u wana add
Kareena Kapoor Karishma Kapoor: [ [21]] [ [22]] [ [23]] [ [24]] [ [25]] [ [26]] [ [27]] [ [28]] [ [29]]
other links that they were hindko punjabis are
[
[30]]
[[
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/obituary-of-yash — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Saladin1987 (
talk •
contribs)
15:43, 20 September 2013 (UTC) Saladin1987 15:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Since Sitush won't get around to looking at the refs for a few days, I hope he won't mind my butting in, nor, I hope will Mr Kapoor. Here are some references of which the first two are most reliable:
My analysis: It seems it is clear that he was born in Lyallpur in the West Punjab, which is almost 200 miles from Peshawar. It also seems reasonably clear that his grandfather was a landowner in Lyallpur. Ethnicity is related to language and culture (not DNA and "looks."). In some of the later references, the "Hindu Pathan," bit is mentioned, although these references are less reliable. (The even later Indian news magazine and newspapers, which I did not bother to quote, and the ones currently in the article, are the least reliable.) An ethnic Pathan, by definition, would need to speak Pashto. If Prithviraj Kapoor's grandfather had emigrated to the Punjab from the NWFP or Afghanistan, then a source will need to establish that the family was Pashto speaking. (Given that the first Census of British India was conducted in 1871, perhaps there is a record somewhere of their names and mother tongues). Otherwise, the notion of Hindu Pathan ancestry, at least from my analysis of the evidence, does not seem credible. Indeed the idea of a Pashto speaking family turning up in Lyallpur ca. 1860s or 70s and becoming landowners (not soon after the NWFP became a part of British India (1849)) is not very credible either (though it is not beyond the pale of the possible). Finally, although this is my personal view, claiming "Pathan" ancestry has been fashionable among both Muslims and (former) Hindus from the West Punjab, especially since 1947. Unless, there is hard evidence, and here there is not, I would not put much stock in it. Bottom line: With the available evidence, we cannot say Prithviraj Kapoor (and by extension his descendants) are of Pathan ancestry. Legends and stories inevitably sprout up around famous personalities. I chalk this ancestry bit up to that. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Let me put it more bluntly, Fareed30. Those edits are not going into the article because they are not based in reliable sources and because they are not relevant. The putative Pathan ancestry of a grandfather who lived in Lyallpur is not relevant to Kapoor's life or career. Let me also suggest, that you not make irrelevant conjectures about a Wikipedia editor's real-life persona. It is an absolute Wikipedia no-no. You try that one more time, and I'll take you to ANI. Don't say you weren't warned. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think we need more time to think. The "Hindu Pathan" is not getting in with the sources that you have thus far supplied. Please take it to ANI. While I'm at it, let me also be clear: the Hindu Pathan bit is an especially insidious kind of nonsense in the Indian context: a large multi-ethnic country with an egalitarian constitution whose citizens come in various shapes and sizes, looks and skin colors, doesn't grant recognition, let alone special privilege, to phenotypical distinctions imagined by a few. Certainly, Wikipedia shouldn't be party to it, even if some gullible Indian journalists are reproducing it. Again, take it to ANI or any other forum, but your edits are unreliable and aren't going in. Goodbye, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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I have used the Britannica citation that was already present in the article to verify the dates of birth and death. People have been fiddling around with these for ages and things had become contradictory. The only other source we had, and that only for his birth, was an article from the New Indian Express - a not terribly reliable publication and one that contradicted also the image of the centenary poster that we show further down the article.
Bearing in mind the many issues found over the years when it comes to detail in the New Indian Express, I have completely removed it from the article. This means that the mention of caste has also gone - it wasn't particularly important anyway and when I started editing here today the article actually mentioned a caste which had no source at all. - Sitush ( talk) 13:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
On 29th May 2018, Prithviraj Kapoor's grandson Rishi Kapoor tweeted his death year to be 1971 and not 1972. Hence, this claim is verified by a family member and not any random publishing house. Thus his year of death should actually be 1971 and not 1972. Vrishchik ( talk) 05:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)