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Accused by Humanité newspaper, the French Communist Party Organ???? This is really serious, terrible! How will she ever get over this? Wow! How awful! Poor woman. Arkadiam 21:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Former organ. The political affiliation of the newspaper is, anyways, irrelevant. The newspaper report had quoted the AFP press agency: "puisqu’une très sérieuse dépêche AFP d’hier annonce (...)." Stefanp 21:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[ [1]] and [ [2]] among other wikipedia pages. Arkadiam 10:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Translation of the pertinent fragment from "Blackberry Juice" (in Romanian), Gandul, June 21, 2006: "Although it is known that some of the rust of the British frigates ended up in the pockets of the royal family of Hohenzollern, the Romanian authorities rushed to muzzle the affair. Because, as a two penny nation, we have groveled so much before a king crushed by history, that after we had "forgiven" him for his father's mistakes, for his flirting with the fascist salute, and for the "Pobeda" order of daddy Stalin, we didn't shy away from calling "highness" even an eater of public funds, through whose veins a blackberry ("duda" in Romanian) juice runs." It is clear that the fragment speaks of that royal family of Hohenzollern to which both Radu Duda and King Michael - who ruled under the Nazis, was decorated by Stalin, and whose father, King Carol II, made the mistakes of giving away Bessarabia, Bucovina, and the NV of Transylvania without a fight - belong: the Romanian royal family. Ergo, it is Princess Margarita's family which is being discussed in the article, not another. Stefanp 23:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
It is beyond doubt the author spoke of the only royal family of H., the Romanian one, given that: 1. the second sentence "Because..." which explains the first one about the H. family, makes direct or indirect references to two of its members: Radu Duda and King Michael, 2. there is no mention whatsoever of Germany in the entire article. Stefanp 10:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was concensus in opposition to the move. JPG-GR ( talk) 01:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Princess Margarita of Romania → Princess Margareta of Romania — The Romanian version of the name appears to be Margareta, and the Romanian Royal Family's website refers to her as Margareta. I've seen it spelled Margarita in previous sources, but if Margareta is the way her name is spelled according to her family, then this should be at that version. Her sisters Elena and Irina are not at Helen/Irene, and I've just moved Sophie to Sofia, but this move might be controversial. — Morhange ( talk) 03:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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As she was born after Romania became a republic, should we calling her a princess? PatGallacher ( talk) 16:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Margarita Duda or Margarita Hohenzollern are possibilities. See Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Alleged princes. PatGallacher ( talk) 22:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The Romanian Wikipedia has her at Princess Margaret of Romania, the French and Spanish have her at Margaret of Romania, and the German and Hungarian have her at Margaret von Hohenzollern-Singaren. PatGallacher ( talk) 18:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The article alternately referred to Margareta's paternal grandmother during her old age as "Queen Mother Helen" and as "Princess Helen". After I made the references uniform by eliminating "Princess", a new version was substituted yesterday, "Princess Helen, Queen Mother", which is jarringly confusing to English readers. While she may have been called "Princess Helen" later in life (as Beatrix, Queen of the Netherlands has assumed the style of " Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands" after abdication) the two titles are never combined in official English usage, and I did not find them combined in reliable sources. If anything, the unexplained (because unsourced) and incongruous combination suggests to the encyclopedia's reader an error in the text. Moreover, my use of the shortened form of that title, i.e., "Queen Helen", was also expunged, with the notation that she was never Queen (because Carol II of Romania had renounced his succession rights as crown prince before the death of his father, King Ferdinand in July 1927, so that Helen's six year-old son, Michael, became King, and before Carol took the crown from Michael in June 1930, he was divorced from Helen {June 1928}). Yet according to the chapter on Romania in Valynseele's Les Prétendants aux Trones d'Europe 1967, p. 332, once enthroned King Carol authorised his ex-wife to be known as Her Majesty and "Queen Helen": Both the most authoritative reference on royal and noble titles in English, Burke's, and Badts' Le Petit Gotha agree with Valynseele, styling her as " HM Queen Helen the Queen Mother of Romania". On another point, both sources also give the "name" of King Michael's eldest daughter, the subject of this article, simply as "Margareta" (this article uniformly uses the Romanian variant of the name, pursuant to the Move Request discussion shown above). But in the article's infobox slot for "name", "Crown Princess Margareta, had been inserted, redundantly appearing in the infobox as "Crown Princess Margareta, Crown Princess of Romania, Custodian of the Romanian Crown" (combining, where "name" is called for, a title of