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I'm not convinced that the cited passage of Led Zep's song is a real example of print-through. Given that it's only audible in that portion and affects only the vocals (despite that there's a very loud burst of guitar in there), I'd be more inclined to believe it was an intentional effect. In fact I'm not even sure the pre-echo matches the main vocal, the delay between phrases seems to change. Chris 07:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, how can I prevent "pre-echo" (due to print-through) on cassette tapes? I understand the pros store their reels "tails out", but what's the cassette equivalent?
On a multitrack cassette tape, should I rewind all the way or fast forward all the way before storing?
I think the answers to these questions would make fine additions to the article.
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--- That's interesting!!! I thought (I guess incorrectly) that one reel would cause a pre-echo and the other reel would cause a post-echo. But *both* reels would produce a pre-echo?? Weird!
Very very interesting!!! Thank you so much for your insight. You really know what you're talking about and should expand the article to include this info. ALSO, are you a Usenet fan? You should bring this up in rec.audio.pro and discuss this because they seem to believe in the superstition we're talking about (pre vs. post echo).
Hey I just thought of something (to add to this post/pre-echo discussion). What if there is some kind of protective layer on one side of the tape? I'm sure reels must do this; I think TDK cassettes used to, but I don't know if they do anymore. Would this make a significant difference? Breaky McWind 20:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Printing on paper, print-through is the visibility of the opposite page, a common issue in newsprint. That's probably the first use of the term, shouldn't it appear ? PolBr ( talk) 08:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
There’s a wealth of information here about cause, physical description, and solution, but not one example of what the phenomenon sounds like. Can someone with expertise please provide a description or, better, an audio clip? PacificBoy 01:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Aren't there any approaches yet for plugins or software filters to eliminate the print-through copy effect? Once you define the time shift manually and also the approximate level, phase inversion could cancel the echo within a limited range. Of course, the time shift varies as the wound tape diameter increases, hence it might take K.I. algorithms to track the ghost copy. I can't believe there is no R&D for this? 95.116.33.226 ( talk) 19:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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I'm not convinced that the cited passage of Led Zep's song is a real example of print-through. Given that it's only audible in that portion and affects only the vocals (despite that there's a very loud burst of guitar in there), I'd be more inclined to believe it was an intentional effect. In fact I'm not even sure the pre-echo matches the main vocal, the delay between phrases seems to change. Chris 07:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, how can I prevent "pre-echo" (due to print-through) on cassette tapes? I understand the pros store their reels "tails out", but what's the cassette equivalent?
On a multitrack cassette tape, should I rewind all the way or fast forward all the way before storing?
I think the answers to these questions would make fine additions to the article.
---
--- That's interesting!!! I thought (I guess incorrectly) that one reel would cause a pre-echo and the other reel would cause a post-echo. But *both* reels would produce a pre-echo?? Weird!
Very very interesting!!! Thank you so much for your insight. You really know what you're talking about and should expand the article to include this info. ALSO, are you a Usenet fan? You should bring this up in rec.audio.pro and discuss this because they seem to believe in the superstition we're talking about (pre vs. post echo).
Hey I just thought of something (to add to this post/pre-echo discussion). What if there is some kind of protective layer on one side of the tape? I'm sure reels must do this; I think TDK cassettes used to, but I don't know if they do anymore. Would this make a significant difference? Breaky McWind 20:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Printing on paper, print-through is the visibility of the opposite page, a common issue in newsprint. That's probably the first use of the term, shouldn't it appear ? PolBr ( talk) 08:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
There’s a wealth of information here about cause, physical description, and solution, but not one example of what the phenomenon sounds like. Can someone with expertise please provide a description or, better, an audio clip? PacificBoy 01:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Aren't there any approaches yet for plugins or software filters to eliminate the print-through copy effect? Once you define the time shift manually and also the approximate level, phase inversion could cancel the echo within a limited range. Of course, the time shift varies as the wound tape diameter increases, hence it might take K.I. algorithms to track the ghost copy. I can't believe there is no R&D for this? 95.116.33.226 ( talk) 19:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)