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Despite the length of this article, many important sections and contents expected from any Wikipedia article are simply missing, such as:
This article is little more than an indiscriminate list of how old one has to be to go to which class in which country. Apparently everyone who noticed their country to be missing in the list felt the need to be "represented". Instead of giving an encyclopedic view of the topic, it is merely a collection of random very specific information. I have visited this page multiple times and it has gotten worse with time. Geeteshgadkari ( talk) 17:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
why "K12"? what does it stand for?
"kindergarten through twelfth grade"
The Elementary school section there seems a bit odd - I can't quite tell whether it's basically covering similar ground to the rest of the article, and should be integrated more smoothly; or whether it is something different but the distinction isn't clear enough. It looks to have been added from a stub somewhere, and subsequently ignored. I'd try and fix it, but not being American I genuinely don't know what it's talking about. I'm assuming the system described is that of the USA, although that is currently unclear. Anyone care to lend a hand? - IMSoP 00:02, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Please see my comments below in the Grade School section. To elaborate on the grade system, here are the corresponding ages for each grade: Kindergarten = 5-6 years old, 1st grade = 6-7, 2nd grade = 7-8, 3rd grade = 8-9, and so on to 12th grade (Senior year of High School)= 17-18.
There are exceptions for children held back or pushed ahead, and variations depending on state laws establishing cut-off dates for registration (children must be 5 years old as of a certain date to be eligible to start Kindergarten in a given year, but this may change from year to year.) 65.213.220.62 15:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)databoyecho@aol.com
Content moved from Infant school before I made it a redirect page here- if anything is worth salvaging (dubious!) please merge with the Primary School article quercus robur 14:55, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
What's grade school? -- Abdull 13:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
"Grade school" in the U.S. is usually synonymous with "Elementary school": Kindergarten plus the "Grades" 1 through 8. Grades 9-12 are considered "High School", but are referred to as Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior years. (The same terms are also used for four-year college programs, which are effectively Grades 13-16, though those terms are never used in the U.S.). Many children in the U.S. now also go through "Preschool" prior to Kindergarten - originally a sort of babysitting service, but now covering much of the material (alphabet, colors, counting, telling time) that was once covered in Kindergarten.
I came to this article because I was surprised that the disambiguation page for "K-8" did not point to Elementary School (K-8 is sometimes used synonymously with Elementary School in the U.S., meaning "Kindergarten through Eighth Grade".) It looks like there once was an Elementary School page but it's been edited out of existence and just redirects here, where any useful information about the term has also been edited out. I would edit it back in, but I don't feel like doing the necessary reference lining-up that will avoid getting it slapped down by an overeager junior editor. 172.161.87.24 11:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)databoyecho@aol.com
Are these really so important and ubiquitous that they need to be linked from here? Why not link blackboards, calculators and pencils too? Rojomoke 15:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Well guys, we need to find out, when number of years changed in usa and worldwide, i do know community colleges came in 1901, but was grade school always 8 or more, we are trying to get this straight and it is of importance.
Besides the overall shortness of the article, I noticed that it never touched on tax dollars paying for public schools. The blatant disobedience of the U.S. Constitution in modern American society today makes this subject a perfect example. The U.S. Constitution specifically states that no form or branch of government of the U.S. has any right to be involved in education. Being a Republican, I take a tall stand on this subject, as it is completely ignoring the Constitution. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.54.65.226 ( talk) 19:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
I know that this is a lot to take in but please try to keep up. America...is...not...the...only...country...in...the...world! Did you get that or was there too much to take in, try reading it again, see if that helps. -- Brideshead 19:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The topic of the article can serve as a reasonable marker for where it needs to go, and for many of the concerns voiced above: Primary education is the meta-level topic, while the component parts of primary education, i.e. elementary schools (US & Canada), primary schools (UK, Australia), etcetera, can - and should - each have their own articles. Rather than be facetious or belittling, let's refocus our energy on creating articles that are worthy of their topics. Oh, and one sign of worthiness is attributable-ness. This article, and any developed from it, should be attributable. - Freechild 20:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the definition of grammar school for the secondary school. It makes no sense to include it. I'm sure the article for grammar school already includes this. This is the elementary school article which should only reflect the elementary part.