pretence as well as a confusing claim to authority since, at this writing, King Michael is still alive and has not officially delegated any dynastic authority he claims to anyone else). Finally, when I added to the article the maiden name of Margareta's mother, Princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma, this was deleted (as was that of her maternal grandmother, Princess Margrethe of Denmark, provided as context for the childhood holidays that Margareta spent in Copenhagen with grandparents who, as members of the deposed House of Bourbon-Parma, never lived in Italy but often dwelt in the grandmother's native country. Identifying the family names of a Queen's mother and grandmother in the body of her bio is usual when both are of royal birth. I have restored names and titles to the article in accordance with standard usage and cited references. FactStraight ( talk) 05:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Should we now put in the intro, that she's the disputed pretender to the defunct throne? GoodDay ( talk) 15:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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Margaret's pretense title is Queen of Romania. GoodDay ( talk) 17:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Who could have replaced her in the line of succession? Yes, it's moot now, but the words are not the same. See Heir presumptive -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 21:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Do we need that whole Foreign Relations Section? or at least can we cut all of those lists of Offical visits she been on, welcomed, royal events she's attended, etc. Arg Matey ( talk) 22:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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She is styled as Her Majesty Margareta, Custodian of the Crown of Romania in the website of UK ROYAL: http://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/romania/her-majesty-queen-margareta-custodian-of-the-crown-speaks-to-romanian-parliament-93204 and in her own website: http://www.romaniaregala.ro/jurnal/margareta-custodian-of-the-romanian-crown-addressed-the-parliament-in-solemn-session/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonarchyLover ( talk • contribs) 14:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
In the template of wikipedia, appears that she is CROWN PRINCESS OF ROMANIA. She use the title in pretense of Queen, thereby in the template should appears the title of QUEEN TITULAR OF ROMANIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonarchyLover ( talk • contribs) 14:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
IMHO, the article title should be Princess Margareta of Romania. GoodDay ( talk) 21:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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Accused by Humanité newspaper, the French Communist Party Organ???? This is really serious, terrible! How will she ever get over this? Wow! How awful! Poor woman. Arkadiam 21:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Former organ. The political affiliation of the newspaper is, anyways, irrelevant. The newspaper report had quoted the AFP press agency: "puisqu’une très sérieuse dépêche AFP d’hier annonce (...)." Stefanp 21:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[ [1]] and [ [2]] among other wikipedia pages. Arkadiam 10:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Translation of the pertinent fragment from "Blackberry Juice" (in Romanian), Gandul, June 21, 2006: "Although it is known that some of the rust of the British frigates ended up in the pockets of the royal family of Hohenzollern, the Romanian authorities rushed to muzzle the affair. Because, as a two penny nation, we have groveled so much before a king crushed by history, that after we had "forgiven" him for his father's mistakes, for his flirting with the fascist salute, and for the "Pobeda" order of daddy Stalin, we didn't shy away from calling "highness" even an eater of public funds, through whose veins a blackberry ("duda" in Romanian) juice runs." It is clear that the fragment speaks of that royal family of Hohenzollern to which both Radu Duda and King Michael - who ruled under the Nazis, was decorated by Stalin, and whose father, King Carol II, made the mistakes of giving away Bessarabia, Bucovina, and the NV of Transylvania without a fight - belong: the Romanian royal family. Ergo, it is Princess Margarita's family which is being discussed in the article, not another. Stefanp 23:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
It is beyond doubt the author spoke of the only royal family of H., the Romanian one, given that: 1. the second sentence "Because..." which explains the first one about the H. family, makes direct or indirect references to two of its members: Radu Duda and King Michael, 2. there is no mention whatsoever of Germany in the entire article. Stefanp 10:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was concensus in opposition to the move. JPG-GR ( talk) 01:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Princess Margarita of Romania → Princess Margareta of Romania — The Romanian version of the name appears to be Margareta, and the Romanian Royal Family's website refers to her as Margareta. I've seen it spelled Margarita in previous sources, but if Margareta is the way her name is spelled according to her family, then this should be at that version. Her sisters Elena and Irina are not at Helen/Irene, and I've just moved Sophie to Sofia, but this move might be controversial. — Morhange ( talk) 03:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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As