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Article name has Marie but article uses Maria throughout. Tacyarg ( talk) 18:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn DrKay ( talk) 11:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Princess Marie of Romania → Princess Maria of Romania – It's her name in Romania. DrKay ( talk) 21:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. – Ammarpad ( talk) 13:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus ( non-admin closure) Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 20:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Princess Marie of Romania → Princess Marie of Romania (born 1964) – Is she the primary topic for the current article title, or should the page be disambiguated? DrKay ( talk) 11:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 16:50, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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This article primarily cites the Romanian ex-royal family's blog and official website. If more independent sources can't be found, I would suggest this article be merged with her father's. JoelleJay ( talk) 08:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
There are plenty of articles about her in Romanian news websites if you search for ‘Principesa Maria a Romaniei’ as well as credible blogs, such as RoyalMusings. [1] You will also find that they are not an ex royal family, but still are a royal family which is recognised by the republic hence the status given to the royal family of being an official institution of Romania as well as the Romanian government styling and titling its members with their royal titles and styles. [2]
^unsigned comment by 148.252.132.141
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As this person was born after the abolition of the monarchy in Romania should we describe her as a princess? PatGallacher ( talk) 18:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
There are a number of issues in my recent revert, I will explain this:-
1. For better or worse the relevant disambiguation page is at Marie, if you disagree raise it there.
2. The Roman Catholic church, the world's largest Christian church, recognises any baptism carried out in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure what the doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church is, but it is unclear that you are baptised in a specific denomination, you could just be baptised as a Christian, at least in the absence of references or clarification.
3. At present the succession to the British throne is vested in the Protestant descendants of Sophia of Hanover, so as she is Eastern Orthodox I question if she was ever in the line. The source from Nick Clegg says nothing about this.
4. There has been a good deal of discussion of this on Wikipedia recently, we reject using these alleged lines of succession to defunct thrones. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
I am not disputing that the Perth Agreement put those people married to Catholics back in the line of succession. However this does not address the issue of whether as Eastern Orthodox she was ever in the line of succession. I remember some years ago we had a dispute about whether we should extend the line of succession to the British throne beyond the version on the British monarchy website. One reason was that were some disagreements about whether Eastern Orthodox Christians were in the line of succession. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Until then, do read the Line of Succession to the British & British Commonwealth Thrones
I have had a look a this. It is a self-published article, and I don't think it attempts to address who is excluded in religious grounds. However if you consult the text of the Act of Succession [2] it explicitly does mention the Protestant succession. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
This is getting rather complicated, we could be discussing 4 issues at once. DrKay seems to agree with me on 2 of the points I raised above, not on the other 2, not sure why. Also, looking at wargs.com, it has King Carol II of Romania's first marriage to Zizi Lambrino as valid and his 2nd and 3rd marriages as bigamous, so Princess Marie is not in the line of succession to the British throne regardless of religious issues. Not saying I necessarily agree with this view, but an example of how we could be getting into original research. PatGallacher ( talk) 21:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 20:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Princess Marie of Romania → Princess Marie of Romania (born 1964) – She is a somewhat obscure pretend royal whose article was at one point deleted as she was so unnotable. She is not the primary topic either by pageviews or google search. The phrase 'Princess Marie of Romania' much more frequently refers to the real princesses of that name before they became queens. Move and redirect current title to Marie of Romania or Marie of Romania (disambiguation). DrKay ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Princess Sophie of Romania which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 23:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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Article name has Marie but article uses Maria throughout. Tacyarg ( talk) 18:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn DrKay ( talk) 11:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Princess Marie of Romania → Princess Maria of Romania – It's her name in Romania. DrKay ( talk) 21:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. – Ammarpad ( talk) 13:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus ( non-admin closure) Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 20:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Princess Marie of Romania → Princess Marie of Romania (born 1964) – Is she the primary topic for the current article title, or should the page be disambiguated? DrKay ( talk) 11:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 16:50, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
WP:BLPSELFPUB states (bolding mine):
There are living persons who publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if:
- it is not unduly self-serving;
- it does not involve claims about third parties;
- it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
- there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and
- the article is not based primarily on such sources.
This article primarily cites the Romanian ex-royal family's blog and official website. If more independent sources can't be found, I would suggest this article be merged with her father's. JoelleJay ( talk) 08:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
There are plenty of articles about her in Romanian news websites if you search for ‘Principesa Maria a Romaniei’ as well as credible blogs, such as RoyalMusings. [1] You will also find that they are not an ex royal family, but still are a royal family which is recognised by the republic hence the status given to the royal family of being an official institution of Romania as well as the Romanian government styling and titling its members with their royal titles and styles. [2]
^unsigned comment by 148.252.132.141
Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.Even for non-BLP articles, RoyalMusings is not a credible source.
Material available from sources that are self-published, primary sources, or biased because of a conflict of interest can play a role in writing an article, but it must be possible to source the information that establishes the subject's real-world notability to independent, third-party sources.
Articles should be based upon reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
As this person was born after the abolition of the monarchy in Romania should we describe her as a princess? PatGallacher ( talk) 18:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
There are a number of issues in my recent revert, I will explain this:-
1. For better or worse the relevant disambiguation page is at Marie, if you disagree raise it there.
2. The Roman Catholic church, the world's largest Christian church, recognises any baptism carried out in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure what the doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church is, but it is unclear that you are baptised in a specific denomination, you could just be baptised as a Christian, at least in the absence of references or clarification.
3. At present the succession to the British throne is vested in the Protestant descendants of Sophia of Hanover, so as she is Eastern Orthodox I question if she was ever in the line. The source from Nick Clegg says nothing about this.
4. There has been a good deal of discussion of this on Wikipedia recently, we reject using these alleged lines of succession to defunct thrones. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
I am not disputing that the Perth Agreement put those people married to Catholics back in the line of succession. However this does not address the issue of whether as Eastern Orthodox she was ever in the line of succession. I remember some years ago we had a dispute about whether we should extend the line of succession to the British throne beyond the version on the British monarchy website. One reason was that were some disagreements about whether Eastern Orthodox Christians were in the line of succession. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Until then, do read the Line of Succession to the British & British Commonwealth Thrones
I have had a look a this. It is a self-published article, and I don't think it attempts to address who is excluded in religious grounds. However if you consult the text of the Act of Succession [2] it explicitly does mention the Protestant succession. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
This is getting rather complicated, we could be discussing 4 issues at once. DrKay seems to agree with me on 2 of the points I raised above, not on the other 2, not sure why. Also, looking at wargs.com, it has King Carol II of Romania's first marriage to Zizi Lambrino as valid and his 2nd and 3rd marriages as bigamous, so Princess Marie is not in the line of succession to the British throne regardless of religious issues. Not saying I necessarily agree with this view, but an example of how we could be getting into original research. PatGallacher ( talk) 21:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 20:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Princess Marie of Romania → Princess Marie of Romania (born 1964) – She is a somewhat obscure pretend royal whose article was at one point deleted as she was so unnotable. She is not the primary topic either by pageviews or google search. The phrase 'Princess Marie of Romania' much more frequently refers to the real princesses of that name before they became queens. Move and redirect current title to Marie of Romania or Marie of Romania (disambiguation). DrKay ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Princess Sophie of Romania which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 23:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)