I understand that elementary schools are not as common in other countries which primary schools are preferred which I left in the article. I just don't like it when it says elementary school or primary school in the introduction. We should only be talking about elementary school since that's the article. And then later in the article we should say exceptions to the elementary school.
The division between elementary and high school is somewhat arbitrary...that just means the same as the transition...i don't understand why that was changed if it means the same.
Any comments about my change would be greatly appreciated. ( MrsMacMan 17:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC))
This is a fine example of how systematic bias creeps into the Wiki. Specifically, the term introduces a perspective bias. Some serious thought should be given to overcoming this, perhaps by merging this article into primary school - the more wide-spread term; or finding a neutral term. Banno 08:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Of course grammar school has two different definitions...In America we have a dictionary, do you think it just has US-centric? no..it provides definitions for all over...that's what a dictionary is. so in our dictionary grammar school means elementary school and a private secondary school...
In Japan they have elementary schools...of course they will call it differently because they have a different language than America. How do you say dog in Japanese? A dog in Japanese is the exact same meaning as in America. You can't say that they will be different. So it's like elementary school. The meaning in Japan would be the same as in America.
It all makes sense. ( MrsMacMan 13:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC))
The move was clearly not uncontroversial, and was made arbitrarily. I have returned the article to its original title (per WP:MOS), and move protected it to allow this to be discussed. Please do so here. Neil ╦ 16:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
[1]. I can't seem to access the newly created Primary School article now. Presumably it will still be stored somewhere on the servers and will reappear once the redirects have been removed. It was only quite short and could be redone if necessary. Primary school seems to have a different meaning in the US. I think we really need the two separate pages to make sure that both terms are properly explained. However, just to complicate matters for you Mrs Mac has just created a new article for Elementary school! I hope you can sort out the mess! Dahliarose 17:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
That is so unfair! This article is completely not neutral. Why does the US and other countries have to accommodate for the United Kingdom? UK wants everything their way. They hate America that's why they have a completely different term. ( MrsMacMan 17:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC))
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Okay - I'm happy with the suggestion that the two articles should be separate, but I would argue that the bulk of the content on this page would belong on the primary ed article with mostly new info for primary school. Just needs someone to write them, I guess? Tafkam 21:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
It would appear that there is insufficient difference between primary school and elementary school to justify having two articles. As it stands, the articles reproduce much of the same material. I am going to revert elementary school to a re-direct. I would ask that that page not be edited again until there is a consensus. Doing so may result in that page begin protected. My reasons for this action are as follows:
Banno 22:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC) If a consensus is reached that Elementary school should remain a redirect, it will be necessary to do an article merge. Please contact me on my talk page if you need further support. Banno 22:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The google search tests cited by Banno comparing "primary school" and "elementary school" do not use the criteria specified in the Wikipedia:Naming conflicts article, which says to ... "compare alternatives surrounded by quotation marks." Using the quotation marks makes the google search look for an exact phrase rather than pages that merely contain all of the words in the phrase. Banno did not search for the exact phrase which, as I found in my re-test, makes a big difference in the results.
As a re-test, I did 4 google searches, all configured to search English only articles. Additional criteria are listed in each bullet item:
These two searches do not follow the guidelines set forth in the Wikipedia:Naming conflicts article:
These two searches do use the guidelines set forth in the Naming conflict article:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but according to my understanding of the Naming conflicts guideline, and the google search tests I conducted, the term "elementary school" seems to be used considerably more often than the term "primary school." Best, Rosmoran 23:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The source I used for the guidelines for the test is:
- The Google test. Using Google's advanced search option, search for each conflicting name and confine the results to pages written in English; also exclude the word "Wikipedia" (as we want to see what other people are using, not our own usage). Note which is the most commonly used term.