she was born after Romania became a republic, should we calling her a princess? PatGallacher ( talk) 16:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Margarita Duda or Margarita Hohenzollern are possibilities. See Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Alleged princes. PatGallacher ( talk) 22:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The Romanian Wikipedia has her at Princess Margaret of Romania, the French and Spanish have her at Margaret of Romania, and the German and Hungarian have her at Margaret von Hohenzollern-Singaren. PatGallacher ( talk) 18:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The article alternately referred to Margareta's paternal grandmother during her old age as "Queen Mother Helen" and as "Princess Helen". After I made the references uniform by eliminating "Princess", a new version was substituted yesterday, "Princess Helen, Queen Mother", which is jarringly confusing to English readers. While she may have been called "Princess Helen" later in life (as Beatrix, Queen of the Netherlands has assumed the style of " Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands" after abdication) the two titles are never combined in official English usage, and I did not find them combined in reliable sources. If anything, the unexplained (because unsourced) and incongruous combination suggests to the encyclopedia's reader an error in the text. Moreover, my use of the shortened form of that title, i.e., "Queen Helen", was also expunged, with the notation that she was never Queen (because Carol II of Romania had renounced his succession rights as crown prince before the death of his father, King Ferdinand in July 1927, so that Helen's six year-old son, Michael, became King, and before Carol took the crown from Michael in June 1930, he was divorced from Helen {June 1928}). Yet according to the chapter on Romania in Valynseele's Les Prétendants aux Trones d'Europe 1967, p. 332, once enthroned King Carol authorised his ex-wife to be known as Her Majesty and "Queen Helen": Both the most authoritative reference on royal and noble titles in English, Burke's, and Badts' Le Petit Gotha agree with Valynseele, styling her as " HM Queen Helen the Queen Mother of Romania". On another point, both sources also give the "name" of King Michael's eldest daughter, the subject of this article, simply as "Margareta" (this article uniformly uses the Romanian variant of the name, pursuant to the Move Request discussion shown above). But in the article's infobox slot for "name", "Crown Princess Margareta, had been inserted, redundantly appearing in the infobox as "Crown Princess Margareta, Crown Princess of Romania, Custodian of the Romanian Crown" (combining, where "name" is called for, a title of pretence as well as a confusing claim to authority since, at this writing, King Michael is still alive and has not officially delegated any dynastic authority he claims to anyone else). Finally, when I added to the article the maiden name of Margareta's mother, Princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma, this was deleted (as was that of her maternal grandmother, Princess Margrethe of Denmark, provided as context for the childhood holidays that Margareta spent in Copenhagen with grandparents who, as members of the deposed House of Bourbon-Parma, never lived in Italy but often dwelt in the grandmother's native country. Identifying the family names of a Queen's mother and grandmother in the body of her bio is usual when both are of royal birth. I have restored names and titles to the article in accordance with standard usage and cited references. FactStraight ( talk) 05:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Should we now put in the intro, that she's the disputed pretender to the defunct throne? GoodDay ( talk) 15:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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Margaret's pretense title is Queen of Romania. GoodDay ( talk) 17:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Who could have replaced her in the line of succession? Yes, it's moot now, but the words are not the same. See Heir presumptive -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 21:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Do we need that whole Foreign Relations Section? or at least can we cut all of those lists of Offical visits she been on, welcomed, royal events she's attended, etc. Arg Matey ( talk) 22:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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She is styled as Her Majesty Margareta, Custodian of the Crown of Romania in the website of UK ROYAL: http://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/romania/her-majesty-queen-margareta-custodian-of-the-crown-speaks-to-romanian-parliament-93204 and in her own website: http://www.romaniaregala.ro/jurnal/margareta-custodian-of-the-romanian-crown-addressed-the-parliament-in-solemn-session/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonarchyLover ( talk • contribs) 14:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
In the template of wikipedia, appears that she is CROWN PRINCESS OF ROMANIA. She use the title in pretense of Queen, thereby in the template should appears the title of QUEEN TITULAR OF ROMANIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonarchyLover ( talk • contribs) 14:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
IMHO, the article title should be Princess Margareta of Romania. GoodDay ( talk) 21:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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