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We go lowercase, if there's the prefix "the". Otherwise, we capitalise.
GoodDay ( talk) 19:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
When a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office, e.g., the Queen, not the queen (referring to Elizabeth II). This has a definite article but is capitalised because it meets the definition:
where the position/office is a globally unique title that is the subject itself, and that, to my mind, is normal English usage. I am not going to worry too much about what consensus decides here, but I note that as we have it, there is a glaring inconsistency:
Since 1301, the prince of Wales has been the heir apparent of the King or Queen Regnant of England
Would this addition to the lead be agreeable?
The last native Princess of
Wales was Eleanor de Montfort, following the killing of
Llywelyn ap Gruffydd by English soldiers.
[1] The first English Prince of Wales was then appointed heir apparent of the English crown was appointed after Llywelyn ap Gruffydd was killed.
[2] The title has also been retroactively used for the spouse of native Prince of Wales
Owain Glyndwr, who later led the
Welsh Revolt against
English rule in Wales.
[3]
[4] The current title-holder is
Catherine, wife of
William, Prince of Wales, heir apparent of the British monarchy.
[1]
Thanks Titus Gold ( talk) 16:15, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
References
:3
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).The title is more recognised as being associated with the wife of the Prince of Wales (i.e. post-1301). I see no reason why, we should over-emphasise the pre-1301 history. GoodDay ( talk) 19:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Even after heavy editing, the section seems unnecessarily detailed. The page's main focus should be the present use of the title, not its brief use some 700 years ago as certain biased editors seem to think. Only two of the women mentioned are definitely shown to have been called 'princess of Wales', but the section contains short summaries about other four other women who are proposed by modern historians to have been princesses of Wales with little to no proof. Hanna.paml ( talk) 18:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I meant three*, but my point still stands. The article is quite biased with a big focus on what the title might have been more than half a millenium ago, while what it has been for the past 700 years seems like an afterthought. Hanna.paml ( talk) 18:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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should the intro be reworded as is sounds like the wife of the heir apparent is always Princess of Wales when in reality is only such when her husband is appointed Prince of Wales? Jord656 ( talk) 17:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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We go lowercase, if there's the prefix "the". Otherwise, we capitalise.
GoodDay ( talk) 19:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
When a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office, e.g., the Queen, not the queen (referring to Elizabeth II). This has a definite article but is capitalised because it meets the definition:
where the position/office is a globally unique title that is the subject itself, and that, to my mind, is normal English usage. I am not going to worry too much about what consensus decides here, but I note that as we have it, there is a glaring inconsistency:
Since 1301, the prince of Wales has been the heir apparent of the King or Queen Regnant of England
Would this addition to the lead be agreeable?
The last native Princess of
Wales was Eleanor de Montfort, following the killing of
Llywelyn ap Gruffydd by English soldiers.
[1] The first English Prince of Wales was then appointed heir apparent of the English crown was appointed after Llywelyn ap Gruffydd was killed.
[2] The title has also been retroactively used for the spouse of native Prince of Wales
Owain Glyndwr, who later led the
Welsh Revolt against
English rule in Wales.
[3]
[4] The current title-holder is
Catherine, wife of
William, Prince of Wales, heir apparent of the British monarchy.
[1]
Thanks Titus Gold ( talk) 16:15, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
References
:3
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).The title is more recognised as being associated with the wife of the Prince of Wales (i.e. post-1301). I see no reason why, we should over-emphasise the pre-1301 history. GoodDay ( talk) 19:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Even after heavy editing, the section seems unnecessarily detailed. The page's main focus should be the present use of the title, not its brief use some 700 years ago as certain biased editors seem to think. Only two of the women mentioned are definitely shown to have been called 'princess of Wales', but the section contains short summaries about other four other women who are proposed by modern historians to have been princesses of Wales with little to no proof. Hanna.paml ( talk) 18:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I meant three*, but my point still stands. The article is quite biased with a big focus on what the title might have been more than half a millenium ago, while what it has been for the past 700 years seems like an afterthought. Hanna.paml ( talk) 18:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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should the intro be reworded as is sounds like the wife of the heir apparent is always Princess of Wales when in reality is only such when her husband is appointed Prince of Wales? Jord656 ( talk) 17:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)