from Wikipedia:Naming conflict#identification of common names using external references, which does not specify quotes. But I accept Rosmoran's point, since it seems to me that searching for the exact text is reasonable in this case. Banno 01:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Dahliarose, I can't see that you have demonstrated the case for three articles. There are, you say, apparently at least two quite distinct meanings for both elementary school and grammar school; should we then have articles for elementary school (English) and elementary school (US)? Then what of elementary schools elsewhere in the English speaking world? Unless there is sufficient difference to give us three articles that are any more than stubs, it would seem to me that the best approach will be to have as few articles as possible to start, and leave open the possibility of splitting if the article becomes too long - but they are a good distance from this as is! It is a much simpler thing to split an article than to merge them, and it is better to have one decent article than three repetitive stubs. Banno 01:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
My recommendation - and it is only a recommendation - would be to write one decent article, with a clear explanation of the differences in terminology up front, and once this article is stable, if you think it too long, look at the possibility of splitting it and creating a disambiguation page. Banno 01:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I've now updated this page so that it focuses specifically on primary education. I hope that people from other countries will be able to expand the article and fill in the various country sections. I've also created new pages for Elementary school and Primary school. Now that Mrs MacMan aka User:Lanna9013 has been identified as a Sockpuppet and has been blocked from editing, it has been possible to remove the duplicated content from the elementary school page which was previously only there to stop her constantly reverting and redirecting everything. I hope I've demonstrated that there is a clear need for an article on elementary schools. I don't want to create separate articles for US and UK elementary schools at present but if the content does get expanded further then this could be a possibility. I agree that we don't want a forest of stubs. I've incorporated Rosmoran's helpful explanations of the American system in the Primary school article. The article is really only a stub at the moment but I think it is important to have the differing meanings clearly defined on a separate page. The article could potentially be expanded with international equivalents along the lines of the existing Secondary school article. If we had these articles in place before Mrs MacMan came along we wouldn't have had all this mess to sort out as there would have been no dispute over the various meanings. Dahliarose 14:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
All the redirects for this article and the other associated articles are now in order. Elementary education currently redirects to primary education. I wondered it might be better to redirect it to Elementary school instead? Do Americans tend to use elementary school as a synonym for elementary education? Dahliarose 11:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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It would be interesting to have maps showing 1.) where primary education is compulsory, and 2.) where primary eduction is available for free from the government. -- Beland ( talk) 17:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
"In most countries, it is compulsory for children to receive primary education, though in many jurisdictions it is permissible for Teehee" - I'd fix it myself but I can't find a version before that - looks like it's been there a while. Jonathan Hall ( talk) 01:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there enough information here and in Primary school that it can stand alone, or can they be merged? Caduon ( talk) 07:37, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
The lists of the ages of students in each grade for each country seems to take up a lot of room relative to their usefulness, IMHO. Can they be replaced by age ranges, (say start to end of education), and let the readers fill in the middle?
It seems like there should be plenty more to say about this topic; I'll try to find a wikiproject to help, and give it an appropriate expert tag.
-- Caduon ( talk) 07:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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There is need to focus on education- not the organisations that provide it. I have started, and placed some of the material in a Primary education/sandbox while we work on it. -- ClemRutter ( talk) 00:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Expect to see philosophy, child development, developmental psychology, sociology.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 00:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I came to this article (and had NO trouble finding it because it's named well -- thank you for all your work on that) to find out what the history of primary education was.
The history section has only two paragraphs: First, once upon a time (when?) there were agrarian societies that did not have formal education. That sentence summarizes the first paragraph. A reasonable start.
But in the second paragraph it says that religions were somehow involved and that they did a bad/biased job of educating people. That's at least incomplete. It's possible that it's true for some religion at some time but certainly not UNIVERSALLY true. And it doesn't say which religion or when or where. I think this is therefore biased.
And then it ends! WHAT? Wasn't there some sort of path from non-existence in agrarian societies to universal existence in the modern era? Didn't someone, somewhere invent the idea of getting all the kids in a room to teach them? Didn't someone somewhere make it universal for that society? I seem to recall this was a big step in the history of France but I'm not an educational expert nor an historian so I am hesitant to express my poorly informed views on the subject.
But surely some of you studied this? I challenge you to, at least, add two paragraphs that say when the first formal primary school was and when and where it was made universal.
Of course, we would also like this information in Europe, in Africa, in Asia and in various individual countries. But, at this point, a few sentences would go a long way.
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Despite the length of this article, many important sections and contents expected from any Wikipedia article are simply missing, such as:
This article is little more than an indiscriminate list of how old one has to be to go to which class in which country. Apparently everyone who noticed their country to be missing in the list felt the need to be "represented". Instead of giving an encyclopedic view of the topic, it is merely a collection of random very specific information. I have visited this page multiple times and it has gotten worse with time. Geeteshgadkari ( talk) 17:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
why "K12"? what does it stand for?
"kindergarten through twelfth grade"
The Elementary school section there seems a bit odd - I can't quite tell whether it's basically covering similar ground to the rest of the article, and should be integrated more smoothly; or whether it is something different but the distinction isn't clear enough. It looks to have been added from a stub somewhere, and subsequently ignored. I'd try and fix it, but not being American I genuinely don't know what it's talking about. I'm assuming the system described is that of the USA, although that is currently unclear. Anyone care to lend a hand? - IMSoP 00:02, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Please see my comments below in the Grade School section. To elaborate on the grade system, here are the corresponding ages for each grade: Kindergarten = 5-6 years old, 1st grade = 6-7, 2nd grade = 7-8, 3rd grade = 8-9, and so on to 12th grade (Senior year of High School)= 17-18.
There are exceptions for children held back or pushed ahead, and variations depending on state laws establishing cut-off dates for registration (children must be 5 years old as of a certain date to be eligible to start Kindergarten in a given year, but this may change from year to year.) 65.213.220.62 15:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)databoyecho@aol.com
Content moved from Infant school before I made it a redirect page here- if anything is worth salvaging (dubious!) please merge with the Primary School article quercus robur 14:55, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
What's grade school? -- Abdull 13:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
"Grade school" in the U.S. is usually synonymous with "Elementary school": Kindergarten plus the "Grades" 1 through 8. Grades 9-12 are considered "High School", but are referred to as Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior years. (The same terms are also used for four-year college programs, which are effectively Grades 13-16, though those terms are never used in the U.S.). Many children in the U.S. now also go through "Preschool" prior to Kindergarten - originally a sort of babysitting service, but now covering much of the material (alphabet, colors, counting, telling time) that was once covered in Kindergarten.
I came to this article because I was surprised that the disambiguation page for "K-8" did not point to Elementary School (K-8 is sometimes used synonymously with Elementary School in the U.S., meaning "Kindergarten through Eighth Grade".) It looks like there once was an Elementary School page but it's been edited out of existence and just redirects here, where any useful information about the term has also been edited out. I would edit it back in, but I don't feel like doing the necessary reference lining-up that will avoid getting it slapped down by an overeager junior editor. 172.161.87.24 11:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)databoyecho@aol.com
Are these really so important and ubiquitous that they need to be linked from here? Why not link blackboards, calculators and pencils too? Rojomoke 15:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Well guys, we need to find out, when number of years changed in usa and worldwide, i do know community colleges came in 1901, but was grade school always 8 or more, we are trying to get this straight and it is of importance.
Besides the overall shortness of the article, I noticed that it never touched on tax dollars paying for public schools. The blatant disobedience of the U.S. Constitution in modern American society today makes this subject a perfect example. The U.S. Constitution specifically states that no form or branch of government of the U.S. has any right to be involved in education. Being a Republican, I take a tall stand on this subject, as it is completely ignoring the Constitution. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.54.65.226 ( talk) 19:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
I know that this is a lot to take in but please try to keep up. America...is...not...the...only...country...in...the...world! Did you get that or was there too much to take in, try reading it again, see if that helps. -- Brideshead 19:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The topic of the article can serve as a reasonable marker for where it needs to go, and for many of the concerns voiced above: Primary education is the meta-level topic, while the component parts of primary education, i.e. elementary schools (US & Canada), primary schools (UK, Australia), etcetera, can - and should - each have their own articles. Rather than be facetious or belittling, let's refocus our energy on creating articles that are worthy of their topics. Oh, and one sign of worthiness is attributable-ness. This article, and any developed from it, should be attributable. - Freechild 20:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the definition of grammar school for the secondary school. It makes no sense to include it. I'm sure the article for grammar school already includes this. This is the elementary school article which should only reflect the elementary part.
I understand that elementary schools are not as common in other countries which primary schools are preferred which I left in the article. I just don't like it when it says elementary school or primary school in the introduction. We should only be talking about elementary school since that's the article. And then later in the article we should say exceptions to the elementary school.
The division between elementary and high school is somewhat arbitrary...that just means the same as the transition...i don't understand why that was changed if it means the same.
Any comments about my change would be greatly appreciated. ( MrsMacMan 17:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC))
This is a fine example of how systematic bias creeps into the Wiki. Specifically, the term introduces a perspective bias. Some serious thought should be given to overcoming this, perhaps by merging this article into primary school - the more wide-spread term; or finding a neutral term. Banno 08:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Of course grammar school has two different definitions...In America we have a dictionary, do you think it just has US-centric? no..it provides definitions for all over...that's what a dictionary is. so in our dictionary grammar school means elementary school and a private secondary school...
In Japan they have elementary schools...of course they will call it differently because they have a different language than America. How do you say dog in Japanese? A dog in Japanese is the exact same meaning as in America. You can't say that they will be different. So it's like elementary school. The meaning in Japan would be the same as in America.
It all makes sense. ( MrsMacMan 13:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC))
The move was clearly not uncontroversial, and was made arbitrarily. I have returned the article to its original title (per WP:MOS), and move protected it to allow this to be discussed. Please do so here. Neil ╦ 16:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
[1]. I can't seem to access the newly created Primary School article now. Presumably it will still be stored somewhere on the servers and will reappear once the redirects have been removed. It was only quite short and could be redone if necessary. Primary school seems to have a different meaning in the US. I think we really need the two separate pages to make sure that both terms are properly explained. However, just to complicate matters for you Mrs Mac has just created a new article for Elementary school! I hope you can sort out the mess! Dahliarose 17:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
That is so unfair! This article is completely not neutral. Why does the US and other countries have to accommodate for the United Kingdom? UK wants everything their way. They hate America that's why they have a completely different term. ( MrsMacMan 17:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC))
*'''Support'''
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Folk may also feel that a separate 'Primary school' entry need still be maintained, although I remain unconvinced about that myself at this stage. Any thoughts? Tafkam 21:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay - I'm happy with the suggestion that the two articles should be separate, but I would argue that the bulk of the content on this page would belong on the primary ed article with mostly new info for primary school. Just needs someone to write them, I guess? Tafkam 21:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
It would appear that there is insufficient difference between primary school and elementary school to justify having two articles. As it stands, the articles reproduce much of the same material. I am going to revert elementary school to a re-direct. I would ask that that page not be edited again until there is a consensus. Doing so may result in that page begin protected. My reasons for this action are as follows:
Banno 22:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC) If a consensus is reached that Elementary school should remain a redirect, it will be necessary to do an article merge. Please contact me on my talk page if you need further support. Banno 22:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The google search tests cited by Banno comparing "primary school" and "elementary school" do not use the criteria specified in the Wikipedia:Naming conflicts article, which says to ... "compare alternatives surrounded by quotation marks." Using the quotation marks makes the google search look for an exact phrase rather than pages that merely contain all of the words in the phrase. Banno did not search for the exact phrase which, as I found in my re-test, makes a big difference in the results.
As a re-test, I did 4 google searches, all configured to search English only articles. Additional criteria are listed in each bullet item:
These two searches do not follow the guidelines set forth in the Wikipedia:Naming conflicts article:
These two searches do use the guidelines set forth in the Naming conflict article:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but according to my understanding of the Naming conflicts guideline, and the google search tests I conducted, the term "elementary school" seems to be used considerably more often than the term "primary school." Best, Rosmoran 23:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The source I used for the guidelines for the test is:
- The Google test. Using Google's advanced search option, search for each conflicting name and confine the results to pages written in English; also exclude the word "Wikipedia" (as we want to see what other people are using, not our own usage). Note which is the most commonly used term.
from Wikipedia:Naming conflict#identification of common names using external references, which does not specify quotes. But I accept Rosmoran's point, since it seems to me that searching for the exact text is reasonable in this case. Banno 01:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Dahliarose, I can't see that you have demonstrated the case for three articles. There are, you say, apparently at least two quite distinct meanings for both elementary school and grammar school; should we then have articles for elementary school (English) and elementary school (US)? Then what of elementary schools elsewhere in the English speaking world? Unless there is sufficient difference to give us three articles that are any more than stubs, it would seem to me that the best approach will be to have as few articles as possible to start, and leave open the possibility of splitting if the article becomes too long - but they are a good distance from this as is! It is a much simpler thing to split an article than to merge them, and it is better to have one decent article than three repetitive stubs. Banno 01:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
My recommendation - and it is only a recommendation - would be to write one decent article, with a clear explanation of the differences in terminology up front, and once this article is stable, if you think it too long, look at the possibility of splitting it and creating a disambiguation page. Banno 01:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I've now updated this page so that it focuses specifically on primary education. I hope that people from other countries will be able to expand the article and fill in the various country sections. I've also created new pages for Elementary school and Primary school. Now that Mrs MacMan aka User:Lanna9013 has been identified as a Sockpuppet and has been blocked from editing, it has been possible to remove the duplicated content from the elementary school page which was previously only there to stop her constantly reverting and redirecting everything. I hope I've demonstrated that there is a clear need for an article on elementary schools. I don't want to create separate articles for US and UK elementary schools at present but if the content does get expanded further then this could be a possibility. I agree that we don't want a forest of stubs. I've incorporated Rosmoran's helpful explanations of the American system in the Primary school article. The article is really only a stub at the moment but I think it is important to have the differing meanings clearly defined on a separate page. The article could potentially be expanded with international equivalents along the lines of the existing Secondary school article. If we had these articles in place before Mrs MacMan came along we wouldn't have had all this mess to sort out as there would have been no dispute over the various meanings. Dahliarose 14:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
All the redirects for this article and the other associated articles are now in order. Elementary education currently redirects to primary education. I wondered it might be better to redirect it to Elementary school instead? Do Americans tend to use elementary school as a synonym for elementary education? Dahliarose 11:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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It would be interesting to have maps showing 1.) where primary education is compulsory, and 2.) where primary eduction is available for free from the government. -- Beland ( talk) 17:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
"In most countries, it is compulsory for children to receive primary education, though in many jurisdictions it is permissible for Teehee" - I'd fix it myself but I can't find a version before that - looks like it's been there a while. Jonathan Hall ( talk) 01:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there enough information here and in Primary school that it can stand alone, or can they be merged? Caduon ( talk) 07:37, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
The lists of the ages of students in each grade for each country seems to take up a lot of room relative to their usefulness, IMHO. Can they be replaced by age ranges, (say start to end of education), and let the readers fill in the middle?
It seems like there should be plenty more to say about this topic; I'll try to find a wikiproject to help, and give it an appropriate expert tag.
-- Caduon ( talk) 07:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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There is need to focus on education- not the organisations that provide it. I have started, and placed some of the material in a Primary education/sandbox while we work on it. -- ClemRutter ( talk) 00:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Expect to see philosophy, child development, developmental psychology, sociology.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 00:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I came to this article (and had NO trouble finding it because it's named well -- thank you for all your work on that) to find out what the history of primary education was.
The history section has only two paragraphs: First, once upon a time (when?) there were agrarian societies that did not have formal education. That sentence summarizes the first paragraph. A reasonable start.
But in the second paragraph it says that religions were somehow involved and that they did a bad/biased job of educating people. That's at least incomplete. It's possible that it's true for some religion at some time but certainly not UNIVERSALLY true. And it doesn't say which religion or when or where. I think this is therefore biased.
And then it ends! WHAT? Wasn't there some sort of path from non-existence in agrarian societies to universal existence in the modern era? Didn't someone, somewhere invent the idea of getting all the kids in a room to teach them? Didn't someone somewhere make it universal for that society? I seem to recall this was a big step in the history of France but I'm not an educational expert nor an historian so I am hesitant to express my poorly informed views on the subject.
But surely some of you studied this? I challenge you to, at least, add two paragraphs that say when the first formal primary school was and when and where it was made universal.
Of course, we would also like this information in Europe, in Africa, in Asia and in various individual countries. But, at this point, a few sentences would go a long way.
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